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Posted by: Piperdown
most peculiar, Jimbo, most peculiar.
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Born-again Wikivirgin Edit:
Sorry for the delay in responding, I've been busy elsewhere. Do you still need assistance at the Ebionites article? [[User:Jayjg|Jayjg ]]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">[[User_talk:Jayjg|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 03:12, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The busy elsewhere part:
Dec07
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# [WikiEN-l] Genies, Socks, grey areas, and Community 'norms' (was Newbies who don't act like newbies) jayjg
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# [WikiEN-l] Durova/!! matter now in newspaper. jayjg
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# [WikiEN-l] Genies, Socks, grey areas, and Community 'norms' (was Newbies who don't act like newbies) jayjg
# [WikiEN-l] banned vandalism reverting jayjg
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# [WikiEN-l] What the Sooper Seekret message tells us jayjg
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Posted by: LamontStormstar
Jayjg's comeback edits indicate that he pre-wrote them, saved them as text, and then submitted them all at once.
Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey
That's a hell of a lot of was-formerly-constipated personal expression backup to release at one time to the planet earth.
Wow.
Posted by: Saltimbanco
It doesn't look like there is much to his encyclopedia edits; I would even go so far as to say that they are not POV-pushing. The few I looked at are mostly correcting links.
Still, having removed the "wikibreak" tag from his talk page, it may be that the arch-propagandist is back. I had taken his departure as a sign that his handlers had decided that no one took Wikipedia seriously anymore, so there was no further need to manipulate it. It may be that Jayjg's "return" is only to serve the purpose of laying out some data according to which that interpretation might be denied.
I'd kind of like to see Jayjg back at it full time, partly because his interference with Wikipedia has been mostly defensive in nature, and as long as he's occupied with it he won't be doing even more wicked things. And partly because I'm pretty sure that it makes him miserable! 
Posted by: jorge
Still, having removed the "wikibreak" tag from his talk page, it may be that the arch-propagandist is back. I had taken his departure as a sign that his handlers had decided that no one took Wikipedia seriously anymore..
The http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite%3Fcid%3D1196847287501%26pagename%3DJPost%252FJPArticle%252FShowFull&cid=0&ei=XWpbR_jHHIncygTRu_lV....
Posted by: Somey
I meant to point this out, actually - thanks for reminding me, Jorge:
"We have faced editors"?
I don't see how they could have "faced editors" in any venue but Wikipedia itself... right? So who is "we," exactly?
I have nothing against people representing various governments editing WP as a general rule, but that's not to say it wouldn't be interesting to know who they are, and what exactly they're doing.
Posted by: Saltimbanco
The http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=T&ct=us/0-0&fd=R&url=http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite%3Fcid%3D1196847287501%26pagename%3DJPost%252FJPArticle%252FShowFull&cid=0&ei=XWpbR_jHHIncygTRu_lV....
Eh, public announcements are more about the publicity they generate than about anything real going on in the world. Probably this is a phony "Oh gosh we just realized people are getting information from Wikipedia and there is no control over it!" moment. Heck, the Israel promoters have made their way into http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Idiots-Guide-Middle-Conflict/dp/0028644107; it defies credulity to believe they've just discovered Wikipedia.
Posted by: guy
it defies credulity to believe they've just discovered Wikipedia.
Lots of things about Wikipedia defy credulity.
Posted by: tarantino
Jayjg continues his http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20071217031800&limit=66&contribs=user&target=Jayjg, perhaps as a distraction to pattern watchers.
13 December 2007 31 edits 03:12 to 03:14
14 December 2007 18 edits 03:15 to 03:16
17 December 2007 12 edits 03:17
Posted by: anthony
Jayjg continues his http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20071217031800&limit=66&contribs=user&target=Jayjg, perhaps as a distraction to pattern watchers.
13 December 2007 31 edits 03:12 to 03:14
14 December 2007 18 edits 03:15 to 03:16
17 December 2007 12 edits 03:17
Really weird stuff. I can't think of a rational explanation for it other than to mess with us.
Posted by: tarantino
Jayjg continues his http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20071217031800&limit=66&contribs=user&target=Jayjg, perhaps as a distraction to pattern watchers.
13 December 2007 31 edits 03:12 to 03:14
14 December 2007 18 edits 03:15 to 03:16
17 December 2007 12 edits 03:17
Really weird stuff. I can't think of a rational explanation for it other than to mess with us.
When good-naturedly questioned about his bot-like edits, Jjayg responds with a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G-Dett&diff=prev&oldid=178433203 from http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Roy_Batty, the leader of the Nexus Six androids in the Blade Runner screenplay.
"Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shores... burning with the fires of Orc."
I wonder if his account will expire after four years? So much could be read in to his choice of words, but I suspect he's just trying to appear deep and yes, mess with us.
Posted by: Moulton
It's standard psy-ops in a fantasy role-playing war game.
Which, evidently, is what WP has morphed into.
Posted by: Piperdown
When good-naturedly questioned about his bot-like edits, Jjayg responds with a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G-Dett&diff=prev&oldid=178433203 from http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Roy_Batty, the leader of the Nexus Six androids in the Blade Runner screenplay.
"Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shores... burning with the fires of Orc."
I wonder if his account will expire after four years? So much could be read in to his choice of words, but I suspect he's just trying to appear deep and yes, mess with us.
that's about right. Jajyg should, like Batty, have his account recalled. He ran amok and WP:PHILIPDICK policy calls for accountability.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
When Jayjg was gone, some of his allies got banned. Jayjg, despite all his power and influence over wikipedia and Jimbo, hasn't done a thing to get them unbanned.
One guy was this guy who was making all the middle-eastern articles biased like jayjg wanted them.
The other was always attacking jayjg's enemies.
Both had weird middle-eastern usernames I can't remember at all.
Posted by: Moulton
Noah's offspring never did get along, did they?
Posted by: jorge
It suggests he has has a sockpuppet account and fears that comparison of edits with that account will reveal it as his sock, thus he taking these defensive measures in pre writing edits copying them into notepad and then posting them on WP en mass.
Posted by: dogbiscuit
It suggests he has has a sockpuppet account and fears that comparison of edits with that account will reveal it as his sock, thus he taking these defensive measures in pre writing edits copying them into notepad and then posting them on WP en mass.
Didn't realise jorge was an anagram of Durova...
Posted by: Derktar
It suggests he has has a sockpuppet account and fears that comparison of edits with that account will reveal it as his sock, thus he taking these defensive measures in pre writing edits copying them into notepad and then posting them on WP en mass.
Didn't realise jorge was an anagram of Durova...
Well could you think of any other reason why someone would make 31 edits within two minutes? I certainly can't.
Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey
I meant to point this out, actually - thanks for reminding me, Jorge:
"We have faced editors"?
I don't see how they could have "faced editors" in any venue but Wikipedia itself... right? So who is "we," exactly?
What is it to "face" but to challenge. Does this indicate the cabal orientation towards ultra-pro-Israel stance?
Curious.
(ps. Before I get accused of being anti-Israel, I am not that. I'm Israel pro-to-neutral. But I am anti-anyone-WP:POINT-ing via WP:BULLYing - for anything, Israel or not).
Posted by: jorge
I'm http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article693911.ece for something that has open editing to be neutral on Palestinian and Israeli issues. As an example of the ridiculous paranoia that some of the Israeli POV pushers have, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Palestinian_children_in_the_West_Bank were censored from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people because they were supposedly trying to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Palestinian_people/Archive_6#main_talk".
Posted by: dogbiscuit
It suggests he has has a sockpuppet account and fears that comparison of edits with that account will reveal it as his sock, thus he taking these defensive measures in pre writing edits copying them into notepad and then posting them on WP en mass.
Didn't realise jorge was an anagram of Durova...
Well could you think of any other reason why someone would make 31 edits within two minutes? I certainly can't.
(Sorry that was meant to be a smiley, I thought it sound logic).
What was in my mind was that, given the presumption of guilt, if this was done by someone that they disapproved of there would be new policy being spouted forth like no tomorrow.
Perhaps someone should try adding this to the WP:SOCK policy: automated edits are not allowed as they may be used to evade SOCK checking.
On a practical side, you cannot design an edit in the morning and know that the edit will be ok in the evening, and you cannot discuss edits with a bot.
Posted by: anthony
When Jayjg was gone, some of his allies got banned. Jayjg, despite all his power and influence over wikipedia and Jimbo, hasn't done a thing to get them unbanned.
One guy was this guy who was making all the middle-eastern articles biased like jayjg wanted them.
The other was always attacking jayjg's enemies.
Both had weird middle-eastern usernames I can't remember at all.
Jay was banned from editing for a certain period of time, either by arb com or by Jimbo. And he is now on some type of editing restriction, most likely something to do with the types of edits he can make within 24 hours of each other
I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.
EDIT: No more than one edit to any particular article in a 24-hour period would explain it.
Posted by: Herschelkrustofsky
When good-naturedly questioned about his bot-like edits, Jjayg responds with a http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:G-Dett&diff=prev&oldid=178433203 from http://bladerunner.wikia.com/wiki/Roy_Batty, the leader of the Nexus Six androids in the Blade Runner screenplay.
"Fiery the angels fell. Deep thunder rolled around their shores... burning with the fires of Orc."
I wonder if his account will expire after four years? So much could be read in to his choice of words, but I suspect he's just trying to appear deep and yes, mess with us.
that's about right. Jajyg should, like Batty, have his account recalled. He ran amok and WP:PHILIPDICK policy calls for accountability.
Posted by: Moulton
I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.
If that were true, it would make sense for him to queue up his edits and then release them as a batch when the diurnal timeclock expires.
Posted by: Heat
I'm fairly convinced of this. No direct evidence, but it makes a lot of sense.
If that were true, it would make sense for him to queue up his edits and then release them as a batch when the diurnal timeclock expires.
Forcing Jay to be a Jaybot makes it less likely he'll get involved in edit wars and perhaps a "cooling off" period between edit and implementation is designed to reduce the chance that he'll fly off the handle.
It doesn't look like he's been using CheckUser either. He's blocked two IPs as Alberuni socks but he wouldn't need check user to do this as he'd already know Aberuni's previous IPs.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?
Posted by: Heat
I don't know, but the fact that he is only editing in one spasm every 24 hours and is so careful not to do it twice in a 24 hour period that he's set his program to resume exactly 24 hours and 1 minute after his last edit is strongly indicative of a restriction. If he was just trying to limit himself - or for some reason had limited internet access - why not just set his program to edit at the same time every day rather than 24 hours + 1 minute after the last edit? It's reminiscent of the revert warrior who obeys the letter of 3RR by waiting exactly 24 hours and 1 minute before making the fourth revert.
It also looks like Jayjg has so little self-control that instead of doing what any normal person would do and just log on to wikipedia every day and a bit or so and edit for a few minutes he's set a program that allows him to, evidently, write his edits in advance throughout the day and then have them submitted all at once.
Posted by: Derktar
From Jayjg's talk page:
Re: the email
Hi Jayjg, This is why:
“ 3RR is not an entitlement, but an "electric fence â€
cheers, nat.utoronto 02:56, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Not sure how this ties in but I found in intriguing.
Posted by: Somey
I'm sure he's just doing it to screw with people's heads, but still... I'd like to see the code he's using! I thought about writing a program like that myself, once, to leave randomly-selected awards on randomly-selected Uncyclopedia user-talk pages. But then I figured, hey, stupid idea...
It could be the program isn't set to check for the actual time-of-day, but is actually using a timer object, which is a common feature of most programming IDE's these days. If the timer is set to go off exactly 24 hours after the previous run, and the previous run lasted a minute, then voila, 24 hours and one minute.
If he's stressed out from all the wikidrama he's helped create, that's actually a perfectly reasonable explanation. Maybe he's doing this under doctor's orders...?
Of course, if we think longer-term, remember that software development generally occurs in phases. If Phase 1 is the relatively simple hybridization of automated vandal-bot code with a local database that allows him to set up batch edits in advance, what's Phase 2? Something tells me it isn't a feature that leaves randomly-selected awards on randomly-selected user-talk pages.
Posted by: gomi
Someone should report him as an unregistered bot and see what happens!
Posted by: anthony
So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?
Is that a serious question? Wikipedia Review has an entire forum filled with things he's done. He's been involved in long protracted edit wars on various pages for a long time now, for one. About the only thing he does on Wikipedia is push his point of view. Even if you just take his publicly known actions, he's still been involved in plenty of things that deserve restriction. And I'm sure there's a lot more once you know the private details. He's "caused a huge amount of unnecessary drama", as certain people would say.
A restriction to no more than one edit to any particular article in a 24-hour period would explain his current editing. It's either that or he's just doing this to mess with us. The latter, I think, gives him way too much credit.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
I don't know, but the fact that he is only editing in one spasm every 24 hours and is so careful not to do it twice in a 24 hour period that he's set his program to resume exactly 24 hours and 1 minute after his last edit is strongly indicative of a restriction. If he was just trying to limit himself - or for some reason had limited internet access - why not just set his program to edit at the same time every day rather than 24 hours + 1 minute after the last edit? It's reminiscent of the revert warrior who obeys the letter of 3RR by waiting exactly 24 hours and 1 minute before making the fourth revert.
It also looks like Jayjg has so little self-control that instead of doing what any normal person would do and just log on to wikipedia every day and a bit or so and edit for a few minutes he's set a program that allows him to, evidently, write his edits in advance throughout the day and then have them submitted all at once.
Maybe because he's socking under different ISPs and he prefers a different ISP better than the one he used for the Jayjg account. So he's socking on another ISP and that's what he watchlists and checks and all. Then once a day he jumps to the Jayjg account to do all his edits at once under the same Jayjg IP range.
So what would JayJG have done that could have gotten him restricted by ArbCom/Jimbo?
Is that a serious question? Wikipedia Review has an entire forum filled with things he's done.
ArbCom normally supports these actions rather than opposes them or at the very least doesn't care.
Posted by: Somey
Okay, so http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-December/087744.html
From: jayjg (address redacted, FWIW)
Someone has conveniently deleted all the criticism from the lead, in violation of [[WP:LEAD]].
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Messianic_Judaism&diff=175803950&oldid=175525305
I'm planning to go in tonight and do some re-adding and tagging. Will you be able to watch my back?
So, what's the deal here? Does he have a live streaming webcam focused on his back while he's editing WP? And why would he want to ensure that people were watching it? I hope he wears a shirt while this is going on...
I don't blame him for wanting to ensure that the Messianic_Judaism article remains in a pristine state, but this e-mail didn't have a salutation on it. Is it possible it was sent to more than one person, perhaps on yet another sooper-sekrit list?
Well, that's just great. If it turns out there really is a sooper-sekrit mailing list devoted to maintaining the preferred state of Judaism-related articles on WP, how soon do you think we'll hear the end of that? I'm thinking sometime in the 27th century, but only if we're really, really lucky.
Oh well...http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2007-December/087751.html
(Also discussed here)
Posted by: BobbyBombastic
I think it was meant to go to one person
If I were to post a similar message here or to a list I would say "can someone watch my back?"
Here's a link to Kelly's blog about this:
http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/12/oops.html
Posted by: jorge
I think it was meant to go to one person
If I were to post a similar message here or to a list I would say "can someone watch my back?"
Here's a link to Kelly's blog about this:
http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/2007/12/oops.html
I assume when Kelly says Judaism, she also means Israel-Palestine issues and anyone who dares support the Palestinians.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAmaliq&diff=179261187&oldid=179227183
== Be wary ==
As you appear to have crossed paths with the user who goes by names including "tewfiq'. 'ironduke' and 'jajg', you are probably going to get banned from wikipedia soon. It's this users practice to ban any user who doesn't tow the straight neo-con/likud line by claiming that there's only one non-Zionist in the wikipedia-verse called' alberuni'.
You'll soon be accused so be ready. [[Special:Contributions/68.218.6.96|68.218.6.96]] ([[User talk:68.218.6.96|talk]]) 23:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC) (Syrian-American user anonymous by choice to avoid flame/racial attacks from tewfiq/jajg/ironduke/misc sockpuppets)
:: As an example, Mr. Amaliq, note only that Jayjg/Tewfiq/IronDuke removed the previous comment from your page! So, do, please, be careful! "rafiq shami" [[Special:Contributions/68.218.6.96|68.218.6.96]] ([[User talk:68.218.6.96|talk]]) 01:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Could Jayjg be Ironduke or this tewfiq fellow? I don't know if the guy spelled tewfiq right or not as a he spelled jayjg wrong.
Posted by: jorge
Could Jayjg be Ironduke or this tewfiq fellow? I don't know if the guy spelled tewfiq right or not as a he spelled jayjg wrong.
Well, I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/IronDuke disappeared at the same time as Jayjg back in July, not sure about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tewfik though. But they are both certainly doing their best to "http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847287501&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull" as the Israeli Foreign Ministry puts it.
Posted by: Piperdown
Ironduke
Join Date: 08-02-2003
Total Posts: 5,455 (3.41 posts per day)
Date of Birth:
July 6, 1983
Age:
24
Biography:
I attend the University of Minnesota. I'm a political science major with an emphasis on foreign & defense policy.
Location:
Minneapolis
Interests:
Geopolitical Issues, US Foreign Policy, Military/Defense Developments. I also enjoy bicycling, weightlifting, and beer.
Home Country:
United States
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/members/ironduke.html
and a Minnesota U. coincidence
http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/tewfik/
Posted by: LamontStormstar
I've hear rumors Al'i (or some spelling like it) is Jayjg.
It's also possible these aren't Jayjg, but people recruited by the Hasbara fellowships.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
Anyone seen Borat where he explains why he won't get on a plane?
Posted by: guy
More generally, "X thinks?Ǫhowever?Ǫ" is polemic, where encyclopedia articles should be didactic. Such back-and-forth "howevers" along with the feeble verb "consider", plague Wikipedia.
It's an inevitable consequence of NPOV as currently formulated.
There is a group of Messianic Jews knowns as Jews for Jesus who celebrate traditional Jewish holidays such as Rosh Hashanah and Passover, but who have adapted their services to recognize Jesus as the Messiah. It's something of a hybrid or crossover religion, but it marginally closer to Judaism in terms of traditions than Christianity.
"Christianity: the religion based on the teachings of Christ" (Chambers' Dictionary). I know the Jews for Jesus movement well and have attended some services; it indeed follows the teachings of Christ (fine; I'm scarcely going to object). If they say part of their services in Hebrew, that doesn't make them less Christian.
Posted by: Proabivouac
More generally, "X thinks…however…" is polemic, where encyclopedia articles should be didactic. Such back-and-forth "howevers" along with the feeble verb "consider", plague Wikipedia.
It's an inevitable consequence of NPOV as currently formulated.
Or the lack of conceptual and writing guidelines which are taken just as seriously.
What is missing is a WP:IS "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia." People say that without having any idea what that means.
Opinions about something have to play a very significant role in its history to be worth mentioning. Creating sections for criticism and apology, or interleaving them throughout, may well be neutral, but isn't encyclopedic. It's also much harder to achieve what people can agree is neutrality than it is if one sticks to the most central and indisputable facts, and resist the urge to add superfluous commentary in favor of allowing these facts to speak for themselves.
Compounding this tendency is also this myth that if something is sourced, it should not or even cannot be removed. For any prominent subject, one can source a wide variety of opinions, the vast majority of which address value judgments which are better left to the reader.
Posted by: Moulton
Well said.