Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fæ (/Fae/Ash), Quick, send a dossier to ArbCom and delete! Options

[Peter Damian]

I was in the Support column in that RFA, I haven't yet seen anything to challenge the things we were told in that RFA ,clean blocklog exercised Cleanstart etc. ϢereSpielChequers 21:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Says Liberal councillor for Richmond Jonathan Cardy, whose register of interests http://www.richmond.gov.uk/who_are_my_coun...&HID=478&HPID=0 fails to include any mention of his work on Wikipedia or WMUK.

[Web Fred]

I was in the Support column in that RFA, I haven't yet seen anything to challenge the things we were told in that RFA ,clean blocklog exercised Cleanstart etc. ϢereSpielChequers 21:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Says Liberal councillor for Richmond Jonathan Cardy, whose register of interests http://www.richmond.gov.uk/who_are_my_coun...&HID=478&HPID=0 fails to include any mention of his work on Wikipedia or WMUK.

This register of interests was published on Friday, 21 May 2010, 3:46 pm.

When did he start on WP or with WMUK?

[Peter Damian]

I was in the Support column in that RFA, I haven't yet seen anything to challenge the things we were told in that RFA ,clean blocklog exercised Cleanstart etc. ϢereSpielChequers 21:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Says Liberal councillor for Richmond Jonathan Cardy, whose register of interests http://www.richmond.gov.uk/who_are_my_coun...&HID=478&HPID=0 fails to include any mention of his work on Wikipedia or WMUK.

This register of interests was published on Friday, 21 May 2010, 3:46 pm.

When did he start on WP or with WMUK?

WP http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=121411144 2007. WMUK, at least since August 2009.

[Cla68]

The RfC/U was deleted by Will Beback today. The reason Will gave was that it was not established that Ash and Fæ were the same person, and that arbcom, in response to his inquiry, failed to confirm that they were. This being so, Will concluded that therefore the RfC was based on a faulty premise, and deleted it.

Twenty minutes later, arbitrator John Vandenberg undeleted it ...

Will Beback asks ArbCom to give him personal information about another editor and when he doesn't hear a response within 24 hours, he tries to delete the RfC? That's classic WP gaming. I suggest looking at Will Beback's editing activity from when his account first started and you might see a reason why he would get involved in something like this.

Anyway, Fae needs to come clean instead of giving the appearance of trying to privately ask other editors to intercede on his behalf. The homophobia accusations are to be expected, but doesn't make them any more acceptable. Remember, some of Cirt's defenders, and this is related, called his accusers "Nazis" and "Liars."

[Michaeldsuarez]

Shrigley looks like a regular contributor, mostly in Chinese subjects.

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34837

I don't believe that Shrigley is a normal user. If Shrigley was simply a "regular contributor", then he wouldn't have invoked his right to vanish in November 2011:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=462904835

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=465501034

Shrigley is a clear PRC apologist. He is known to create hatchet jobs on critics of the PRC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=432993255

Shrigley admits being Chinese in the following diff:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=396852685

He's editing in the interests of his beloved motherland. His "I don't have too strong a sense of Chinese identity" and "I can barely speak the language" comments are bullshit. Anyone reviewing his revisions to Wikipedia can see that he knows many, many things about China, its culture, and its languages.

Edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=473564708

Shrigley has decided to play the "WR is anti-gay" card.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Sat 28th January 2012, 3:53pm

[lilburne]

Edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=473564708

Shrigley has decided to play the "WR is anti-gay" card.

[spp]

The sad part of all this is there are three distinct issues at play here and one will knock the other two out:

1. Fae and Ash have been improperly editing BLP topics.
2. Ash left under an RFCU cloud, came back as Fae, and gained the bit while hiding exactly what was going on with the prior account.
3. There are homophobic elements taking advantage of the situation and bashing Fae.

All three are wrong but 3 distracts from the other two.

This post has been edited by spp: Sat 28th January 2012, 4:47pm

[Web Fred]

Edit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=473564708

Shrigley has decided to play the "WR is anti-gay" card.

Hasn't WP got enough whinging queens playing the "homophobia" card without this one adding to the noise?

It's quite obvious that WR isn't a welcoming place if one is a shirtlifter, but from what I've seen recently there have not been any threads which could rationally and reasonably be described as homophobic.

[Tarc]

This is nothing more than cyber poofter bashing

The Fae fans in there need a serious dose of

This post has been edited by Tarc: Sat 28th January 2012, 5:14pm

[Cla68]

By trying to delete the RfC, Will Beback has succeeded in bringing it to the attention of the wider community. There is now enough input in it to require some kind of action.

[Rhindle]

Nixon resigned because he knew he was toast. If he could come back as another persona and ran for president would he get elected(ignore the term limit issues for sake of argument)?

If Fae passes another RfA after this that means anyone can have a "clean start." How about anyone here with a sock, er "alternative account" in good standing should get some editing mojo and run for admin, espcially the ones here who are banned. After being confirmed, leave some vague reference that you were once a banned account that posts here. During an RfC or Arbcom request make accusations about being harrassed because you're a known WR poster and being discriminated against. As long as you can have a "clean start" everyone is included right?

[SB_Johnny]

If Fae passes another RfA after this that means anyone can have a "clean start." How about anyone here with a sock, er "alternative account" in good standing should get some editing mojo and run for admin, espcially the ones here who are banned. After being confirmed, leave some vague reference that you were once a banned account that posts here. During an RfC or Arbcom request make accusations about being harrassed because you're a known WR poster and being discriminated against. As long as you can have a "clean start" everyone is included right?

Just make sure to post about it on WR while you're doing it, so you'll have plenty of opportunities to accuse the opposers of "outing" you whenever they try to bring it up.

[tarantino]

A frequently repeated meme by wikipedia users is that homophobia is common on WR.

From Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Fæ

"Fae has undergone some unadulterated harrasment by various users on WR, and a lot of it is of the homophobic variety …"

"a thread which is being use to engage in homophobic and harrassing commentary …"

"Yes, of course, there have been some unpleasant homophobic posts on WR… "

I honestly don't remember any posts on WR expressing a fear of homosexuals, or even posts disparaging people because they are gay.

Are there examples, and if there are, are they more frequent than what appears on wikipedia's various forums?

This post has been edited by tarantino: Sun 29th January 2012, 4:03am

[Silver seren]

Other than Kohser insulting me for being gay, I haven't seen any of you guys saying anything like that.

[Rhindle]

Whenever the "OMG homophobia" crowd is asked to provide a link for examples of this, they never can come up with one and just dodge the issue.

[TungstenCarbide]

Other than Kohser insulting me for being gay, I haven't seen any of you guys saying anything like that.

I thought I insulted you for getting your jollies from people dressed up as furry animals, but then admitted that it can be kind of hot, done right.

Until you can prove that I "insulted" you for "being gay", I think you should take that back. I have a very inclusive and tolerant perspective on gay rights.

I agree. Being branded in this way can have very real consequences in life. Silver seren, you need to back your statement up or retract it with an apology.

[Kelly Martin]

I honestly don't remember any posts on WR expressing a fear of homosexuals, or even posts disparaging people because they are gay.

Are there examples, and if there are, are they more frequent than what appears on wikipedia's various forums?

This was a problem back in the early days of WR. But I've seen nothing worthy of concern in at least four or five years.

Other than Kohser insulting me for being gay, I haven't seen any of you guys saying anything like that.

Nah, nobody here cares that you're gay. We make fun of you for being a furry. Totally different concept.

[Tarc]

Other than Kohser insulting me for being gay, I haven't seen any of you guys saying anything like that.

Nah, nobody here cares that you're gay. We make fun of you for being a furry. Totally different concept.

Well, some of the bleeding-hearts got a little uppity during the Bachmann debate here back when I referred to him and his avatar as "furfags". But that was a reflection on furrydom in general rather than Seren's sexuality in particular, which at the time I had no knowledge of. Political correctness is not my forte.

[Silver seren]

Other than Kohser insulting me for being gay, I haven't seen any of you guys saying anything like that.

Nah, nobody here cares that you're gay. We make fun of you for being a furry. Totally different concept.

Well, some of the bleeding-hearts got a little uppity during the Bachmann debate here back when I referred to him and his avatar as "furfags". But that was a reflection on furrydom in general rather than Seren's sexuality in particular, which at the time I had no knowledge of. Political correctness is not my forte.

I think Kohser has used that terminology as well. If it's not meant to mean something sexuality related, then I do take back my comment. But that's usually what the comment means, so just generally using it often seems to imply that.

[EricBarbour]

Would anyone like some COI issues to hit Fae with in the RFC?