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Just a thread to add those subjects where you fully expect there would have been a Wikipedia article about it, but there isn't. Bob Welch songs: * Sentimental Lady* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage) Musical group: * The EbonysLaw firm: * Jackson Lewis (over 500 attorneys)
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I was quite surprised there was not only no article on the NTA Film Network (T-H-L-K-D), there actually was no mention of it, anywhere on Wikipedia (I remedied that last month). Wikipedia's strength is usually in pop culture, so you'd expect some sort of mention of a network with over 100 local stations and a television series which won an early Peabody Award.
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That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation. I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch. I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret Nazi projects during the war? Anyway, he made bitchin' cars. (IMG: http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/metasonix/es15.jpg)
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 26th May 2009, 12:04am) That's a good one. Espenlaub was a somewhat important figure in German aviation. I've got a book about it, it mentions Espenlaub as a coworker with Lippisch. I wonder...was there a bio about him on WP in the past, that someone deleted for bizarre/no reason? Or perhaps because of his involvement with some nasty secret Nazi projects during the war? Anyway, he made bitchin' cars. (IMG: http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/metasonix/es15.jpg) Those post war ones are nice (the one in back looks vaguely jag-etype-ish to me) but the prewar streamliners are very cool (for some reason they reminded me of Zeros due to the way the windows were done). I agree, this is the sort of bio that one would think WP would have.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 26th May 2009, 3:04am) * Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage) Greg, I'd nominate this as the most surprisingly constructive WR thread of the year. It seems like a dream. I've been keeping a similar list of glaring omissions, mostly in plain sight. My favorite observation so far is that WP has no article discussing the interpretations of the notorious "wheel inside a wheel" mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. I'm almost sure von Däniken speculated that the iron chariots of Canaan were fitted with wheels inside wheels, but I can't find a source for this. Apparently he's still alive so there exists an outside chance that I could contact him and get a statement to this effect, maybe an autograph too! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) Next on my list is Simón Radowitzky. I know bat-shit revolutionaries in latin america are a dime a dozen, but this guy was unique being from the Ukraine. He already has a WP article in German, Spanish, and Polish, but not in English. Despite this the enwiki project still maintains the same air of cultish superiority which leaves ignorant readers and editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:55pm) editors believing that la lingua anglofonica leads the wikisphere on every front and is very close to complete. There's little doubt a WP functioning properly would still be in its growth phase even by the lights of the systemic bias of contributors. I have a stack of such articles, but I'm not sure what the point of this thread is except for QUOTE(Casliber @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:30am) Cool! More DYKs a-coming...~~~~
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 26th May 2009, 9:45am) QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:32pm) * Myalgic encephalomyelitis
Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.
Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you. Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus. Beware any document labeled "consensus." That word means there is no consensus, else there would have been no reason to create the document and try to force one. There certainly is none here. As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on. Once upon a time we didn't believe in continental drift, either. Even the guy who first came up with the serious idea for it, had no mechanism. If the mechanism was THAT obvious, how come Wegener didn't propose it? Answer: because it wasn't so obvious. That's progress. Once somebody had the mechanism, it was accepted. We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue." Until it arrives, it will not be accepted science, no matter how many Canadians whine and demand consensus from the rest of the medical world.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 1:41pm) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 5:26pm) There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.
I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called " This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article. It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft. Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool! There is a guy on WP with the moniker of Lugnuts who spends too much time filling in gaps for obscure films. He is one of the better under-the-radar editors out there.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 26th May 2009, 6:45pm) QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:32pm) * Myalgic encephalomyelitis
Then again, its absence is rather exactly what one would expect.
Myalgic encephalomyelitis. The editor with the highest number of edits to it is, er, you. Hmm, that is CFS, not ME. Not that my edits on that article helped, all 217 of them were reverted by the NHS during their case at the UK High Court. This post has been edited by Guido den Broeder:
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:49pm) Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus. I take it that you have not actually read the document. The Canadian consensus definition of ME/CFS (i.e. not of ME or CFS separately!) includes a protocol that describes what research needs to be done. The old Fukuda and Holmes definitions for CFS (we now have Reeves, that is 10 times as many patients) also explicitly state that patients need to be thoroughly medically examined. Obviously, no CFS definition recognizes ME, just like no definition of cancer or of a bicycle does. ME definitions recognize ME. There are UK (Ramsay) and Canadian (Hyde) definitions of ME. QUOTE As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on. It certainly does. Wikipedia otoh only moves backwards. QUOTE We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue." The mechanism of chronic fatigue is well known and has been for quite some time, in part thanks to ME researchers like Behan.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Tue 26th May 2009, 4:55pm) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 12:12pm) Really, you (or someone here) should nominate him for adminship. Unlike the Xeno or Guy Chapman types who do absolutely nothing of value, someone like Lugnuts is a real Net positive who is actually improving content without drama or error. Yep, all he's got to show for 3 years of hard work are a few BSes. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif) That's another charming feature of WP: the slimy backstabbing bastards get all the power and attention, while hardworking editors get nothing but a few thank-yous. (Just like real life.) Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:08pm) Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Yep, and it's just increasing my cynicism to boilover levels. Does he really think all this will be forgiven? Or has he been butt-kissing for months, in preparation for his triumphant return to the Fold of Glory? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif) Hmm, looks like the ultimate atrocity might come to pass. Vote right now is 45-10-3. I've long and vaguely suspected that Alex had a slight Wiki-whoring asshole complex. After seeing this, I'm SURE of it. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 27th May 2009, 3:25am) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:08pm) Oh, you are following the Majorly RfA, too? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Yep, and it's just increasing my cynicism to boilover levels. Does he really think all this will be forgiven? Or has he been butt-kissing for months, in preparation for his triumphant return to the Fold of Glory? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif) Hmm, looks like the ultimate atrocity might come to pass. Vote right now is 45-10-3. I've long and vaguely suspected that Alex had a slight Wiki-whoring asshole complex. After seeing this, I'm SURE of it. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif) Champagne time for you, Eric...the RfA is at 67%. Barring a St. Jude intervention, I suspect Alex won't be mopping up Wikipedia for another six months. This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name:
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 26th May 2009, 6:41pm) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 26th May 2009, 5:26pm) There is no article on the 1974 film version of Simon Gray's "Butley," which was directed by Harold Pinter and starred Alan Bates and Jessica Tandy. That's quite a pop culture gap.
I don't know if anybody else is familiar with a TV network called " This" (seriously), and they don't quite have access to the Ted Turner vault, but they do play a lot of old B-thru-Z-movies I had never heard of. Among the ones I recall watching, most of them lack a WP article. It might be blaxploitation week right now. Yesterday I watched Slaughter starring former football player Jim Brown, and Miami Cops (which more like an urban spaghetti western) starring whatsizname who played Shaft. Fascinating stuff, but where are the wiki-pages? Everybody keeps saying "pop culture" is WP's strong suit... well I pity the fool! Surely, the thing about true "pop culture" is that it only references the pop culture of "Now" - what was the pop culture of yesterday is now so much forgotten news. To re-interpret Andy Warhol, "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes... and then consigned to oblivion as the next 15 minuter gets their go." I had to undo some editors redirect of John Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" article to a disambig page because there appears to be some C&W artist (extremely co-incidently surnamed McCartney, Mr Manager/Songwriter) who is/was having a big hit in those charts with a tune of the same name. In all honesty, the writer was unfamiliar with the Lennon track and wasn't aware of the nature of its origin and when advised wondered if it really was that notable being as Lennon and McCartney were hardly front page news these days... Of course, is my reverence to my pop culture icons obscuring the true worth of articles relating to them?
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QUOTE(LessHorrid vanU @ Fri 29th May 2009, 11:17am) Surely, the thing about true "pop culture" is that it only references the pop culture of "Now" - what was the pop culture of yesterday is now so much forgotten news. To re-interpret Andy Warhol, "In the future everyone will be famous for 15 minutes... and then consigned to oblivion as the next 15 minuter gets their go."
I had to undo some editors redirect of John Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" article to a disambig page because there appears to be some C&W artist (extremely co-incidently surnamed McCartney, Mr Manager/Songwriter) who is/was having a big hit in those charts with a tune of the same name. In all honesty, the writer was unfamiliar with the Lennon track and wasn't aware of the nature of its origin and when advised wondered if it really was that notable being as Lennon and McCartney were hardly front page news these days... Of course, is my reverence to my pop culture icons obscuring the true worth of articles relating to them?
Heh. Not in the news right now, so "not notable". I've experienced the same thing with early television articles. "Never heard of it" seems to mean "not notable", even on articles that are fully referenced to books.
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Fri 29th May 2009, 2:39pm) Theres loads of people on German wikipeida not on the English one. First I hit using random page was Hans Walter Wolff http://www.augsburgfortress.org/store/item...ibutorcode=2414"Hans Walter Wolff is emeritus professor of Old Testament at the University of Heidelberg and the author of many widely used studies." (The links wrong hes dead.) If you die the link should quit working. I keep thinking of George Carlin wanting to know if you die while "on hold," on the phone, if the little light goes out... Seems like it should. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)
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Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960. Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles. All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar. Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.) Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar) Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....) Pixie tube (ditto) Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".) Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959) GrapheconScan converters (a variety of designs) Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.) Sheet-beam tubeSquare-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers) There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest. I'll probably think of others later. Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects. This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions. Why don't I add the articles? Why should I, when some teenage RPGer will just go in and wreck them a few weeks later? You do it. And finally....... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)
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Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after. oh, and of course we have a trivia section in the college article, unsourced as usual: QUOTE The current principal, Neil Hopkins is now the only principal not to have a building in the college named after him, and instead the landfill site in front of the Northbrook building which was demolished has been affectionately called Hopkins' Hump.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 1st June 2009, 5:16pm) In Wikipedia's List of banks, there are no banks from the United States listed. Thirteen banks from Botswana listed, but none from the USA. Ah, well we're just " countering systemic bias" obviously. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) No, the real answer, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=historyIt was split off into a separate list of U.S. banks, which was denounced as list-cruft because it almost numbered over 9,000. Thus it was "merged" to [[Banking in the United States]] (without salvaging any part of the list). Pretty stupid if you ask me.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 31st May 2009, 5:42am) Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960. Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles. All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar. Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.) Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar) Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....) Pixie tube (ditto) Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".) Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959) GrapheconScan converters (a variety of designs) Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.) Sheet-beam tubeSquare-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers) There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest. I'll probably think of others later. Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects. This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions. Gives the lie to the apologists who claim that the declining number of active wikipedia editors is because there are no more articles to be written.
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Tue 2nd June 2009, 4:11am) QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 31st May 2009, 5:42am) Lots of special-purpose vacuum tubes were made, mostly between WWII and 1960. Most of them aren't on Wikipedia, except (at most) as passing mentions in related articles. All of these were historically significant, many were used in early digital computers or radar. Phasitron (in the 1950s, most of the FM broadcast transmitters in America used one.) Zahl Tube (very important in early development of radar) Trochotron (only mentioned in the Nixie tube article because I put it there long ago....) Pixie tube (ditto) Orbital-beam tube (mentioned in the Secondary Emission article, only because I put it there. Three of them were in the SCR-270 radar that gave early warning of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941. I would call that "historically significant".) Radechon (used as memory in the Rice R1 computer of 1959) GrapheconScan converters (a variety of designs) Alphechon (one of the world's rarest collectible tubes--used as memory in RCA's Spectra 70 computer system display terminals, all of which were junked in 1970-72.) Sheet-beam tubeSquare-law tube (extremely rare item, used only in tube analog computers) There's an article about Robert von Lieben, but it barely mentions the amplifying tube he invented, at about the same time as deForest. I'll probably think of others later. Plus there were two monostable-multivibrator circuits often seen in early computers, that were tube-only: the sanatron and the phantastron. This guy is using a phantastron circuit for musical sound effects. This is a pathetic list. Lots of errors and thousands of omissions. Gives the lie to the apologists who claim that the declining number of active wikipedia editors is because there are no more articles to be written. Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up. Cas
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I'd like to add " Dilettante Chocolates" to the mix. 127,000 Google hits63 news stories And a fascinating corporate history dating back to 1898, including a royal appointment to the Imperial Court of Emperor Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary. Also, as a Seattle-based company now, you'd think there would have been plenty of tech-savvy Seattle WikiNerds who'd have been eager to big up a local enterprise.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 23rd June 2009, 12:01am) I'd like to add " Dilettante Chocolates" to the mix. 127,000 Google hits63 news stories And a fascinating corporate history dating back to 1898, including a royal appointment to the Imperial Court of Emperor Franz Josef I, Emperor of Austria, King of Hungary. Also, as a Seattle-based company now, you'd think there would have been plenty of tech-savvy Seattle WikiNerds who'd have been eager to big up a local enterprise. Gosh, never heard of them, but I am in Oz...well, more to the DYK queue one day...
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Mon 1st June 2009, 8:42pm) QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Sun 31st May 2009, 10:53pm) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Sun 31st May 2009, 9:48pm) Peter Symonds - You would think some student at Peter Symonds College would have created at least a stub about the person the school is named after. I'm sure User:PeterSymonds can handle that. Provided that he doesn't allow someone to get a hold of his password and play around with the mop again. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/unsure.gif) Should I care whether the article is in fact ghost-written by Steve Crossin? Just get it done someway.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Fri 26th June 2009, 1:58am) I was really surprised to find hardly anything about the Gros Horloge in Rouen. It's a well known tourist attraction, and I have an old illustration of it inherited from my father, still hanging in the hall. There is an article in the French Wikipedia http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gros_Horlogebut nothing in the English version. And reminds me of something important about encylopedias. They should aim to be about the stuff that is far away from us, in location, in time, in culture. Why? Because the stuff nearby is easy to find. We get a reference work for the stuff that is hard to find. But Wikipedia represents mostly North American teenage culture. I loved Rouen - another article to-do. Thanks for the tip Peter (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif)
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QUOTE(Casliber @ Mon 1st June 2009, 5:00pm) Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up. Cas And with that, I am now certain that you are a fool. A Wiki-fool. "Blueing up" those items will require a lot of very specialized arcane knowledge. Which you, as a nerd hunched over a PC in Australia, will have some difficulty obtaining. Would you like to try? I can offer suggestions....... Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association? Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s. (No, it's not available online.) Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history, such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines. Ever been to the Computer History Museum? Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes. Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online. Yeah, there are two old tech articles about the Alphechon available online from republishers. They don't say anything about how the Alphechon was actually used. One of the TCA members actually owns an Alphechon--probably the only one in existence today. (Poking Cas is just too easy. I feel as if I'm committing unsportsmanlike behaviour.)
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 29th June 2009, 9:38am) QUOTE(Casliber @ Mon 1st June 2009, 5:00pm) Absolutely, you don't have to go far before finding a swathe of redlinks to blue up. Cas And with that, I am now certain that you are a fool. A Wiki-fool. "Blueing up" those items will require a lot of very specialized arcane knowledge. Which you, as a nerd hunched over a PC in Australia, will have some difficulty obtaining. Would you like to try? I can offer suggestions....... Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association? Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s. (No, it's not available online.) Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history, such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines. Ever been to the Computer History Museum? Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes. Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online. Yeah, there are two old tech articles about the Alphechon available online from republishers. They don't say anything about how the Alphechon was actually used. One of the TCA members actually owns an Alphechon--probably the only one in existence today. (Poking Cas is just too easy. I feel as if I'm committing unsportsmanlike behaviour.) I absolutely agree - one doesn't have to go far before one finds a subject for which information freely accessible online can be described as meagre at best. Just about every Featured Article and Good Article I have written has required some thumbing through...real-live paper books!!! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif) PS: Being a Tube COllector reminds me of 'get your valves' in the movie Brazil for some reason... This post has been edited by Casliber:
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Mon 29th June 2009, 12:38am) Are you a member of the Tube Collector's Association? Because if you're looking for references for such articles, you will NEED to be a TCA member, or have other access to their magazine--the only publication in the world to run features about certain of those tubes, since the 1950s. (No, it's not available online.) Not to mention other resources dealing with radio and computer history, such as the AWA Journal and old textbooks and trade magazines. Ever been to the Computer History Museum? Their collection would be essential for reference material about computing tubes. Can't do it all with Google. Don't even dream about looking online. Yes but if its not online then by wikilogic it fails WP:V. No doubt there are others here who have given references to published books and told thats no good other editors cant find the book.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 25th May 2009, 11:04pm) Just a thread to add those subjects where you fully expect there would have been a Wikipedia article about it, but there isn't. Bob Welch songs: * Sentimental Lady* Hypnotized (the one made famous by Fleetwood Mac) (not this garbage) Let's see how this goes over.
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Hawkesyard After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user by adding the article on Osmund Lewry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmund_Lewry, I did a little research on the unlinked place called 'Hawkesyard Priory' where Lewry taught in the 1960's and it turns out there is no article on Hawkesyard. There are plenty of articles where it could be linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...fulltext=Search and it is a beautiful place http://www.nbsanity.me.uk/images/Calendar%...es/Image10.html http://fiveprime.org/hivemind/Tags/hawkesyardbut there is nothing about the priory itself. Even the article on the village (Armitage, Rugeley County Staffordshire) where it is located does not mention it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmitageThere is an article about Armitage Park where it is located http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armitage_Park, but this does not mention its correct name: 'Hawkesyard Priory' http://two.archiseek.com/archives/1855. Nor is there an article about the building that formerly occupied the grounds, Hawkesyard Hall. There is no article about the architect, Edward Goldie, who was the son of George Goldie, although there is an article about his father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Goldie_(architect) . This problem is not isolated. The Wikipedia article on monastic houses in Staffordshire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monas...n_Staffordshire shows how many redlinks there are. People who say that Wikipedia is in its 'saturation phase' are only correct relative to the universe of possible articles about Britney Spears. Relative to the universe of old priories, medieval philosophers, English villages, and so on, Wikipedia is mostly empty. [edit] There is an excellent list here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnArma...ork_in_progressby John Armagh, who deserves a medal of some sort. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnArmagh Interesting that, unless he has hidden them, Armagh has no barnstar of any sort on his page. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Wed 27th May 2009, 12:48am) QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 26th May 2009, 7:49pm) Yes, and Guido is spinning it as a giant WP conspiracy, when it in fact it really must be spun as a Canada vs. (UK and US) conspiracy, since the UK and US definitions don't recognize "myalgic encephalomyelitis." Worse still the "consensus document" from Canada about ME is symptom-driven: objective tests are not needed criteria. This is despite what you'll read on ME websites which claim that there are objective tests for ME. Even Canada recognizes none. So much for THAT consensus. I take it that you have not actually read the document. The Canadian consensus definition of ME/CFS (i.e. not of ME or CFS separately!) includes a protocol that describes what research needs to be done. The old Fukuda and Holmes definitions for CFS (we now have Reeves, that is 10 times as many patients) also explicitly state that patients need to be thoroughly medically examined. Obviously, no CFS definition recognizes ME, just like no definition of cancer or of a bicycle does. ME definitions recognize ME. There are UK (Ramsay) and Canadian (Hyde) definitions of ME. QUOTE As for the giant conspiracy which covers up something that the WHO believed in, in 1969, well, science moves on. It certainly does. Wikipedia otoh only moves backwards. QUOTE We're still waiting for the mechanism of "chronic fatigue." The mechanism of chronic fatigue is well known and has been for quite some time, in part thanks to ME researchers like Behan. Sorry, missed all this before. The interesting thing here is that the WHO DOES recognised Myaligic Encephalomyelitis as a neurological disorder (since 1969). The term DOES have a history of use (including it's dismissal by two psychs who never saw any of the patients of the Royal Free epidemic). It is a term over which there is controversy. Whatever Milton's view of the WHO's recognition (trivialising) or anybody's view of the illness, it SHOULD be notable enough for a separate page detailing the term. What actually happened was that JFW, very soon after the debacle on the Simon Wessely page leading to me being defamed then 'excommunicated' by the God-King himself , nominated a perfectly good article that Guido had composed for deletion, and various others chimed in. If the general public look up Myalgic Encephalomyelitis, then they should be able to see where the term came from, especially as there is some confusion as to 'CFS's relationship to 'ME' with regard to WHO. I don't know who 'Tekaphor' is (he edits the CFS and Wessely pages), but one thing he said struck with me, basically along the lines of, as soon as people try to sort out problems on the CFS page, they get metaphorical eyerolling and some lame-arsed comments about "'well everything is physical anyway". Again, I don't think WP has the infrastructure to deal with sublety and complexity- so I'd rather CFS was a short stub (and ME), and other subjects, because the damage to real-world people by ideologically driven edit-warring is absurd, yet serious.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 19th September 2009, 4:38am) Hawkesyard After Gregory Kohs kindly proxied for a banned user by adding the article on Osmund Lewry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osmund_Lewry, I did a little research on the unlinked place called 'Hawkesyard Priory' where Lewry taught in the 1960's and it turns out there is no article on Hawkesyard. There are plenty of articles where it could be linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...fulltext=Search and it is a beautiful place Here's what I don't understand, Peter. At this point, you really ought to have given up trying to assist Wikipedia, and you ought to start assisting yourself. My suggestion: (1) Get yourself a Google AdSense account. (2) Create the world's most comprehensive collective directory of abbeys and priories on Wikipedia Review, similar to what you've done with the Logic Museum. (3) License it as "all rights reserved", so that Wikipedia can't thieve your work. (4) Sit back and collect the AdSense revenue, or be more proactive and contact the local tourism boards or chambers of commerce of the towns near these institutions and sell them customized advertising space. (5) Every 12 or 18 months or so, you may be getting a $100 check from Google. Take your wife out to a nice dinner, and laugh about how silly Wikipedia was for forcing you to have taken your intellectual contributions to another venue. You've already thoroughly proven your point (and may continue to do so) on Wikipedia subjects that are not so wide-open and ripe for advertising support. Travel, tourism, history, beautiful buildings on beautiful grounds. Don't let this one fall into your basket of "I'll show Wikipedia a thing or two".
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QUOTE(Guido den Broeder @ Sat 19th September 2009, 1:00pm) Yes, WP being what it is, there is no hope that it will ever be able to deal with users that purposely spread misinformation, so a short stub would be way better.
JFW is employed by the NHS in England and therefore attempts to push that horrible NICE guideline.
Needless to say, that this giant conflict of interest has not been declared by this user...
To be honest Guido, I don't think being an NHS employee per se will necessarily guarantee support of any NICE Guidelines. However, JFW has a very obvious ideologically- driven POV at the very least on illnesses like 'CFS' or 'ME' (though there are others), on controversial doctors, on uppity patients and their advocates etc. If one looks through his comments on talk pages and his edits over the years (or even relatively recently) it can clearly be seen. I have no idea whether he is a meatpuppet for 'vested interests' or not. However I feel confident that it can be demonstrated that he has an extremely problematic ideological standpoint on at least some subjects, and commits blatantly partisan behaviour on Wikipedia, and he doesn't get called on it. The likes of you or I Guido however, openly and honestly expressive of our Conflicts of Interest, have been hounded and libelled. What is of particular concern for me is the way JFW uses his doctor status (actually a junior doctor who has been also reprimanded by the GMC after a patient died) to claim expertise and authority on Wikipedia (though others do that for him also), in order to wage POV wars etc. I think people like JFW represent the problems around claimed 'expertise' on Wikipedia, how easily an assumed air of authority will bamboozle people, how claims to expertise get subjected to games of trumps etc in the power struggle to win 'the game' of truth-claiming, and how such complex issues can never be addressed successfully on Wikipedia. I'm very rarely a person who says 'never'- and yet I cannot see WP ever being able to resolve these issues.
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Oh even better: Columnba Ryan is now up for deletion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columba_Ryanbecause it was written by a 'banned user'. Patrick Ryan, son of Sir Andrew Ryan (himself an interesting character, British diplomat, spy, present at the early days of the House of Saud), brother of John Ryan whom everyone of my generation is familiar with from 'Captain Pugwash', and himself an influential teacher who was mentor to Geach and Anscombe, McDermott (translator of Aquinas). But not notable enough for Wikipedia and in any case the article was written by a 'banned user'. How much more of a farce can this be? [edit] Ironically, Triplestop is on some stupid 'article creation' project. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=314927344Ah yes this explains it. 'Triplestop' has no brain. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...top&namespace=0This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 19th September 2009, 8:46pm) unclear antecedent for "this project".
I understand. Yes, it is all being carefully documented http://www.wikipediareview.com/Directory:The_Wik...#Other_accountsAnd here you do show a particle of sense. QUOTE (cur) (prev) 19:50, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) (3,106 bytes) (Null edit. At first glance this seems a reasonable article, sourced to reliable sources, about a person who's notable enough to get an obit in the London Times. Not a valid speedy) (undo) Yes, the obit in the Times should have been a clue for 'TripleStop'. As also was the fact he taught some highly influential and important living philosophers. the problem is, Lar, that while you and I have our disagreements, you are like Thatcher one of the 'old guard' who have some judgment and are able to see when to follow the rules, and when to turn a blind eye for the good of the project (Wikipedia I mean). This new lot are really just barbarians. Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing. This post has been edited by Peter Damian:
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 19th September 2009, 3:54pm) QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 19th September 2009, 8:46pm) unclear antecedent for "this project".
I understand. Yes, it is all being carefully documented http://www.wikipediareview.com/Directory:The_Wik...#Other_accountsOh. THAT project. I thought maybe you meant the work of countless doughty and dauntless Wikipedia volunteers there for a second. Silly me. "Do you support this project or not?" - Obviously not. QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 19th September 2009, 3:54pm) And here you do show a particle of sense. QUOTE (cur) (prev) 19:50, 19 September 2009 Lar (talk | contribs) (3,106 bytes) (Null edit. At first glance this seems a reasonable article, sourced to reliable sources, about a person who's notable enough to get an obit in the London Times. Not a valid speedy) (undo) Yes, the obit in the Times should have been a clue for 'TripleStop'. As also was the fact he taught some highly influential and important living philosophers. Sorry about that.
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 19th September 2009, 3:54pm) Thanks for saving the Ryan article anyway. You know I really care about that sort of thing.
That's the part I don't get. If you've been as hard done by as you think, why give the (wikipedia) project your efforts? What satisfaction do you derive? I'd have found a new hobby by now, were I you. A good part of what keeps me around is that it's fun to work on articles like this one: Rika's Landing Roadhouse or this one: Alaska Road Commission ... certainly not 'important' in the grand scheme of things but fun to write, and useful. I think they are anyway... But if SV et al had succeeded in their smear campaign last year I would have downed tools and found a new hobby. Maybe I shouldn't admit that, but there it is. QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Sat 19th September 2009, 3:59pm) QUOTE(Lar @ Sat 19th September 2009, 8:57pm) Oh. THAT project. I thought maybe you meant the work of countless doughty and dauntless Wikipedia volunteers there for a second. Silly me.
Who are these? Where are the articles? This thread is about all the articles that are missing in Wikipedia. The editors who have written the 3M plus articles that WP does have.
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