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_ Jayjg _ It's confirmed. Jayjg runs an unauthorized bot
Posted by: LamontStormstar
It's confirmed. Jayjg runs an unauthorized bot
December 20:
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03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Kosher tax‎ (Revenue Agency news release)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) User:MoiseTshombe‎ ({{sockpuppetcheckuser|Fluffbrain}}) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) After the Holocaust‎ (→Holocaust denial - clean up section)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Holocaust denial‎ (→The existence and nature of the Holocaust was well-documented by the extremely bureaucratic German government itself - various responses)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Amaliq‎ (redirect WP:POVFORK) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Germar Rudolf‎ (remove all sorts of IP insertions - unsourced, apologetic, irrelevant, or POV. Also, add ref, and remove links that fail WP:EL or are broken) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) User:Jayjg/Alberuni‎ (→BellSouth)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Anti-Arabism‎ (Edits by banned editor removed, per policy.)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) Talk:Jerusalem‎ (→protection -Edits by banned editor removed, per policy.) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) French Mandate of Syria‎ (banned user Alberuni editing) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) m French Mandate of Syria‎ (Protected French Mandate of Syria: banned user Alberuni editing [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed] (expires 03:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)))
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) m Talk:Post-World War II baby boom‎ (→"Historical revision" section - fixing link) (top)
03:10, 20 December 2007 (hist) (diff) User talk:Peter cohen‎ (→David Irving, British English, etc. - new section)
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03:10, 20 December 2007 Jayjg (Talk | contribs) blocked "68.218.6.96 (Talk)" (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of 1 month ‎ (Banned Alberuni editing)
03:10, 20 December 2007 Jayjg (Talk | contribs) protected French Mandate of Syria ‎ (banned user Alberuni editing [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed] (expires 03:10, 3 January 2008 (UTC)))
Jayjg finds time to run lots of POV edits, then run several checkusers, cyberstalk someone who vandalized his userpage two weeks ago to mark them as a sockpuppet of "Fluffbrain" who no one's ever heard of, add more cyberstalking data to his attack article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jayjg/Alberuni and do whatever stalker crap that makes Amorrow look tame in comparison, and he does it all in less than 60 seconds.
You know, I bet if we saw the checkuser logs, we'd see that Jayjg didn't do it in 1 second but he spent hours fishing in checkuser. You know while checkuser logs are private so as not to disclose people's IP addresses, I think they should make at least the timestamp of each time someone uses checkuser visible. If we do that, then we could see just how often Jayjg fishes around in there.
I wonder if it's against the rules for Alison to say if he did all his checkusering at 03:10, 20 December 2007 or if Jayjg did it leisurely and how long he spent on it?
You know I looked for Alberni's story at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_banned_users and I don't know what he did. However this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AAlberuni&diff=45132347&oldid=42193184 sheds light on things. Jayjg and SlimVirgin keep removing Alberni's statement:
Alberuni has been mercilessly censored for speaking out against the great Ziopedian systemic bias. --[[User:86.141.50.205|86.141.50.205]] 03:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Yes, and I wonder how Wikipedia allows such censorship practices! This is very harmful to the nuetrality and objectiveness of Wikipedia. Something has to be done to restrain the pro-Israeli administrators who ban left and right everybody who contributes something they don't like! Ù‘[[User:82.148.97.67|82.148.97.67]] 13:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Posted by: Amarkov
Obviously, this is "tabbed browsing". Now, the only information that I can reveal about tabbed browsing is that it makes 1 minute equal to several minutes; everything else is strictly sooper sekrit. But rest assured, no admin that I like is running an unauthorized bot!
Oh, and if he is running an authorized bot, it doesn't matter because he got "implicit consent". This is obvious from the fact that people did not start complaining the instant he started.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
Obviously, this is "tabbed browsing". Now, the only information that I can reveal about tabbed browsing is that it makes 1 minute equal to several minutes; everything else is strictly sooper sekrit. But rest assured, no admin that I like is running an unauthorized bot!
Oh, and if he is running an authorized bot, it doesn't matter because he got "implicit consent". This is obvious from the fact that people did not start complaining the instant he started.
I've found if I try to open up about 50 tabbed windows and then fire them all at once, it bogs down my computer pretty good. My computer's CPU, memory, and hard drive couldn't keep up. Then sending all that data to the net simultaneously will result in it overflowing so things will come back and even on a high speed connection, it'd be hard to cram it all in under a minute, so maybe Jayjg is doing his stuff from a T1 at a computer somewhere outside his home.
Regardless, he still can't be doing all his fishing in checkuser that fast.
Posted by: Ampersand
Perhaps now Jayjg's account is being used by multiple members of the Cabal as a place for them to do all their edits?
Posted by: Moulton
Technically this would be an "assistive agent" rather than an autonomous bot, since the agent is executing specified edits on behalf of Jayjg, who personally queued them up.
Posted by: Mndrew
I would suspect Jayjg would be running this from more than one connection or else have some souped-up rig. There is no way one man could accrue so many edits in such a short time.
Posted by: cyofee
Unless he has a very old PC and a very bad browser, having 50 tabs shouldn't be a problem to him.
However, a regular network card and router can't take creating 50 TCP connections in the same second. It would take at least a minute load all the pages.
Posted by: Moulton
It basically depends on how much RAM you have, and how much content you have in each tab. Some people use a USB memory stick for their swap file, which also helps.
Posted by: Disillusioned Lackey
It basically depends on how much RAM you have, and how much content you have in each tab. Some people use a USB memory stick for their swap file, which also helps.
Any good hacker can tell you that time is a philisophical notion. Changing the clock is the most basic thing anyone does when messing with computer-anything. It covers tracks. When I had a cyberintruder, their favorite thing to do was put in code and label the time Aug 14 2004, (or was it Aug 4, I forget) so that the additional material appeared to be part of WinXP2's main package.
Even if you take auditing on your machine, intruders regularly alter the time on the machine so as to mask things - his was mentioned by Steve Reilly of Microsoft Security a while back. If you have intrusion issues, dont trust your clock.
Extrapolating this to the net, why anyone should trust the clock to trust checkuser even on the WP server (I know Ive been dressed down for this theory, so just go at me again, I dont care) is something I dont understand. At some point, anything can be changed. I dont want to have a discussion about the how and why and probably. Just wanted to toss that out there (then duck and run).
Posted by: SenseMaker
If you did the strange stuff that Jayjg is currently doing in the presence of SlimVirgin and you were not on your side you would face the inquisition and then probably be banned for just not being normal. Jayjg is on SlimVirgin's side thus don't expect anyone to complain (as they fear the ban hammer.)
Jayjg is using another account that is using another IP. He is using the Jayjg account to ensure we don't look too hard at his other accounts and connect them to him. I suspect he is caching his edits in part because he doesn't want to show any time series information as to when he is actually editing, because that could be an effective clue to identifying his other accounts.
Someone should ask Jayjg why he is being so weird. It shouldn't be necessary if he was on the up and up.
Posted by: Moulton
Think about Fair and Foul, and one immediately falls into Furore.
Posted by: Saltimbanco
Isn't it a contradiction to call anything that Jayjg does at Wikipedia "unauthorized?"
Posted by: EuroSceptic
Just simple, he is gaming us using some tabs.....
Posted by: gomi
So it's easy to find out. After Jayjg is done with one of his 30-edits-in-a-minute rampages, revert them all with the edit summary of "unauthorized bot", wait for all hell to break loose, and see what happens!
Posted by: LamontStormstar
So it's easy to find out. After Jayjg is done with one of his 30-edits-in-a-minute rampages, revert them all with the edit summary of "unauthorized bot", wait for all hell to break loose, and see what happens!
Good call.
It basically depends on how much RAM you have, and how much content you have in each tab. Some people use a USB memory stick for their swap file, which also helps.
You put something in your USB part for your swap file then when you bump your computer accidentally it all goes to hell and your memory is all gone!
Posted by: Moulton
It takes a certain amount of physical grace and panache to use a computer without bumping into it like a clumsy oaf.
Posted by: Miltopia
This thread rules.
The bot would explain all the "thank you for your syncophantic messages" he did at once.
Posted by: gomi
"syncophantic"? - Is this the kind of fawning adulation that leads people to make synchronized edits to the same articles? :-)
Posted by: Miltopia
Lol, when I typed that I even thought "don't add an 'n' like you always do". Guess I did anyway.
Posted by: LamontStormstar
Suddenly tonight Jayjg has mysteriously stopped his botlike edits and is editing normally all night for hours now. His edits consist of edit warring and arguing on talk pages over Jewish-related articles.
Posted by: Saltimbanco
I think we all take that as given.
Posted by: Yehudi
It takes a certain amount of physical grace and panache to use a computer without bumping into it like a clumsy oaf.
Use a laptop. Then you can just bump into the table it's on.
Posted by: Eleland
Semi-automated editing, where you make all the decisions yourself, and a computer process actually submits the information to Wikipedia for you, is not the same as running a bot. A bot makes decisions on its own, heuristically. Whatever Jayjg might do wrong on the Wikipedia, the use of a batch editing process isn't really problematic in any way I can see.
Posted by: dogbiscuit
Whatever Jayjg might do wrong on the Wikipedia, the use of a batch editing process isn't really problematic in any way I can see.
One issue might be that it is seeking to evade sockpuppet checks. If using the likes of Tor are a bad thing, as it is deemed a means of evasion of checks rather than a means of protecting privacy, then the same goes for batch editing, where seeking to cover one's editing tracks could be taken to be a means of evading sock puppet checks.
Posted by: Eleland
Whatever Jayjg might do wrong on the Wikipedia, the use of a batch editing process isn't really problematic in any way I can see.
One issue might be that it is seeking to evade sockpuppet checks. If using the likes of Tor are a bad thing, as it is deemed a means of evasion of checks rather than a means of protecting privacy, then the same goes for batch editing, where seeking to cover one's editing tracks could be taken to be a means of evading sock puppet checks.
If Jay uses socks, they're not going to be found out. Unlike a lot of the Hasbara crowd, whose influence over the encyclopedia is made more shameful by their blatant incompetence, Jayjg puts up a pretty decent facade. Besides, having your socks found out doesn't seem to matter once you get that high up in the "community", ask