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Posted by: Tarc
This should be interesting.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia Review (3rd nomination) (T-H-L-K-D)
Nominated by User:Rabbit:Farmer:Gun:Run... (T-H-L-K-D), a user who created one article on "rabbit pie" June of last year, then a few edits today before nominating this article for deletion.
Any guesses on this sockpuppet's identity?
Posted by: Jaranda
I asked for a checkuser privately, it came up empty which was surprising as it's an obvious duck. I suspect a couple of candidates, tempted to do a speedy close on the debate as it's clearly in bad faith.
Posted by: Doc glasgow
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Wikipedia_Review_%283rd_nomination%29
I am tempted to vote "delete per Selina ~~~~"
Posted by: Eppur si muove
Relapsing already I see.
Posted by: thekohser
Once notable, always notable. Unless you're Carolyn Doran.
Posted by: Michaeldsuarez
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikipedia_Review&diff=prev&oldid=472199636
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikipedia_Review&diff=472252409&oldid=472235264
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FWikipedia_Review_%283rd_nomination%29&diff=472254436&oldid=472237402
lol.
Posted by: Tarc
Edison is pulling the same sort of retardation that Seren does at the ED article.
Posted by: carbuncle
Once notable, always notable. Unless you're Carolyn Doran.
Or Mimi Macpherson, the sister of model Elle Macpherson. Mimi is very reclusive and doesn't like attention, as you can see from her http://mimimacpherson.com.au/mimi-biography/. Not the same thing, but it bears mentioning because unlike Doran, Macpherson is well-known in some places.
Posted by: Shalom
Edison is pulling the same sort of retardation that Seren does at the ED article.
Now that is serious grave dancing. Woohoo WR's down. Let's delete the article!!!!
Posted by: Michaeldsuarez
Edison is pulling the same sort of retardation that Seren does at the ED article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Review&diff=472372909&oldid=472372555
Edison has gone full retard. A website can exist independently from a the domain name. Why is that so hard for them to understand?
Posted by: Michaeldsuarez
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_Review&curid=22140794&diff=472432331&oldid=472375858
Finally, some intelligence.
Posted by: Emperor
Finally, some intelligence.
Posted by: A Horse With No Name
Actually, it was an inappopriate non-administrative closure of the AfD. But, hey, who really cares? 
Posted by: EricBarbour
Look at Edison's earliest userpages. You'll see this.
At the same time, I wish to refute invalid claims that someone who tinkered with a device was the "true inventor" when their work did not verifiably influence the course of development of the device. Success has a thousand fathers. After someone developed the first usable and practical version of a device in the 19th century, it was common for competitors seeking to invalidate the patent to bring forth fraudulent claimants, complete with post-dated documents, lying witnesses, and prototypes supposedly decades old but in fact newly made. A thousand unreferenced books and websites validate a claim less than a public demonstration, a publication with details of the invention or discovery, or a patent application.
How interesting that this clown, who obviously should know better, fought to kill the WR article.
Then abruptly reverses course when Tarc posts actual references. I think he's another admin sock.
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WR_Reader". Hah. Yet another throwaway sock.
I'm beginning to suspect that on average, roughly 15% of the votes in AFDs, RFAs,
Arbcom candidacies, etc. are sock accounts. 15% seems to be the magic number in the
bizarro universe of Wikipedia. We see it again and again.
Posted by: Zoloft
Fixed the Wikipedia Review article. Silver Seren can't do everything.
Posted by: Selina
Lol yes.
Posted by: Somey
They actually bring up an interesting philosophical point or two in that discussion - in particular, this idea that "notability is not temporary," at least with respect to a website at least. I would almost have to argue that notability is temporary, even in an encyclopedic context. I mean, should they think of these things in terms of visibility and public perception in the moment, or from a more historical perspective?
I'm tempted to say the latter, but for Wikipedia, it's probably really hard to get their user community to think in those terms. They already have a significant bias towards internet-era (i.e., recent) content in general, which they call "recentism" - and it's understandable, because it's hard to gauge the impact of something that just happened on future public consciousness. Regardless, whatever the reasons for it, most of the time they really do seem to overemphasize the relevance/importance of things that are happening right now.
Of course, I shouldn't be up this late... I'm just happy the domain-name works again.
Posted by: milowent
Fixed the Wikipedia Review article. Silver Seren can't do everything.
LOL. Btw, speaking of trying to actually fix articles, is there any discussion thread round here about the neutering of the Article Rescue Squadron? The old rescue template has finally been deleted after 4.5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_13#Template:Rescue
Posted by: Tarc
Fixed the Wikipedia Review article. Silver Seren can't do everything.
LOL. Btw, speaking of trying to actually fix articles, is there any discussion thread round here about the neutering of the Article Rescue Squadron? The old rescue template has finally been deleted after 4.5 years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_13#Template:Rescue
Posted by: Selina
Oh I wouldn't party about that too much because for every article that is deleted on Wikipedia is one to go over to a Wikia, it all works perfectly to line Jimmy's pockets instead of "the free society"... That is the thinking behind the ideas of notability and deletionism in a website with nearly unlimited storage space - to get as much possible on Wikia where ads can be ran on it...
Posted by: Tarc
Oh I wouldn't party about that too much because for every article that is deleted on Wikipedia is one to go over to a Wikia, it all works perfectly to line Jimmy's pockets instead of "the free society"... That is the thinking behind the ideas of notability and deletionism in a website with nearly unlimited storage space - to get as much possible on Wikia where ads can be ran on it...
Or http://wikialpha.org aka All Things Transformers.
Posted by: milowent
lol, that cracked me up. they've also blocked Dream Focus for using the phrase "evil deletionist," which my inclusionist ally drops in perhaps one of five edits he ever makes.
Posted by: Selina
Oh I wouldn't party about that too much because for every article that is deleted on Wikipedia is one to go over to a Wikia, it all works perfectly to line Jimmy's pockets instead of "the free society"... That is the thinking behind the ideas of notability and deletionism in a website with nearly unlimited storage space - to get as much possible on Wikia where ads can be ran on it...
Or http://wikialpha.org aka All Things Transformers.
Oh my god. There was a funny little comic I saw once that said something about the power of the internet and what humans ende up using it for... but I can't find it, I had it but something eated it so you can has this instead: http://youtu.be/2HrQbjPjbBA
I like the concept of that site though, it looks like something that needs to exist in the same way WR does, just looks like it's been set up people that don't really understand the concept of a public image
I like the concept though even if it looks like they are determined to undermine themselves, because yeah the only preventation against tyranny is open discussion - transparency:http://youtube.com/watch?v=iY57ErBkFFE&list=SPBBA4EA8EABF39223
free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality,
but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.
The mere fact that you have the legal power to keep something secret does not mean you should always use it.
Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.
Funny thing is even though that video is from 1999 and seems spooky, it doesn't actually predict anything because it just talks about something that will always be true.
Posted by: Michaeldsuarez
Or http://wikialpha.org aka All Things Transformers.
http://en.wikialpha.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges
That's an extremely sad sight.
Posted by: It's the blimp, Frank
Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency.
Unfortunately, the rule of law now includes the NDAA, which says you may be detained indefinitely at the whim of the administration, no lawyer, no habeus corpus, nada.
Posted by: TheKartingWikipedian
I asked for a checkuser privately, it came up empty which was surprising as it's an obvious duck. I suspect a couple of candidates, tempted to do a speedy close on the debate as it's clearly in bad faith.
Well how fucking transparent!
Posted by: Tarc
I think DF's wiki-martyrdom is inevitable at this point. Perhaps I could adapt "I Dreamed I Saw Joe Hill Last Night" for him;
as free as you and me.
said I "but Dream, you're 1 week blocked"
"I'm unblocked," said he
"I'm unblocked," said he
"The deletionists blocked you Dream,
they'll ban you next," said I
"Takes more than bans to kill a man"
Says Dream "I didn't die"
Says Dream "I didn't die"
Posted by: thekohser
Oh I wouldn't party about that too much because for every article that is deleted on Wikipedia is one to go over to a Wikia, it all works perfectly to line Jimmy's pockets instead of "the free society"... That is the thinking behind the ideas of notability and deletionism in a website with nearly unlimited storage space - to get as much possible on Wikia where ads can be ran on it...
Good gravy, I've taken over Selina's mind!
Posted by: The Joy
The problem with having a WR WP article is that WR's enemies on WP use the article as a punching bag to annoy us, just like they do with BLP articles of WP's foes.
An article about WR wouldn't fit in the criteria of a traditional encyclopedia, anyway.
Posted by: dogbiscuit
The problem with having a WR WP article is that WR's enemies on WP use the article as a punching bag to annoy us, just like they do with BLP articles of WP's foes.
An article about WR wouldn't fit in the criteria of a traditional encyclopedia, anyway.
I think we need a PR guy to edit it.
Posted by: Silver seren
The problem with having a WR WP article is that WR's enemies on WP use the article as a punching bag to annoy us, just like they do with BLP articles of WP's foes.
An article about WR wouldn't fit in the criteria of a traditional encyclopedia, anyway.
I think we need a PR guy to edit it.
Just send them to WP:CO-OP if you get one.
Posted by: Cedric
The problem with having a WR WP article is that WR's enemies on WP use the article as a punching bag to annoy us, just like they do with BLP articles of WP's foes.
An article about WR wouldn't fit in the criteria of a traditional encyclopedia, anyway.
I think we need a PR guy to edit it.
Just send them to WP:CO-OP if you get one.
. . . and when you go to Rome, do make sure to check in with The Holy Office.
Posted by: EricBarbour
. . . and when you go to Rome, do make sure to check in with The Holy Office.
Don't forget to BYOC (bring your own crucifix).
Posted by: Selina
Oh I wouldn't party about that too much because for every article that is deleted on Wikipedia is one to go over to a Wikia, it all works perfectly to line Jimmy's pockets instead of "the free society"... That is the thinking behind the ideas of notability and deletionism in a website with nearly unlimited storage space - to get as much possible on Wikia where ads can be ran on it...
Good gravy, I've taken over Selina's mind!
lol I guess we do actually agree on some stuff ha.
Do we really have to be hating each othe for god how many years now when Wikipedia is more important? -.-
Posted by: thekohser
lol I guess we do actually agree on some stuff ha.
Do we really have to be hating each othe for god how many years now when Wikipedia is more important? -.-I don't hate you, Selina. Rather, I seek to help you improve.
Posted by: Cunningly Linguistic
lol I guess we do actually agree on some stuff ha.
Do we really have to be hating each othe for god how many years now when Wikipedia is more important? -.-I don't hate you, Selina. Rather, I seek to help you improve.
That sounds rather arrogant to think yourself sufficiently superior to be in a position to help her improve.
Posted by: Zoloft
I feel I improve and learn from anyone I meet.