[jayjg] 25/08/2008

Why has User:Krimpet tagged User:Crimp It! as a sock of User:Kristen
Eriksen? Occam's Razor would suggest that Crimp It! is exactly what it
appears to be: someone who goes to the same university as Eriksen, and
is harassing her. Is there other information that would strongly
suggest otherwise?


[Thatcher131] 25/08/2008

San Jose State has very few editors, at least in the last 3 month, and
she doesn't say where she is from. I think Occam would grant that at
the very least, Crimp It! is a friend of Kristen's who knows about her
editing. (Otherwise, what are the odds of a stalker coming from the
same place as the target if the target's location has not been
publicly disclosed.) And do we usually give a lot of weight to the
"it was my friend/roommate/happened to use the same library PC as me"
excuse?

I am in general quite suspicious of Kristen. Her user page was
targeted for Grawp-style 4chan vandalism when her account was less
than a couple days old. That's a pretty narrow window of time for the
account to be discovered at random.


[jayjg] 25/08/2008

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Thatcher131 wrote:
> San Jose State has very few editors, at least in the last 3 month, and
> she doesn't say where she is from. I think Occam would grant that at
> the very least, Crimp It! is a friend of Kristen's who knows about her
> editing.

It looks to me like Crimp It! is an acquaintance of Kristen's who
knows about her editing. Perhaps even a friend who thinks it's funny
to mess around with her.

> (Otherwise, what are the odds of a stalker coming from the
> same place as the target if the target's location has not been
> publicly disclosed.) And do we usually give a lot of weight to the
> "it was my friend/roommate/happened to use the same library PC as me"
> excuse?

Not usually, but the "friend/roommate" accounts usually do supportive
stuff, like !vote in support, edit-war on their behalf, etc. They
don't usually try to get their articles deleted.

> I am in general quite suspicious of Kristen. He user page was
> targeted for Grawp-style 4chan vandalism when her account was less
> than a couple days old. That's a pretty narrow window of time for the
> account to be discovered at random.


[Alison Cassidy] 25/08/2008

That's a good point. It is possible that this is all and attempt to
disrupt Wikipedia with good-hand/bad-hand accounts. But a lot of
effort has been put into that "good-hand" account, more than usual.

I'm inclined to agree with Thatcher here. I also ran a check and came
to a similar conclusion. Suspicions here, too (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

It might be for the best to simply indef the sock and remove the
suggestion they're connected. If there *is* any funny business going
on with that account, and there may well be, I reckon we'll be back
discussing it here anyway. There are a lot of eyes now watching that
account, including half of WR, from what I can see ....

-- Allie


[Thatcher131] 25/08/2008

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:54 PM, jayjg <jayjg99@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Thatcher131 <thatcher131@gmail.com> wrote:
>> San Jose State has very few editors, at least in the last 3 month, and
>> she doesn't say where she is from. I think Occam would grant that at
>> the very least, Crimp It! is a friend of Kristen's who knows about her
>> editing.
>
> It looks to me like Crimp It! is an acquaintance of Kristen's who
> knows about her editing. Perhaps even a friend who thinks it's funny
> to mess around with her.

SJS has a /16 but although Crimp It! and Kristen are on different IPs,
they are on the same /24, which sounds to me like a library. I also
think the choice of name is suspicious if this is someone who is not
an experienced wikipedian and who decided to bug his/her friend.

Frankly, when I saw San Jose the first thing I thought of was Amorrow.
Are we sure he is still in jail?

> That's a good point. It is possible that this is all and attempt to
> disrupt Wikipedia with good-hand/bad-hand accounts. But a lot of
> effort has been put into that "good-hand" account, more than usual.

Kristen has not been blocked, and there is a relatively polite request
for an explanation on her talk page. Let's see what she has to say.

Thatcher


[jayjg] 25/08/2008

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Alison Cassidy <cooties@mac.com> wrote:
> I'm inclined to agree with Thatcher here. I also ran a check and came
> to a similar conclusion. Suspicions here, too (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
>
> It might be for the best to simply indef the sock and remove the
> suggestion they're connected. If there *is* any funny business going
> on with that account, and there may well be, I reckon we'll be back
> discussing it here anyway. There are a lot of eyes now watching that
> account, including half of WR, from what I can see ....

That makes sense to me.


[Alison Cassidy] 25/08/2008

On Aug 25, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Thatcher131 wrote:

> Frankly, when I saw San Jose the first thing I thought of was Amorrow.
> Are we sure he is still in jail?


That was also asked recently by someone else. Andrew Morrow is still
in Santa Clara County Jail and won't be released until September 15.
This is something I'm watching rather closely myself as I'll have to
get back into vigilant-mode when he's released (and I'm not talking
about Wikipedia). Also, he never edited from SJSU.

-- Allie


[Alison Cassidy] 26/08/2008

And given that this whole issue has now spilled onto WP:AN, and that
it's mostly heat and not light right now, can we possibly post a
statement on this one way or another? The matter needs closure and
some sort of definitive answer, even if that answer is, "we're not
totally sure".

Thoughts?

-- Allie


[Larry Pieniazek] 26/08/2008

My view is that the consensus view is that it's somewhere between likely and
confirmed. (very likely, in other words... the three CUs that so far looked
at the results all think the same thing) It's reasonable to tag CI! as
"suspected" at any rate and reasonable to ask the questions that Krimpet
asked KE.

I don't know what John254 is thinking but I don't see his reasoning as
entirely sound. And his contributions to the matter are not very
constructive either. This is not the first time that I have not found his
contributions to a matter less than optimally constructive either.

Larry Pieniazek


[jayjg] 26/08/2008

Is that the consensus view? Does the user agent information match?
Although, if they're using a library, it probably would anyway.