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post Fri 24th February 2012, 11:58pm
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He made a bad tactical decision to go with a "Mea culpa lite," where he admitted only to being "overzealous on COI issues." Over the years he has perfected his passive-aggressive battlefield style, where he never gives a straight answer to any question, let alone admits to anything. And in the end, it has proved his undoing.

QUOTE(Ego Trippin' (Part Two) @ Fri 24th February 2012, 3:11pm) *

Lest it be overshadowed by the infighting here on WR.

The desysop has been passing for a few days now, but as of today so is the topic ban from new religious movements. And, astonishingly, the indefinite site-ban is only two votes away from passing. It probably wouldn't have gone this way for Will if he had admitted the impropriety of his actions the way Cirt did.

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post Sat 25th February 2012, 12:18am
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Fri 24th February 2012, 6:58pm) *

He made a bad tactical decision to go with a "Mea culpa lite," where he admitted only to being "overzealous on COI issues." Over the years he has perfected his passive-aggressive battlefield style, where he never gives a straight answer to any question, let alone admits to anything. And in the end, it has proved his undoing.


Is it better to be in a self-imposed box of shame or a bureaucratically-imposed one?

I honestly don't know the answer when it comes to Wikipedia. I guess we'll discover it together when we see whether Cirt or Will Beback comes out on top in a few years.
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Fri 24th February 2012, 11:58pm) *

He made a bad tactical decision to go with a "Mea culpa lite," where he admitted only to being "overzealous on COI issues." Over the years he has perfected his passive-aggressive battlefield style, where he never gives a straight answer to any question, let alone admits to anything. And in the end, it has proved his undoing.

Fastinating. I don't think I've read an arbcom case in years, but this one is pretty interesting. Talk page on the proposed decision is good and is in alignment with what you write.

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post Sat 25th February 2012, 8:10pm
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1.1 TimidGuy: site ban vacated 10 0 0 PASSING
1.2 TimidGuy: advised 10 0 0 PASSING
2.1 Will Beback: desysopped 8 0 1 PASSING
2.2 Will Beback: admonished 9 0 1 PASSING
2.3 Will Beback: new religious movements topic ban 8 0 1 PASSING


Of all these remedies so far, the most important is the last.
It removes Will Beback as a persistent POV-pusher and BLP guilt-by-loose-association editor.

Those actions persist much longer than his use of tools.

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post Sat 25th February 2012, 8:38pm
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Even more impressive is that "Will Beback: banned" is now at 7 votes, one vote away from passing.
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post Sat 25th February 2012, 8:45pm
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QUOTE(It's the blimp, Frank @ Sat 25th February 2012, 8:38pm) *
Even more impressive is that "Will Beback: banned" is now at 7 votes, one vote away from passing.
I bet you're going to have a little party Herschelkrustofsky, aren't you, .....

The Larouche cult (more) seems no better than Scientology in how they attempt to destroy their enemies in any way possible, I hope someone else picks up after him on that at least even if he's a dick in other ways. I didn't realise just how creepy an organisation it is and wish I had looked into it before unhappy.gif
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Funny thing is that sockpuppetry really does destroy forums, as in nobody wants to have a conversation with two accounts/one guy.

A lot of times around here I get the impression just like on Wikipedia I'll start a good conversation, then some dimwit charges in with a cavalcade of socks and makes it all about their pet issue.

Other examples around here include HK with his LaRouche stuff and the Overstock.com crew.

Moderators don't think it's a big deal if it's someone they like. Basically no integrity whatsoever. It's all just a power struggle, now Selina tipped the balance a little bit and they're screaming bloody murder.
I thought I should come out and say this again, as I previously said to Hersch in private, and earlier in this thread, one of the things really bothered me for the integrity of WR was finding out that Hersch posted from the Party office of the larouche organisation, Hersch has not denied this and we've always ignored his POV on that because the amount of time he is able to spend on moderation outweighed the negatives — But then I thought, well, if he's being paid for actually helping use WR as a propaganda tool.... that makes me feel a bit sick, as if any political organisation had a semi-official foothold in WR when its meant to be a neutral watchdog really unhappy.gif I think bringing the issue of his mass-sockpuppeting on Wikipedia is what really turned him against me, but I felt I had to ask if he was sockpuppeting here, he has vehemently denied it, but of course we have no way to know when its someone who's demonstrated expertise in it. unhappy.gif It just made me feel like WR had been "invaded" really. I never really looked into Larouche much before, but I have been reading up since finding out that Hersch was a heavy sockpuppeteer and the things I read troubled me a lot, it seems rather cultish in a way that reminds me of Scientology It just made me feel dirty that we are basically hosting subsections dedicated to "fair gaming" of "Suppressive Persons" who stand up against exactly the same attempts at whitewashing campaigns that Scientology has attempted on Wikipedia. unhappy.gif
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this is coming a few days after mentioning his "Grand Theft Socking" on Wikipedia and asking if he had any here too, and whom I commented, to just a couple of hours earlier, that he has occasionally posted from the offices of the Larouche Party, which he didn't comment on but seems like it really annoyed him being found out.
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washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/main.htm
theforbiddentruth.net/4138-anti-semitism-larouche-movement-summary-very-informative.html
adl.org/main_Extremism/Rense_Web_Site.htm "Rense has offered a platform to Lyndon LaRouche, an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist" (and that's from an actual jew site)
lyndonlarouche.org/quotes.htm
wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche_and_the_LaRouche_movement#Judaism_and_Zionism - may not like the content, but the sources there too look pretty reliable to me?
jewishdefense.org/larouche/larouche.htm
laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.HolocaustDenial
• stormfront.org/rpo/LHL-MYST.htm - defence on neo-nazi site...



Needed to be said in public so people know what they are dealing with... I never really looked hard into who they were really before either, I thought just another crazy american political group, and that if people like Will Beback who went around bullying everyone hated them they can't be all that bad but they are pretty damn creepy.

I didn't know for 6 years that Hersch actually worked for the larouche Party and had never told us til I did some digging. He didn't deny it, but it's the fact that he never told any of us, and worked himself into a position of trust here to further his agenda in the same way he manipulates people on Wikipedia - that is what sickens me.

This: It's kind of a shame, because in the light of reading more about the Larouche party's neo-nazi version of scientiology-like loveliness, it seems like it was all just another case of the occasional bad people fighting other bad people and evening things out, and now I am figuring this is going to be like open season for the Party's sockpuppets now who have also apparently been using WR as a platform for years without telling us.

I hope they let other rabid admins loose on organisations that employ POV-pushers armed with the P words really, because that's about all that works against those kind of people - and at least puts the crazies and manipulators somewhere useful, fighting each other instead of hurting everyone else.

I just feel like it hurts others' rights too when hydras are used to drown out free speech - I accept it, and I'm not going on any kind of war, this is the end of it - as I said, the nature of the internet is vulnerable in a way that trying to fight it is literally pointless - corporations and PR companies know this, and we are going to see more and more taking advantage of this, as well as governments, in the future, but that is my prediction — and I'm not happy about making it, that is the way things are going, and will go unless some organisation like the EFF or something comes up with a bright idea on how to stop that "industry" growing and growing ... But I am not sure if there is anything that can be done to stop it. Sites like Wikipedia Review, Anonymous, Wikileaks, any watchdog will not be able to fight the highest bidder in a few years as the technology improves, I am sure of it unhappy.gif

It may not be too bad now as it is mostly amateurs and "enthusiasts" (and illegal if caught in both the US and UK) for now though, and you're right that as long as there is enough scrutiny on what all of us say, and we keep a grain of salt rather than "good faith", we're probably ok, but yeah, it's for that same reason I was pretty uncomfortable with keeping it to myself too, I really had to get my concerns off my chest there.
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post Sat 25th February 2012, 8:53pm
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So which of the remaining monkeys has been lined up to deliver the Coup de Grâce?
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post Sat 25th February 2012, 9:14pm
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QUOTE(lilburne @ Sat 25th February 2012, 2:53pm) *

So which of the remaining monkeys has been lined up to deliver the Coup de Grâce?


The arbs who have yet to vote are

AGK
NYBrad
Elen
David Fuchs
Hersfold
Coren

Actually, I'm not sure about Coren and AGK since they're nowhere on that page. Coren is listed as an arbitrator pro tempore. On the other hand Risker is listed as "Inactive" but she voted in some the earlier proposals. AGK is not on the page either. So maybe it's the other four + Risker, who, I'm guessing is going to try and stay "inactive" for as long as possible.

It must suck to be the "pivotal voter". I betcha all of them are thinking of ways they could recuse this late in the game. The "equilbrium" now is to wait for another person to vote first, since at that point your vote doesn't matter and if it's ever thrown in your face in the future you can point that out.

So, barring a brave soul, I think we're gonna hafta wait for that next vote for awhile (and I expect there will be at least one more "Oppose" or "Abstain" (under some sketchy reason) before a "Support", if any, votes are cast.

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Risker and Ellen added their 2d on the principles today but didn't vote on the proposals.

AGK and Hersfold have already declared it to be too hot to handle, and headed off to the sauna.


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And I keep telling you: none of this will mean very much, unless the Arbcommers who voted to topic-ban
him are also willing to watch ALL of the LaRouche, COS, Erhard, TM etc. articles themselves, very carefully.

Will is like the other admins who try to control content, he has accumulated a mountain of sock accounts.
Especially for this particular reason.
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post Sat 25th February 2012, 9:44pm
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QUOTE(Selina @ Sat 25th February 2012, 2:45pm) *

I didn't know for 6 years that Hersch actually worked for the larouche Party and had never told us til I did some digging. He didn't deny it, but it's the fact that he never told any of us - that is what sickens me.

Odd. I seem to remember knowing about it even before I became a mod here in May 2008. Admittedly, this knowledge made me leery of HK at first, because I always thought LL was nuttier than a tree full of squirrels. Still do. However, HK has a proven track record as a mod here. I have seen no evidence whatever that he has allowed political considerations to affect his moderation here. Further, I find myself in agreement with him on moderation questions very, very often. So can we please retire this HK=Evil meme?

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Herschelkrustofsky , ever since I brought it up with you with the other mods you've been constantly attacking me, and when I started going after sockpuppets you just plain freaked out. Did you really think your attempts at smearing me for banning what seemed like a sockpuppet would intimidate me into silence? Yeah, I think I was wrong on that one, but when people like you deliberately go through such effort to manipulate people I know sometimes there is very little to go on.

Like I said to you before, whatever, I'm not going to even bother trying since Wikipedia can't stop you apparently either, but the public deserved to know who is running your pet subforum projects attacking people who dare challenge the larouche cult on Wikipedia... I doubt if you had not worked yourself into a position of trust here we would have them, because most people either don't care enough to read about it (like I did originally) or when they do actually read impartial sources about it, find out what a racist creep organisation it is...

It needed to be said, so people know though.

Cedric, I'm glad that he told you at least then, I knew he was a POV warrior on it, but he never once mentioned that he worked for them to me, or in group conversations... unhappy.gif
I'll stop, for the kitty.
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post Sat 25th February 2012, 11:07pm
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QUOTE(Selina @ Sat 25th February 2012, 4:54pm) *
the public deserved to know who is running your pet subforum projects attacking people who dare challenge the larouche cult on Wikipedia... I doubt if you had not worked yourself into a position of trust here we would have them, because most people either don't care enough to read about it (like I did originally) or when they do actually read impartial sources about it, find out what a racist creep organisation it is...


I joined WR knowing the Hersch was a LaRouche acolyte. It took about 5 seconds of searching to figure that out. More than that, he hardly has kept this a secret here and had rather consistently toed the LaRouche-party line. Good on him, I'd say. Points for non-hypocrisy and all that.

I've made it clear in many different places what kind of low-regard I have for LaRouche's ideas and platforms, but, in a testament to the integrity of this community and Hersch as well, I have received nary a finger-wag for my troubles. The hands-off moderation at this site ensures that WR really does welcome all-comers -- unlike the website that it ostensibly reviews. That Hersch is able to moderate and make useful contributions just shows that painting people with a broad brush of condemnation is not justifiable no matter how nutty their beliefs.

As far as the larger question of Wikipedia content, I've intimated this before but will come out and say it: in terms of the intelligence of ideas, Will Beback has more-or-less been on the right side of content in every conflict in which he's taken part. The Scientologists, LaRoucheans, or the Transcendental Meditators got burned because they all ended up in the same trap: trying to use Wikipedia as an advertising outlet for their cause. If they were smart, they wouldn't have done this because the free-for-all atmosphere and juvenile bureaucracy at Wikipedia more-or-less invites the kind of backlash brought upon their heads. In the wild world of anybody-can-edit, creating extensive content on your pet subject is liable to get you into trouble as people begin to dig up distasteful and defamatory material out of spite or simply out of trollish glee. Removing such material from Wikipedia when you've tried to include alternate material based on insular sourcing and down-the-rabbit-hole designs is almost impossible since the argument ultimately boils down to a he-said-she-said of referencing credulity. It's par for the course: expect that your new idea will be thrown through the ringer if you manage to get it included in Wikipedia at all.

If these groups were smart, they'd use their networks to work tirelessly to delete most of the articles on the subjects near-and-dear to their hearts, in the style of Daniel Brandt. I've observed however, that intelligence does not positively correlate with the membership of these groups.

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Radek:
I know who you are getting at there, and my point it is relevant, and it did needed to be said in this conversation, as Will Beback was the main one tracking Herschelkrustofsky/the Party's scientology-like efforts on Wikipedia, it's very much on topic.

Even when I first brought it up with the other mods a couple of weeks ago, before I even started checking for sockpuppets, Herschelkrustofsky/the Party blamed the tracking of his sockpuppets all on Will Beback personally as if he was some kind of victim whilst openly engaging in attempted manipulation - they seem both obsessed with watching each other as much equally. Hersch/the Party's main tactic seems very similar to Scientology in that they attempt to defame anyone criticising or attacking them, in the public eye in whatever way possible.

For years I was tricked us into thinking the larouche party was some kind of repressed underdog because known otherwise-corrupt admins like Will Beback in other ways fought them amongst their other POV battles - and I hope that serves as a lesson really to other administrators on Wikipedia that when you act in scummy ways to other people like Will Beback, and that nearly all that people hear about you is bad, then everyone is less inclined to believe anything you say even on the few occasions when you're actually doing something right. I feel like an idiot for not reading up more on the Party at the time now...

I am sickened that I actually defended the Party's representative on this stuff after having read the links I gave above, and I deliberately didn't do my research from Wikipedia - the only link there other than WP that is actually on WP also is the lyndonlarouchewatch.org one - those sites seem pretty reliable with 2 of those sites are actually jew sites themselves the ADL I've even heard of in the UK so yeah — but of course I know they are all part of the "British Jew Empire World War 3 conspiracy" against the Party, of course.

He may have not openly used staff powers corruptly on that account, but certainly steered the forum the way he wanted it to be - I doubt we'd have a forum for someone like Chip Berlet if he wasn't an enemy of the Party because most people either don't care about larouche or when reading it, like every mainstream source that writes about it, finds it a thoroughly unpleasant racist conspiracy theorist cult/Scientology-like organisation...

And yeah, that's enough, but I thought I should explain why I was posting it here in public as it needs to be a matter of historical record that I said this, and when someone operating this site is actively working for a political party it should have been openly said years ago. I knew he was a POV pusher yeah, but that's very different because there's plenty of amateur POV pushers and they're relatively harmless, so like many people couldn't give a crap about larouche until I read more on it recently.

Way before I started looking for sockpuppets, finding out about their sockpuppet web is what caused this whole thing, the other mods know I posted after I found just how insanely manipulatively creepy Herschelkrustofsky/the Party's sockpuppet web on Wikipedia was that I raised it with him in private as the other mods know — and seeing how large it was, and the ease he changes his IPs is what made me concerned that we might have similar problems here, since it seemed a bit like we put a Fox in charge of the chicken coop being allowed to approve new registrations like he did with "It's the blimp, Frank" — that's JUST like what happened with Michael Baxter/Poetguy)

If you genuinely didn't know why I was posting that here, I hope that helps, it was very much on the topic. I'll try not to cause an argument for the the sake of Cedric and kitties, but it needed to be public as Wikipedia Review is supposed to be an independent site, and Herschelkrustofsky knew that, and should have made it public instead of me having to find out 6 damn years later... If it hadn't been for the drama surrounding Will Beback I wouldn't have even known to look.
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[Mod note: Off-topic Selina vs. Hersch & LaRouche stuff split to the Politics forum. Rule of thumb: if it isn't about Wikipedia, it doesn't belong in this topic area.]
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QUOTE(radek @ Sat 25th February 2012, 4:14pm) *

The arbs who have yet to vote are

AGK
NYBrad
Elen
David Fuchs
Hersfold
Coren

Actually, I'm not sure about Coren and AGK since they're nowhere on that page. Coren is listed as an arbitrator pro tempore. On the other hand Risker is listed as "Inactive" but she voted in some the earlier proposals. AGK is not on the page either. So maybe it's the other four + Risker, who, I'm guessing is going to try and stay "inactive" for as long as possible.

It must suck to be the "pivotal voter". I betcha all of them are thinking of ways they could recuse this late in the game. The "equilbrium" now is to wait for another person to vote first, since at that point your vote doesn't matter and if it's ever thrown in your face in the future you can point that out.

So, barring a brave soul, I think we're gonna hafta wait for that next vote for awhile (and I expect there will be at least one more "Oppose" or "Abstain" (under some sketchy reason) before a "Support", if any, votes are cast.


According to this list, Risker and Coren are active on the case, while AGK and Hersfold are not. So now that David Fuchs has opposed the ban, that leaves Risker, NYB, Elen of the Roads, and apparently Coren as the arbitrators who can cast the decisive vote. However, Coren has made just one edit in the past month, so listing him as "active" might be an oversight. If they were to remove Coren from the active list (which makes sense if he's not going to participate), the majority would be 7 instead of 8, which means that Mailer Diablo's already-on-the-record vote to ban would be decisive.

QUOTE(Selina @ Sat 25th February 2012, 6:16pm) *

For years I was tricked us into thinking the larouche party was some kind of repressed underdog because known otherwise-corrupt admins like Will Beback in other ways fought them amongst their other POV battles - and I hope that serves as a lesson really to other administrators on Wikipedia that when you act in scummy ways to other people like Will Beback, and that nearly all that people hear about you is bad, then everyone is less inclined to believe anything you say even on the few occasions when you're actually doing something right. I feel like an idiot for not reading up more on the Party at the time now...


Well, I wouldn't say that the content of the LaRouche articles is dictated by HK and Nobs01, would you?

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I wasn't expecting the indef ban to pass, but it now has the required eight votes. It's still not quite passing yet, however, since John Vandenberg is making it his second choice. I won't opine on it until the case officially closes, which might be in about 24-hours from now.
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QUOTE(Cla68)
I wasn't expecting the indef ban to pass, but it now has the required eight votes. It's still not quite passing yet, however, since John Vandenberg is making it his second choice. I won't opine on it until the case officially closes, which might be in about 24-hours from now.


Challenge Will Beback to a 5k run! The winner remains at Wikipedia and the other gets banned permanently.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sat 25th February 2012, 7:39pm) *

I wasn't expecting the indef ban to pass, but it now has the required eight votes. It's still not quite passing yet, however, since John Vandenberg is making it his second choice. I won't opine on it until the case officially closes, which might be in about 24-hours from now.


It looks like it will pass on the basis of the moral outrage of the new crowd. Still, it amazes me how many are willing to say that Jimbo was the victim in their justifications!
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QUOTE(radek @ Sat 25th February 2012, 4:14pm) *
Coren is listed as an arbitrator pro tempore.
I get a little giggle every time the Arbs throw in a bit of courtroom Latin to make themselves seem more official. The WMF should provide powdered wigs, assuming that Jimmy has a friend in the wig-making biz.

QUOTE(iii @ Sat 25th February 2012, 7:48pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Sat 25th February 2012, 7:39pm) *

I wasn't expecting the indef ban to pass, but it now has the required eight votes. It's still not quite passing yet, however, since John Vandenberg is making it his second choice. I won't opine on it until the case officially closes, which might be in about 24-hours from now.

It looks like it will pass on the basis of the moral outrage of the new crowd. Still, it amazes me how many are willing to say that Jimbo was the victim in their justifications!

It's marked as passed in the motion to close.

Jimmy actually was a victim, but only because he's an easy mark for the cabalists.
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