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[Ottava]

Perhaps I was just naive and just being used by a guy who wanted power. Is that what you are trying to say?

Yes, that is it. You've summed it up very well. Thank you.

I hope that is sarcasm because I don't believe you were using me. I believe you were my friend.


I fought with Pathoschild in chat about Poetlister and he said he didn't get the email until a few weeks after we discussed it in chat and when he did it matched up with the time he was on vacation. I can believe most of his story about it and I don't feel that he didn't ignore the original. I still don't know your full place on it, or why both of you let him run instead of just blocking him.

It is all too confusing for me, and anything dealing with Poetlister is far too painful for me to think about.

[Abd]

How someone could do what he's done and have a clean [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AOttava+Rima block log] is astonishing. It indicates pull, strings behind the seems, which is what Ottava constantly claims.

You know wikimarkup doesn't actually work on web forums, right?

You're behind the times anyway.

Aw, SBJ, so I do a bunch of links here correctly, then do two wrong. I hope you are doing as well when you get to be my age.

As to behind the times, I don't think that had happened yet when I wrote, but I haven't checked the time.

It's weird, though, typical of Wikidrama. Ottava does about everything possible to get blocked except for flooding the place with bot vandalism, and nothing happens. Then he rubs WizardOfOz the wrong way and gets an "infinite block."

It is enough to destroy one's faith in the Justice of the Wiki Way.

What? Really?

Never mind!

[SB_Johnny]

You know wikimarkup doesn't actually work on web forums, right?

You're behind the times anyway.

Aw, SBJ, so I do a bunch of links here correctly, then do two wrong. I hope you are doing as well when you get to be my age.

Well, you could always just use the handy preview button, but then you'd run into the tl;dr problem.

[Ottava]

Gotta love how M7, a friend of DJSasso's from Simple.Wikipedia as pointed out to me by various IRCers last night, proposed to reduce my block to a month and prevent me from working the confirmation.

How convenient. A guy with a pristine block log with far more edits than most people in the converstion is blocked for a fake claim of personal attacks in a community that doesn't hand out blocks as it is supposed to be a place welcoming all.

Not 24 hour block, but straight to indef and one month. Isn't that cute? I love revenge blocks quickly backed up by friends.



This is a good reason why those from tiny groups shouldn't be allowed to be Stewards. Such behavior is clearly reprehensible.

[SB_Johnny]

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Ottava, aren't you starting to wonder why none of your "friends" haven't unblocked you yet, or at the very least left a note on your meta talk about your block?

Much as you might want it to be, the "Miss Incongeniality" award from WR isn't going to impress the young 'uns.

Several years ago, my wife did a long-weekend retreat at a catholic monastery and got a lot out of her time spent chilling with the nuns. You might want to consider something like that (hint: works better if you are honest with the abbot about what you need guidance about).

[Milton Roe]

Several years ago, my wife did a long-weekend retreat at a catholic monastery and got a lot out of her time spent chilling with the nuns. You might want to consider something like that (hint: works better if you are honest with the abbot about what you need guidance about).

Chilling.... with... the nuns.....

Now that's something I never thought of doing, I'll admit. I'll put this on my Bucket List, right behind visiting the South Pole. Should I make it to age 135, I might well get to it.

What do they say? Catty remarks about the RC patriarchy, one supposes?

[SB_Johnny]

What do they say? Catty remarks about the RC patriarchy, one supposes?

I didn't ask for details, but from the reports I got these nuns weren't taking orders from the pope. Our daughter was conceived shortly thereafter.

[Ottava]

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Ottava, aren't you starting to wonder why none of your "friends" haven't unblocked you yet, or at the very least left a note on your meta talk about your block?

As I said in IRC before I had to head out to drive back home - many people are hesitant to do it so early in the election because they expect retribution. They want enough positive supports to come in so last minute opposes don't affect their outcomes.

[SB_Johnny]

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Ottava, aren't you starting to wonder why none of your "friends" haven't unblocked you yet, or at the very least left a note on your meta talk about your block?

As I said in IRC before I had to head out to drive back home - many people are hesitant to do it so early in the election because they expect retribution. They want enough positive supports to come in so last minute opposes don't affect their outcomes.

Ah, ok. Good friends, when it's not inconvenient. Low standards mean less disappointment?

[Abd]

Gotta love how M7, a friend of DJSasso's from Simple.Wikipedia as pointed out to me by various IRCers last night, proposed to reduce my block to a month and prevent me from working the confirmation.

How convenient. A guy with a pristine block log with far more edits than most people in the converstion is blocked for a fake claim of personal attacks in a community that doesn't hand out blocks as it is supposed to be a place welcoming all.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. WMC, I'm sure, was shocked the first time he was blocked after being desysopped. I now see that my 2-hour block of Ottava, when he was my mentor, was an utterly intolerable insult to his sense of self. He was the Emperor, the "prime mover" of Wikiversity.

From the meta RfC on Ottava, he'd managed to be uncivil enough to get a dozen ordinary editors blocked, and he wasn't slowing down, he was accelerating.

Not 24 hour block, but straight to indef and one month. Isn't that cute? I love revenge blocks quickly backed up by friends.

Right. Improper. And you can yell "improper" all week long, but what will happen is that people will look at the record, and say, OMG, what took so long? That RfC is amazing.

Anyway, Ottava, you got it wrong. WOO didn't block you "indef," he blocked you infinite. M7 then started to talk to you about reducing it to a month. You blew him off. Ottava? A month (actually less than three weeks, probably)? With my perfect civility?

So he reblocked, setting the block at indef. That is actually a reduction, believe it or not. It's an implication that there is something that might be resolved, and he continued to suggest that if you revise your attitude, you might be unblcoked. Just not right now!

M7 was doing something fairly clever, I think. Tradition is to consult with the blocking admin before unblocking. WOO was in a bit of hot water, and had made a block-in-conflict, possibly. By resetting the block, M7 was telegraphing that a steward was involved, a highly trusted user, who was [i]not[/] involved. M7 isn't a pushover, easily intimidated. A FOO (Friend of Ottava) did vote No on M7 steward confirmation as a result. Like tossing a pebble at an elephant.

Ottava's goose is cooked. He made way too many enemies, accused too many people of all kinds of crimes, most of it fantasy, but it doesn't matter.

This is a good reason why those from tiny groups shouldn't be allowed to be Stewards. Such behavior is clearly reprehensible.

WOO was simply naive. He'd have been easy to influence with simple, civil discussion, I suspect. I was working on getting Guido unblocked when Guido basically attacked me for it, so I reversed my conclusion. The WMF might lose WOO over this, he may think that he was abused and not backed up. I saw some level of communication problem with him, he may be reading English with difficulty. Or he will learn and grow. WOO wasn't the problem.

[Ottava]

That RfC is amazing.

You mean the RfC that you fill with your rambles and everyone ignores?

[Abd]

Ottava, aren't you starting to wonder why none of your "friends" haven't unblocked you yet, or at the very least left a note on your meta talk about your block?

As I said in IRC before I had to head out to drive back home - many people are hesitant to do it so early in the election because they expect retribution. They want enough positive supports to come in so last minute opposes don't affect their outcomes.

Does Ottava really believe this? Is this what they are telling him? (If so, they are fair-weather "friends," for sure.)

Ottava has claimed that numerous stewards were going to save the day for him. They've never appeared. The stewards standing are all getting very high positives except one who will probably be removed, he wasn't active. That they would magically lose all that support because of one comment defending Ottava on his Talk page, or even an unblock, as long as it was remotely reasonable, that's crazy.

But, problem is, it wouldn't be remotely reasonable. See the meta RfC..

This post has been edited by Abd: Fri 11th February 2011, 1:28am

[Abd]

That RfC is amazing.

You mean the RfC that you fill with your rambles and everyone ignores?

mmm.... 21,451 words in the RfC. Abd's words: 4,281. Once again, Ottava lies.

[jayvdb]

Perhaps I was just naive and just being used by a guy who wanted power. Is that what you are trying to say?

Yes, that is it. You've summed it up very well. Thank you.

I hope that is sarcasm because I don't believe you were using me. I believe you were my friend.


I fought with Pathoschild in chat about Poetlister and he said he didn't get the email until a few weeks after we discussed it in chat and when he did it matched up with the time he was on vacation. I can believe most of his story about it and I don't feel that he didn't ignore the original. I still don't know your full place on it, or why both of you let him run instead of just blocking him.

It is all too confusing for me, and anything dealing with Poetlister is far too painful for me to think about.

My comment was laced with sarcasm, but not in the way you're thinking.

We were never friends. At best, accomplices in the free content movement. There are a few people in Wikimedia that I consider to be friends, but that friendship is developed over a long time, and grounded in respect.
If you "spread positive statements about [me]" for any other reason than that you believed your positive statements, you disgust me.

You protest way too much about Poetlister. Did he touch you?

Local consensus on Wikisource was that Poetlister was allowed on Wikisource. The English Wikisource checkusers were concerned about the emails he was sending, however we only had one report of this, by you, and you told me to keep you out of the public face of it. Had I taken the matter publicly to the Wikisource community, seeking a community ban due to Poetlister sending problematic emails, I had no way of knowing whether or not Poetlister would be able to tie this to you. If he had sent only one problematic email, to you, he would have known it was you who had informed the English Wikisource checkusers. You tied my hands.

[Ottava]

If you "spread positive statements about [me]" for any other reason than that you believed your positive statements, you disgust me.

Disgust you?

You came to me out of concern about various ethnic groups canvassing against you. You asked me to spread the word and help you out.


But yes, it is nice to see the real you. I think WR has seen this before - Cool Hand Luke, SirFozzie, etc. Pretending to be one kind of person to manipulate others.



That is really unhealthy for any community.

You protest way too much about Poetlister. Did he touch you?

Harassment is only physical?

I guess stalking laws and the rest are bs?



Somey, Jayvdb just made it clear that he feels only physical contact is capable of harming others. This is a guy who supposedly sits at the top of a community with a duty to protect other people from harmful actions.

Why is Jayvdb not booted for such comments like the other Arbs who started pushing such radical and nasty moves that show that they are incapable of fixing the problems inherent in Wikipedia?

Local consensus on Wikisource was that Poetlister was allowed on Wikisource.

Local consensus said that you are allowed to use multiple accounts to harass people through email while pretending to be different people?

I sure missed that one. But it seems obvious that you are just making up shit right now. Your statements above reveal that you aren't acting ethically, that you don't care about protecting others, and that you probably used Poetlister to manipulate him for some agenda.


When you were giving Poetlister adminshp on Wikisource, what kind of deal did you make with him? Since he is a sock master, how many of his socks did you get him to vote for you on Wikipedia?

This post has been edited by Ottava: Fri 11th February 2011, 3:04pm

[SB_Johnny]

That RfC is amazing.

You mean the RfC that you fill with your rambles and everyone ignores?

mmm.... 21,451 words in the RfC. Abd's words: 4,281. Once again, Ottava lies.

That makes 20% of the text there (out of a lot more than 5 people chipping in).

Are you trying to take the title from Ottava for "most accusations of lying"?

[Ottava]

That RfC is amazing.

You mean the RfC that you fill with your rambles and everyone ignores?

mmm.... 21,451 words in the RfC. Abd's words: 4,281. Once again, Ottava lies.

That makes 20% of the text there (out of a lot more than 5 people chipping in).

Are you trying to take the title from Ottava for "most accusations of lying"?

Abd is fibbing here as from after October 25th he is the only real dominant person there.

He resurrected a dead RfC and people ignored him, as I said.

[Lar]

I thought this thread was about Pathoschild?

I may be confused though... I was going by the thread title. Can we split off the Ottava vs. everybody else cage match part?

[SB_Johnny]

I thought this thread was about Pathoschild?

I may be confused though... I was going by the thread title. Can we split off the Ottava vs. everybody else cage match part?

Or just rename to "Ottava doesn't like Pathoschild", subtitle "which is probably good for Pathoschild", and see if there's anything not relevant to that.

[jayvdb]

If you "spread positive statements about [me]" for any other reason than that you believed your positive statements, you disgust me.

Disgust you?

You came to me out of concern about various ethnic groups canvassing against you. You asked me to spread the word and help you out.

I came to you? Bullshit. logs, or it didn't happen, mofo. There is the well publicised Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Possible ethnic block voting in ArbCom elections and you came to me privately regarding Sandy Georgia's public 'abstain' vote. I wrote a mini essay to you, which I said you may pass on to Sandy Georgia, in full or abridged. This ended up being public at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2008/Vote/Jayvdb#SandyGeorgia.27s_comment_on_sourcing.

Again, if you said or did anything for any other reason other than that you believed it was the right thing to do, you are the problem. Do what thou wilt.

You protest way too much about Poetlister. Did he touch you?

Harassment is only physical?

I guess stalking laws and the rest are bs?

Somey, Jayvdb just made it clear that he feels only physical contact is capable of harming others. This is a guy who supposedly sits at the top of a community with a duty to protect other people from harmful actions.

perhaps you have not heard of the phrase "he touched me". You act like he touched you, which is assault. In truth, he emailed you, never once suggesting anything sexual in nature to you; instead he pretended to be a real female person, and you knew he was lying from the outset. Why are you claiming to be violated? he has violated people, but you are not one of them, and you are callous to pretend you are one of them. Had you not tied my hands, he would likely have been banned from Wikisource in mid 2010; instead, he was banned from Wikisource in early 2011. Only to move on to Wikiversity, and unknown and untracked accounts elsewhere. Progress indeed.

This post has been edited by jayvdb: Sat 12th February 2011, 3:26am