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KamrynMatika |
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Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon. If it's only for the featured articles that we're keeping him around, I'll happily go and write some on architecture or whatever - if it means we get some peace and quiet from the endless histrionics that come from the Giano/Bishonen camp, it's definitely worth it. Does anyone remember what Giano got blocked for in the first place? Incivility I know, but what specifically was he bugging FT2 about before he called Until a stalker? Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet): QUOTE Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Finally. This post has been edited by KamrynMatika:
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QUOTE(Pumpkin Muffins @ Sat 19th April 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Sat 19th April 2008, 12:39pm) Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.
You got it exactly backwards. No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared.... Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb. This post has been edited by the fieryangel:
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Sat 19th April 2008, 12:28pm) Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon.
Wikipedia is one huge dramafest. But for once, here's drama that is actually important. Giano's battles generally flare up when he runs across incompetent morons who happen to be admins. Until 1=2 is a good example. That guy hasn't created any significant content in thousands of edits, if ever. He just hangs out on irc socializing, then he struts around on-wiki engaging in endless pompous opining, wherever the drama is. He recently started following Giano around and picking on him. Not a good move. Or FT2 - ask the guy a simple question and you get drenched in gallons of sewage. Then you ask the question again and he still fails to answer it. Then you ask a tough question and he gets snippy with you. His MO seems to be endless circumlocution and stream of conciseness bullshit obfuscation. But maybe that's generous, maybe he just can't think clearly. Any intelligent person who considers the meaning of words important would get fed up with him. I don't think Giano is a drama queen, I think his spirit is invested in the project, along with thousands of his hours creating content, and he just can't stand to watch the less endowed members of the leadership piddle all over the project.
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 19th April 2008, 1:19pm) QUOTE(Pumpkin Muffins @ Sat 19th April 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Sat 19th April 2008, 12:39pm) Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.
You got it exactly backwards. No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared.... Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb. Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it. Wikipedia has this incredible dichotomy; it's constructed of words, yet the leadership is never as good as their words. For example, the arbcom agreed to address #admins, then they completely flaked out, and now they are taking great umbrage when asked to account for it.
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QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Sat 19th April 2008, 7:39pm) Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.
Funny, I see Giano as the kid that, when hit, hits back. QUOTE(Pumpkin Muffins @ Sat 19th April 2008, 8:47pm) Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it.
That's exactly right.
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Sat 19th April 2008, 7:28pm) Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet): QUOTE Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Jaeger123 is as obvious a sockpuppet - using ArbCom's tough new standard of any new username or alternate account - as they come: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...23&month=&year=Immediately after creating this account, he jumps right into AfD’s, the help desk, AIV, requesting rollback, opposes an RfA and jumps onto ANI for that foul-mouthed screed. He's a liar: QUOTE(Jaeger123) "I created my account on the 11 April after a few days as editing as an ip…" http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205115659 This post has been edited by Proabivouac:
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QUOTE(Pumpkin Muffins @ Sat 19th April 2008, 8:47pm) QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Sat 19th April 2008, 1:19pm) QUOTE(Pumpkin Muffins @ Sat 19th April 2008, 8:10pm) QUOTE(KStreetSlave @ Sat 19th April 2008, 12:39pm) Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.
You got it exactly backwards. No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared.... Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb. Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it. Wikipedia has this incredible dichotomy; it's constructed of words, yet the leadership is never as good as their words. For example, the arbcom agreed to address #admins, then they completely flaked out, and now they are taking great umbrage when asked to account for it. Sorry, I misunderstood to what you were refering; that makes sense. However, the day Giano decides to take out Wikipedia is the day that it's all over for them. I think that he's probably got the evidence to do it too....
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Note that Gandhi did not kick the British out of India.
He predicted that, in the end, the British would leave India of their own accord.
And he was right.
But first he needed to help the British appreciate that their practices in India were ill-conceived, ill-advised, and counter-productive of their core cultural values.
I'm not sure I can accurately recite the core values of Wikipedia, but if it's to produce a reputable and responsible online encyclopedia that rises to normative standards of accuracy, excellence, and ethics in media, then I daresay the current practices of the site are demonstrably ill-conceived, ill-advised and counter-productive of that presumptive objective.
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Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately.
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A long diatribe from FT on his talk page here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2...hreads_togetherwhich is mostly a personal attack on Giano calculated to provoke the mercurial Italian into some witty comment that will be the end of his career (I predict it will be ended this week, if not today). One thing I’ve noticed, and perhaps this explains why Giano finds FT2’s comments so disturbing. The sociologist Stanley Cohen coined the term ‘moral panic’ to characterise a reaction by the established order based on the false or exaggerated perception that some person or group, frequently a minority, is 1. deviant 2. poses a menace to the established order 3. Must be punished. These 3 elements are in all of FT2’s anti-Giano speeches. Count how many times the expression ‘norm’ or ‘communal norm’ occurs in the speeches. 7 times in the last speech alone. This, and similar expressions, communicate that Giano is ‘deviant’ or outside the established norm. Then count how many times he says that Giano’s behaviour is harmful. E.g. “Incivility is not a "victimless" act†– a commonly used phrase used in connection with prostitution, sexual harassment, drug abuse &c. (He also links to the article ‘Victim Blaming’). Finally, count the open and veiled threats that he makes. No wonder Giano is feeling uncomfortable.
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QUOTE(KamrynMatika @ Sat 19th April 2008, 12:28pm) Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon. If it's only for the featured articles that we're keeping him around, I'll happily go and write some on architecture or whatever - if it means we get some peace and quiet from the endless histrionics that come from the Giano/Bishonen camp, it's definitely worth it. Does anyone remember what Giano got blocked for in the first place? Incivility I know, but what specifically was he bugging FT2 about before he called Until a stalker? Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet): QUOTE Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC) Finally. Until is not a stalker H is a fat stoned loser named Ryan Bushby who should be in jail doing 2 to 7 in British Columbia.
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Random832 has now edited out some of FT2’s words (on FT2’s talk page – can he do that?). He removes FT2’s gloss “Note the bad faith assumptions and attacks (emphasis added), especially in the context of the above <ul>prior</ul> explanation by the blocking admin. This is what's not okay†with the comment ("Others' views", not "FT2's views".) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207389665In fact the whole page is now one gigantic edit war with Random reverting back, Bishonen weighing in, 1=2 &c. Very good fun. QUOTE But that log quote wasn't my main point, the first three lines of my post were: "Holler", is it, FT2? That's what the regular user over whom you, as an arb, have so much power, is doing, according to you? You should be ashamed. You're out of control. You seem to have worn out any common human decency you started out with. Have you quite forgotten FloNight's warning that these are human beings you speak of? [[38] Please try to take that on board, it's seriously meant. Please take my reference to FloNight seriously, for instance. By doing that, I think you would interest people more than by your repetition of the untruth that "Bishonen never replies". BTW, my "most people simply don't have an eye for FT2's bullying" may be a bit harsh. Many people don't, indeed. But I think you may discover that most of them do. Bishonen | talk 15:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC).
If there is evidence of FT2 bullying anyone then you should present that evidence instead of just mentioning it. I have not seen such behavior and if there is evidence then it should be investigated. I take such possibilities very seriously. (1 == 2)Until 15:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Do you? Then—I know it's a mouthful and a half to ask—but, then, read through this page. Nearly all of it is by FT2. Test your eye. Bishonen | talk 15:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC).
Yes, I do that such possibilities very seriously. If the content of this page is your evidence, then I must say that your eye can see what mine cannot. I have been watching this page for some time now and I am glad that the content of this page does not seem to support the argument that FT2 is bullying anyone. (1 == 2)Until 16:09, 22 April 2008 (UTC) This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 22nd April 2008, 10:47pm) QUOTE(written by he who wrote it @ Sun 20th April 2008, 4:52pm) Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately. I think that's the first Paranoia reference I've seen here... awesome! Sadly, I see FT2 has decided to start renewed attacks on me on his talk page, his collections of half-truths and distortions grow ever greater. I'm reliably told his actions have the backing of the Arbcom, and are a deliberate ploy to provoke me into either leaving or giving them the ammunition to block me. God knows if it is true or not, but they certainly don't seem very keen to reign him in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=207471226. Even after I tried to start editing again, the Arbs had to keep needling away - there is a limit to the continuous haranguing, eventually, even I start to wonder what is the point? Giano
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