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Posted by: Piperdown

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cla68/RfC/Sandbox&&title=User%3ACla68%2FRfC%2FSandbox&diff=190784014&oldid=190781870

Posted by: Piperdown

What would Alison Wheeler, David Shankbone, and other outstanding Wikipedians (although slightly self-aggrandizing) with diverse social backgrounds think about JzG's redirection of Turd Burglary? I shudder to think that any WP admins would actually stand up for what they believe is offensive to other admins.

Posted by: Piperdown

Turd Burglar has somehow found its way into here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_homosexuality

Huh?

A turd burglar isn't a sexual reference at all is it? Doesn't it refer to someone who accidentally bursts into someone else's occupied toilet room/stall? Homosexuality? Did someone try to apologise for JzG's mishomogyny gaff? Help me understand, all you unhip slangsters out there

Posted by: wikiwhistle

It's listed under "Slang or pejorative terms". It's like a 'shirt lifter' i.e. a gay. Such as someone might accuse their mate of being if they were mocking them in an unpolitically correct manner. Hey, maybe JzG was drunk or bored that day.

Posted by: Shalom

Wait, are you telling me that JzG redirecting "Turd burglar" to "gay" was not complete nonsense? Serious question.

Posted by: wikiwhistle

It gives the term a redirect it perhaps doesn't deserve, that redirect doesn't need to be in an encyclopedia, it was politically unwise of him to do as it's been used to associate him with the opinion; much as NPOVing a zoophilia article might be taken down and used in evidence against someone.

Posted by: Alison

Where I'm from, I've certainly heard the term being used to refer to a gay male. Think about it As WW says, it's akin to 'shirtlifter'.

Posted by: Eva Destruction

Agreed. Certainly in London, it's one of the commonest slang terms for "gay male".

Posted by: dogbiscuit

More akin to chutney ferret. (Thinks, not a path I should be going down really). I seem to recall, though, that it was not the redirect but the context, a bit like Guy claiming calling people c**ts was perfectly acceptable English behaviour (plenty of women here still find the term really offensive.

Posted by: Random832

Also - in context, JzG was just trying to protect the title from a series of silly articles that had been created at that title.

Posted by: Piperdown

um, wrong answer. there's other ways to protect a title. I wonder what JzG's opinions on "gay" men is. Re-directing turd burglar to gay is not very nice, to say the least.

that redirect would be akin to "nappy headed ho's" being redirected to that ladies basketball team's article that was involved in the Don Imus scandal.

Or let's say, "coon" or "jigaboo" being redirected to "Negro". Pitchforks and torches would run off any editor who did such a thing. If it was redirected to a subsection or stub on the properly referenced sources of insulting names, that's a different story.

If it was redirect to section of "insulting names for homosexuals" and not just "gay", that would be different. I think "gay" is socially acceptable and relatively positive to all walks of life. Although many straight old-timers who like to refer to good times as "gay" are still not happy about its adoption by the homosexual community I've heard.

That redirect implies that turd burglar is an acceptable and definite synonym for "gay". I'd imagine to someone that's gay, it's horribly offensive to present it that way.

If I were to enter "coon" in wikipedia and it brought up the Negro article, that would be terrible.

Isnt' JzG an ultra-macho kickass Church Deacon? I'd wager he doesn't approve of gay at all, and that redirect was done with malice.



its funny ain't it? all these uberrighteous lady admins like slimmy feigning offences, while davy and jzg go round using the most offensive word that exists to most women i've known. maybe those women aren't from his pub and just aren't culturally hip to whats acceptable these days.

Posted by: Milton Roe

I believe "turd burglar" was in that list long before JzG's "gaff." Which wasn't so much a gaff at all, as it is a slang term, especially in the UK. And I pointed out at the time, his big mistake was redirecting it to "Gay" and not the proper "Terminology of homosexuality." Nobody paid me any attention. Anyway, the slang is something along the joke line of "Can I push in your stool for you?" How offensive it is, depends on who says it and if they smile when they say it, like faggot and bugger and so on and so on. And the N word, too. Many insults are situation-dependent.

But I'm pretty sure "mishomogyny" isn't a word, unless it refers to dislike of lebians.

Posted by: Shalom

Some redirects are little more than in-jokes. My favorite was "Wikipedia is communism" --> Wikipedia. Prodego nominated with a simple statement: "Come on...". I thought it was funny enough to immortalize in my userspace BJAODN before I deleted it...

Posted by: Meringue

It most indubitably is not acceptable in most parts of England. Where does this Guy hang out? What does he hang out?

Posted by: House of Cards

Very common in Aussie slang, too. But is it entierly necessary to redirect it to [[Gay]]? [[Homophobia]] may have been more appropriate.

Posted by: the fieryangel

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=10792

The page move was protected as being "obvious". I was sure that there are many other "obvious" terms which should be redirected to "gay", "arab", "Catholic", "Italian" etc and it would seem that WP editors felt the same way that I did.

I don't think that JzG is an ultra-macho Church deacon type, since he sings in the choir....I mean, in the first, non-slang, sense of that term, anyway....

Posted by: Random832

I read that as being "it's obvious why it's protected" (i.e. "because people keep making nonsense articles at the title"), not "the term is an obvious synonym".

Posted by: the fieryangel

Many things were obvious in that discussion, which is why the entire thing got over-sighted. It was just too embarrassing for all....

Posted by: Peter Damian

The page doesn't include 'chutney ferret'. Nor 'pilot of the chocolate runway'. Otherwise useful and informative stuff, as always.

[edit] Sorry, [/irony].

Posted by: thekohser

Was that irony or sarcasm?

Posted by: wikiwhistle

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22chutney+ferret%22&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%22pilot+of+the+chocolate+runway%22&btnG=Search&meta=

It exists.