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A Horse With No Name
post Mon 12th October 2009, 8:50pm
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It also means the only people that will run for arbcom as it is now (a) have a rather amazing amount of free time, and (b) are already at the center of the "informal" power web. IOW, it limits the candidates to the small subset of editors for whom Wikipedia=Life. No offense, Luke.


Which is why having impartial, paid professionals who are not Wikipedia editors/admins as arbitrators makes sense. I cannot see how anyone can get a fair hearing under the current regime -- the Law/TU case was really the last straw.

Fair enough, but it sounds like a position that would have rather fast turnover, and you'd again run into the "egalitarian" problem unless you paid the editors as well.


No, the IMDb has paid editors on staff who process new articles, fact check and handle disputes. I am unaware of any turnover. My argument is to divorce Arbcom from the "community" completely -- much the way a police department can never truly police itself, neither can the "community" govern itself.

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One problem is too much workload for a small set (hence the fallout of the never-replied-to unblock appeal by undertow).


That was just plain incompetence. Of course, it could have been a deliberate vindictiveness -- anyone ever consider that?

Occam's Razor says not likely. Every single arbitrator would have to have been in on it. Much easier to just explain it by everyone thinking someone else was handling it and missing that it wasn't handled at all.


Also impossible, considering that Law/TU was contacting Arbcom -- someone had to have noticed the messaging. I suspect that some (perhaps the majority) of people deliberately ignored it out of vindictiveness and some were too inept to do their jobs.
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post Mon 12th October 2009, 9:27pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 12th October 2009, 9:50pm) *
Also impossible, considering that Law/TU was contacting Arbcom -- someone had to have noticed the messaging. I suspect that some (perhaps the majority) of people deliberately ignored it out of vindictiveness and some were too inept to do their jobs.

What Lar said. Never attribute to malice what can equally well be explained by ignorance, incompetence, or stupidity.

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Also impossible, considering that Law/TU was contacting Arbcom -- someone had to have noticed the messaging. I suspect that some (perhaps the majority) of people deliberately ignored it out of vindictiveness and some were too inept to do their jobs.

What Lar said. Never attribute to malice what can equally well be explained by ignorance, incompetence, or stupidity.


Yeah, but that situation would give "stupidity" a bad name! rolleyes.gif
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