Giano calls out FT2 for harassment, Uh oh Options

[Rootology]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...2.27s_behaviour

Yow. I just read some of the psychopop stuff FT2 has posted about Giano. Giano's right, that stuff is just totally inappropriate.

[KamrynMatika]

Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon.

If it's only for the featured articles that we're keeping him around, I'll happily go and write some on architecture or whatever - if it means we get some peace and quiet from the endless histrionics that come from the Giano/Bishonen camp, it's definitely worth it.

Does anyone remember what Giano got blocked for in the first place? Incivility I know, but what specifically was he bugging FT2 about before he called Until a stalker?

Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet):

Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Finally.

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[KStreetSlave]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

[jorge]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

Actually he's more like the "responsible adult" trying to get a gang of adolescents to grow up.

[Pumpkin Muffins]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

You got it exactly backwards.

[the fieryangel]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

You got it exactly backwards.

No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared....

Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb.

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[Pumpkin Muffins]

Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon.

Wikipedia is one huge dramafest. But for once, here's drama that is actually important. Giano's battles generally flare up when he runs across incompetent morons who happen to be admins.

Until 1=2 is a good example. That guy hasn't created any significant content in thousands of edits, if ever. He just hangs out on irc socializing, then he struts around on-wiki engaging in endless pompous opining, wherever the drama is. He recently started following Giano around and picking on him. Not a good move.

Or FT2 - ask the guy a simple question and you get drenched in gallons of sewage. Then you ask the question again and he still fails to answer it. Then you ask a tough question and he gets snippy with you. His MO seems to be endless circumlocution and stream of conciseness bullshit obfuscation. But maybe that's generous, maybe he just can't think clearly. Any intelligent person who considers the meaning of words important would get fed up with him.

I don't think Giano is a drama queen, I think his spirit is invested in the project, along with thousands of his hours creating content, and he just can't stand to watch the less endowed members of the leadership piddle all over the project.

[badlydrawnjeff]

No, Giano's just Italian. don't you get it?

What the hell was that, seriously?

[Pumpkin Muffins]

No, Giano's just Italian. don't you get it?

What the hell was that, seriously?

en could do with a few more Italians like Giano.

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[wikiwhistle]

Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon.

What's drama queen about it? The treatment he's received is not right, if it was from most other editors the clique would dislike it intensely.

[Pumpkin Muffins]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

You got it exactly backwards.

No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared....

Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb.

Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it.

Wikipedia has this incredible dichotomy; it's constructed of words, yet the leadership is never as good as their words. For example, the arbcom agreed to address #admins, then they completely flaked out, and now they are taking great umbrage when asked to account for it.

[Proabivouac]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

Funny, I see Giano as the kid that, when hit, hits back.

Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it.

That's exactly right.

[dogbiscuit]

Well, if we are playing analogies, isn't Giano the naive member of the public who has spotted a corrupt police officer, taken it to the police complaints board, is told that the problem will be dealt with, and then wonders why he has been stopped and searched 20 times in the last 6 months, even though his complaint was acknowledged to be well grounded?

Or perhaps...


I'll get me coat.

[jorge]

Are you talking to me?

(IMG:http://www.peterhengl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/taxidriver.jpg)

[Proabivouac]

Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet):

Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Jaeger123 is as obvious a sockpuppet - using ArbCom's tough new standard of any new username or alternate account - as they come:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...23&month=&year=

Immediately after creating this account, he jumps right into AfD’s, the help desk, AIV, requesting rollback, opposes an RfA and jumps onto ANI for that foul-mouthed screed.

He's a liar:

"I created my account on the 11 April after a few days as editing as an ip…"
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=205115659

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[Giano]

Are you talking to me?

(IMG:http://www.peterhengl.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/taxidriver.jpg)

How you get that foto of me? - Don't let Daniel Brandt see it!

Giano

[Moulton]

Real life drama is God's default method of education, when all other conventional methods of education have utterly failed.

[the fieryangel]

Giano's being that kid that keeps poking people and then crying when they hit him back. It's irritating, childish, and incredibly transparent.

You got it exactly backwards.

No, you've got it exactly backwards. I don't know why Giano even bothers any more, but I do know that when he finally gives up and goes over to the dark side that Wikipedia as an entity better be ready to be extremely scared....

Giano does not forget. Giano gets even. And Giano is not dumb.

Are you talking to me? Giano doesn't start fights. Go talk to him, interact with him. You will find that he's one of the nicest editors around - until you pick on him, or refuse to answer a simple question, or try to 'rule' him via #admins, or as an arbcom member agree to address something then wander off and forget about it.

Wikipedia has this incredible dichotomy; it's constructed of words, yet the leadership is never as good as their words. For example, the arbcom agreed to address #admins, then they completely flaked out, and now they are taking great umbrage when asked to account for it.

Sorry, I misunderstood to what you were refering; that makes sense.

However, the day Giano decides to take out Wikipedia is the day that it's all over for them. I think that he's probably got the evidence to do it too....

[Moulton]

Note that Gandhi did not kick the British out of India.

He predicted that, in the end, the British would leave India of their own accord.

And he was right.

But first he needed to help the British appreciate that their practices in India were ill-conceived, ill-advised, and counter-productive of their core cultural values.

I'm not sure I can accurately recite the core values of Wikipedia, but if it's to produce a reputable and responsible online encyclopedia that rises to normative standards of accuracy, excellence, and ethics in media, then I daresay the current practices of the site are demonstrably ill-conceived, ill-advised and counter-productive of that presumptive objective.

[Random832]

Jaeger123 is as obvious a sockpuppet - using ArbCom's tough new standard of any new username or alternate account - as they come:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...23&month=&year=

"copyedit i think it's called" - are they TRYING to make it obvious? No-one but an established wikipedian would think that "copyedit" is a word unique to wikipedia that non-wikipedians would not be familiar with. Can anyone say "trying too hard"?

[wikiwhistle]

"copyedit i think it's called" - are they TRYING to make it obvious? No-one but an established wikipedian would think that "copyedit" is a word unique to wikipedia that non-wikipedians would not be familiar with. Can anyone say "trying too hard"?

I had to ask what they meant by 'copyedit', when someone used it on wiki. I've never heard it used in everyday life. I'm not questioning your saying that it is, I'm just saying that I have never come across anyone using it in the UK in everyday speech, the media or when I was at uni.

[Moulton]

I had not encountered the term, either.

And I confess I still don't know what it means, either on-wiki or elsewhere.

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[wikiwhistle]

I had not encountered the term, either.

And I confess I still don't know what it means, either on-wiki or elsewhere.

They mean when a wikipedian attempts to improve grammar, flow, style of a piece of writing I think. Sometimes hard to believe they do that (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)

[Eva Destruction]

Keeping this thread veering off topic, but "copyedit" is an Americanism which an editor from elsewhere wouldn't necessarily know; the English-English equivalent would be "subedit" (or just "sub"). Not that I doubt for one minute that J123 is an SPA...

[jorge]

I had to ask what they meant by 'copyedit', when someone used it on wiki. I've never heard it used in everyday life. I'm not questioning your saying that it is, I'm just saying that I have never come across anyone using it in the UK in everyday speech, the media or when I was at uni.

I assume it comes from editing copy in a newspaper. So, people who have some experience in print journalism would presumably be most familiar with it.

[written by he who wrote it]

Silly Giano. He only has Red clearance; he's not allowed to accuse Violets like FT2 of harassment. He should report for termination immediately.

[Peter Damian]

A long diatribe from FT on his talk page here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2...hreads_together

which is mostly a personal attack on Giano calculated to provoke the mercurial Italian into some witty comment that will be the end of his career (I predict it will be ended this week, if not today).

One thing I’ve noticed, and perhaps this explains why Giano finds FT2’s comments so disturbing. The sociologist Stanley Cohen coined the term ‘moral panic’ to characterise a reaction by the established order based on the false or exaggerated perception that some person or group, frequently a minority, is 1. deviant 2. poses a menace to the established order 3. Must be punished.

These 3 elements are in all of FT2’s anti-Giano speeches. Count how many times the expression ‘norm’ or ‘communal norm’ occurs in the speeches. 7 times in the last speech alone. This, and similar expressions, communicate that Giano is ‘deviant’ or outside the established norm. Then count how many times he says that Giano’s behaviour is harmful. E.g. “Incivility is not a "victimless" act” – a commonly used phrase used in connection with prostitution, sexual harassment, drug abuse &c. (He also links to the article ‘Victim Blaming’). Finally, count the open and veiled threats that he makes.

No wonder Giano is feeling uncomfortable.

[Random832]

"copyedit i think it's called" - are they TRYING to make it obvious? No-one but an established wikipedian would think that "copyedit" is a word unique to wikipedia that non-wikipedians would not be familiar with. Can anyone say "trying too hard"?

I had to ask what they meant by 'copyedit', when someone used it on wiki. I've never heard it used in everyday life. I'm not questioning your saying that it is, I'm just saying that I have never come across anyone using it in the UK in everyday speech, the media or when I was at uni.

Well then why use the term at all? Either use it or don't, feigned uncertainty isn't going to fool anyone.

[Moulton]

The sociologist Stanley Cohen coined the term ‘moral panic’ to characterise a reaction by the established order based on the false or exaggerated perception that some person or group, frequently a minority, is 1. deviant 2. poses a menace to the established order 3. Must be punished.

Interesting. Compare Cohen's notion of 'moral panic' to Victor Turner's concept of liminal social drama and to Rene Girard's notion of alienation and scapegoating.

[ColScott]

Could Giano be any more of a drama queen? I can't stand the guy. I hope he gets banned soon.

If it's only for the featured articles that we're keeping him around, I'll happily go and write some on architecture or whatever - if it means we get some peace and quiet from the endless histrionics that come from the Giano/Bishonen camp, it's definitely worth it.

Does anyone remember what Giano got blocked for in the first place? Incivility I know, but what specifically was he bugging FT2 about before he called Until a stalker?

Edit: I love this guy (an obvious sockpuppet):

Look this is a voluntary project. We're all here to build an encyclopedia. As far as I can see you're just pissed off at the arb ruling. I know nothing about you're history, but shit like this shouldn't be posted. This page shouldn't even exist for fucks sake...nor should arbcom...it's just people who want to make bad shit happen to people who have done stuff to them out of spite, that's why this page is here, to report crap like that, not to start it. Forget about it, you're just stirring up drama, go edit the mainspace.--Jaeger123 19:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Finally.

Until is not a stalker
H is a fat stoned loser named Ryan Bushby who should be in jail doing 2 to 7 in British Columbia.

[Peter Damian]

Until is not a stalker
H is a fat stoned loser named Ryan Bushby who should be in jail doing 2 to 7 in British Columbia.

Delicately put as always, Colonel Scott.

Meanwhile

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...st_for_eyeballs

FT2 has just advertised his nice speech on ANI. Already Elonka and the mathematically-challenged 1=2 have voiced hearty approval.