Crockspot RfA, Unsuccessful Options

Lovely, Tim Beatty (Tbeatty) supports on-wiki and off-wiki attacks, and Attack Sites like Wikipedia Review apparently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151421233

He inserts a link to:

http://www.digg.com/tech_news/WikiScanner_...519328#c8519328

Which has a HUGE honking link back to this very thread. Well played, Tim. Doofus.

Lovely, Tim Beatty (Tbeatty) supports on-wiki and off-wiki attacks, and Attack Sites like Wikipedia Review apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151421233

He inserts a link to:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/WikiScanner_...519328#c8519328

Which has a HUGE honking link back to this very thread. Well played, Tim. Doofus.

There is something fishy about this. First off, that DIGG story is very unpopular thus how did he come across it? Second, the post written that he references is over-the-top and unncessary. The RfA looked like it was going to fail before this was written and any single purpose accounts that it attracts aren't going to make one bit of difference.

I would call bullshit on this DIGG "canvasing" post, it doesn't ring true at all. Instead it appears like an attempt to invalidate the real failure of this RfA by creating boogymen to blame it on.

The truth is this RfA failed because of the opinion of many established Wikipedia users who honestly felt that this type of behavior from Crockspot was inappropriate.

I concur with you, the link to this thread was unncessary, if it was real canvassing the guy would have better used the Crockspot off-wiki remarks rather than an outcast forum to make his point. Knowing that just seing this forum being used to oppose some editors would be supporting the RfA just for the sake of opposing WR. It is more like a fraud meant to make a user of this forum being accused of inciting meatpuppeting to oppose. And it is obvious from the votes that the RfA won't pass as you have remarked which makes such an action useless.

I concur with you, the link to this thread was unncessary, if it was real canvassing the guy would have better used the Crockspot off-wiki remarks rather than an outcast forum to make his point. Knowing that just seing this forum being used to oppose some editors would be supporting the RfA just for the sake of opposing WR. It is more like a fraud meant to make a user of this forum being accused of inciting meatpuppeting to oppose. And it is obvious from the votes that the RfA won't pass as you have remarked which makes such an action useless.

So everyone is in agreement that Tim Beatty and Crockspot are simply plastering Wikipedia Review and Digg.com all over creation now in an effort to try to discredit the idea of all the opposition to the RFA?

In effect, they are trying to now sway beuarocrats in an effort to bypass the community decision that Crockspot should never be an admin due to his disturbing racist views.

How come MONGO gets to suppress "attack site links" when they're posted by people he doesn't like, but his allies are free to post whatever links they want when they think they serve their purposes?

Now a user is blocked for POSSIBLE off-wiki activities--not even confirmed, not even admitted. Because it MIGHT be him, because of Team America and Crockspot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...A_from_off-wiki

Great quote:

Folks - there is no substantial evidence that vectorsector is Eleemosynary. The extension of the block is setting the precedent that anyone can go off-wiki, pretend to be someone on-wiki and make slanderous remarks, and the on-wiki person gets blocked for it, regardless of that person's guilt. That is embarrassing. For all we know Eleemosynary has nothing to do with vectorsector. I recommend reducing the block immediately before this gets out of hand. Rockstar (T/C) 18:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This is getting completely out of hand. So if I made an account myself as Crockspot on Digg and started flaming racist crap over this, would it be taken at face value of being Crockspot? Literally, because Crockspot and Tom Harrison said THAT IS A 1-WEEK BANNED USER DOING SOMETHING OFF-WIKI, they extended the ban wildy with no evidence of it.

Also, the SevenofDiamons SIXTH Checkuser is now a farce; one of Team America's own patriots, User:Aude, turned on his countrymen here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req.../Case/Lovelight

This request can be closed by a clerk, as Unrelated and Stale. I know what IPs (and geographic location) that Lovelight edited from, which were revealed previously, and they are not a match for SevenOfDiamonds or the IP address in question. Also, Lovelight hasn't edited since May 1, so the request would also be stale. It would probably be improper for me to close this request, but a clerk should do so. --Aude (talk) 17:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This whole fiasco is just more and more absurd.

How come MONGO gets to suppress "attack site links" when they're posted by people he doesn't like, but his allies are free to post whatever links they want when they think they serve their purposes?

You should honestly ask that question on the ANI thread. If they accuse you of stalking or harassment, call them on their own harassment of other users. Seriously wish someone would stand up to these guys, they're now blocking people who aren't even active on WP over this...!

Lovely, Tim Beatty (Tbeatty) supports on-wiki and off-wiki attacks, and Attack Sites like Wikipedia Review apparently:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151421233

He inserts a link to:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/WikiScanner_...519328#c8519328

Which has a HUGE honking link back to this very thread. Well played, Tim. Doofus.

There is something fishy about this. First off, that DIGG story is very unpopular thus how did he come across it? Second, the post written that he references is over-the-top and unncessary. The RfA looked like it was going to fail before this was written and any single purpose accounts that it attracts aren't going to make one bit of difference.

I would call bullshit on this DIGG "canvasing" post, it doesn't ring true at all. Instead it appears like an attempt to invalidate the real failure of this RfA by creating boogymen to blame it on.

The truth is this RfA failed because of the opinion of many established Wikipedia users who honestly felt that this type of behavior from Crockspot was inappropriate.

Indeed Crockpot has been bubbling the whole time about something big in the tubes, and then he finds it - it seems most likely the digg.com post is by Crockpot himself

This was interesting.

SlimVirgin, as we know, has been semi-absent. She didn't edit at all from 7-12 August, then made 10 edits, and then hasn't edited at all for the past 3 days since. Of those 10 edits, guess what they were?

5 Animal Rights related
2 Biographies of Living Persons
3 Request for Adminships - all support

Now, we all know that Animal Rights and BLPs are of special interest to her. So surely the 3 admins are ones who she so vehemently supports. Guess who one of them was?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=150861617

Of course, at the time, he was (60/5/1), well and truly on track to get adminship. Since then the votes have gone heavily against him, and he's about 75/75.

Interesting though that SlimVirgin would have voted for someone who seems to be some kind of a Ku Klux Klan member, or something of the kind.

I mean, recall that SlimVirgin's primary criticism of Wikipedia Review is that:

1) We stalk and harass people (Especially her!)
2) This is a neo-nazi front, and we are all racists

So if she hates racism so much that she is willing to label us all as racists merely to try to try to shut us up, surely she wouldn't be supporting an actual racist?

And surely given that that was one of only 10 edits that she's made in the past week, that surely that one was well thought out. Surely this is what she really believes. Surely she knows his history.

I just find it interesting, anyway. Perhaps poor SV didn't realise that she was accidentally supporting a racist. Perhaps once she finds out she'll change her vote. Let's wait.

I don't believe Smedly or whoever had revealed the discovery of the racism until after Linda Mack issued her patronage !vote, in hindsight. It is horrible of her not to retract, however. Unless she hates Jews...

Alright, well at first I was thinking about keeping this private but since MONGO went ahead and plastered accusations on ANI of opposers canvassing I shall tell you that I received an e-mail from MONGO asking for support for Crockspot's RFA yesterday.

At first I was thrown off by this, a letter from MONGO himself? How does he know me? Stumped by this I went back and checked and it seems I voted to support MONGO in his original RFA in 2005. How naive I was back then! But then again I didn't know much about MONGO back then, in fact I didn't really know much about policy and Wikipedia itself though.

Anyway, I went ahead and voted support to see if my vote would be caught and struck as being from an "inactive user", but it seems it wasn't, big surprise. If MONGO just wasn't so confrontational things wouldn't blow up to such dramatic levels. I think MONGO means well or at least meant well at one point, but the numerous trolls and vandals have conspired to rob him of his good will and sanity. I daresay such is the fate of any person who becomes ingrained within the Wikipedia power structure.

MONGO, if you are reading this, just give up on Wikipedia. Long ago I tried to edit errors as they appeared, but there was always another error and another and another to eat up my time, and for what purpose? To get a free encyclopedia together for every person in the world? Call me disillusioned but I just don't see that vision coming to fruition ever with the current power struggles and conflict within Wikipedia and the various factions.

Oh and did poor MrGibblets really deserve a ban? I made the same mistake of linking to WR once, but I survived somehow, SlimVirgin simply gave me a warning.

Why don't you post this evidence on ANI? Shut his mouth up once and for all.

Do you have the email with headers ? I am in contact with muckraker Bmedley Sutler.

Sorry had some work I had to do late last night.

Well I would post this on ANI but since it's now been circulating across the mailing list and Digg and now people know of the WR link here, it probably doesn't matter, especially since Crockspot's RFA turned into a huge battlefield.

Though if anyone wants a screenshot of the e-mail I could still send it to you, just message me via e-mail if you are interested.

Alright, well at first I was thinking about keeping this private but since MONGO went ahead and plastered accusations on ANI of opposers canvassing I shall tell you that I received an e-mail from MONGO asking for support for Crockspot's RFA yesterday.

At first I was thrown off by this, a letter from MONGO himself? How does he know me? Stumped by this I went back and checked and it seems I voted to support MONGO in his original RFA in 2005. How naive I was back then! But then again I didn't know much about MONGO back then, in fact I didn't really know much about policy and Wikipedia itself though.

Anyway, I went ahead and voted support to see if my vote would be caught and struck as being from an "inactive user", but it seems it wasn't, big surprise. If MONGO just wasn't so confrontational things wouldn't blow up to such dramatic levels. I think MONGO means well or at least meant well at one point, but the numerous trolls and vandals have conspired to rob him of his good will and sanity. I daresay such is the fate of any person who becomes ingrained within the Wikipedia power structure.

MONGO, if you are reading this, just give up on Wikipedia. Long ago I tried to edit errors as they appeared, but there was always another error and another and another to eat up my time, and for what purpose? To get a free encyclopedia together for every person in the world? Call me disillusioned but I just don't see that vision coming to fruition ever with the current power struggles and conflict within Wikipedia and the various factions.

Oh and did poor MrGibblets really deserve a ban? I made the same mistake of linking to WR once, but I survived somehow, SlimVirgin simply gave me a warning.

Why don't you post this evidence on ANI? Shut his mouth up once and for all.

Do you have the email with headers ? I am in contact with muckraker Bmedley Sutler.

Sorry had some work I had to do late last night.

Well I would post this on ANI but since it's now been circulating across the mailing list and Digg and now people know of the WR link here, it probably doesn't matter, especially since Crockspot's RFA turned into a huge battlefield.

Though if anyone wants a screenshot of the e-mail I could still send it to you, just message me via e-mail if you are interested.

Willing to have it reposted here?

Willing to have it reposted here?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2127/mongomessageqy2.png

Mongo and his elk are a relatively minor sub-cabal. . . .

IM IN UR WEBSITE

REMOVING UR INTOLERABLE THREATS

I'll quote that for easier reading:

Care to help to help out Crockspot?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...nship/Crockspot

Mongo and his elk are a relatively minor sub-cabal. . . .

I'd say that's one evil cabal. Where does this guy fit in?

Mongo and his elk are a relatively minor sub-cabal. . . .

I'd say that's one evil cabal. Where does this guy fit in?

Ilk.

Also watch the Reindeer Cabal, Mule Deer Cabal and worst of all the Moose Illuminati.

One interesting thing is that there is a person called Mr Gibblets who was banned, basically, for:

1) Voting SUPPORT to Crockspot, as a new user
2) Linking to Wikipediareview.com (here), and specifically to this post (criticised by MONGO)
3) Complaining about decisions on the admin noticeboard.

Banned indefinitely as a "Vandalism only account"

I thought it was odd that he linked to us here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=151295119

This ultimately is what got him banned.

And if MrGibblets is someone who posts here, well, you're banned already, so unless you've got a second non-banned alias on Wikipedia (sock puppet), then would you mind saying who you are? If you don't yet have an account can you create one?

Willing to have it reposted here?

http://img483.imageshack.us/img483/2127/mongomessageqy2.png

Thanks, but.....

Without MONGREL's email address and FULL headers, it could never be accepted as 'evidence'. Would you be willing to post that info?

Well I'm hesitant to give out his e-mail address, I wouldn't want him ending up spammed with shit.

Well I'm hesitant to give out his e-mail address, I wouldn't want him ending up spammed with shit.

There are worse things than spam.