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Alison
post Thu 17th January 2008, 3:29am
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Brion had to get involved. Apparently, now there's a revisions cap of 5,000 entries on deleting files.


Does this mean that articles with more than 5,000 revisions are undeleteable, or does it mean the "Delete" key will only affect the most recent 5,000 revisions on said article?

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As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.
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post Thu 17th January 2008, 4:54am
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QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 10:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 7:22pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 6:57pm) *

Brion had to get involved. Apparently, now there's a revisions cap of 5,000 entries on deleting files.


Does this mean that articles with more than 5,000 revisions are undeleteable, or does it mean the "Delete" key will only affect the most recent 5,000 revisions on said article?

Greg


As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.


Well, that gives me a beautiful idea, then.

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post Thu 17th January 2008, 6:00am
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 8:54pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 10:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 7:22pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 6:57pm) *

Brion had to get involved. Apparently, now there's a revisions cap of 5,000 entries on deleting files.


Does this mean that articles with more than 5,000 revisions are undeleteable, or does it mean the "Delete" key will only affect the most recent 5,000 revisions on said article?

Greg


As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.


Well, that gives me a beautiful idea, then.

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blink.gif Eh-oh! sad.gif What have I said ....
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post Thu 17th January 2008, 2:26pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 1:00am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 8:54pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 10:29pm) *


As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.


Well, that gives me a beautiful idea, then. wink.gif


blink.gif Eh-oh! sad.gif What have I said ....


Now you've went and done it...
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post Thu 17th January 2008, 2:36pm
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QUOTE(Lar @ Thu 17th January 2008, 9:26am) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 1:00am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 8:54pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 10:29pm) *


As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.


Well, that gives me a beautiful idea, then. wink.gif


blink.gif Eh-oh! sad.gif What have I said ....


Now you've went and done it...


I just need about 500 accomplices willing to put in 10 edits worth of time, in assigned 3-minute shifts. In 24 hours, my team of 500 could permanently install an article in Wikipedia, FOREVER!

Ha ha... you can't delete Carolyn Bothwell Doran, because it has 5,000 edits now!

Muuuwahhh-ha-haah-haaaaaah ! ! !
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th January 2008, 6:36am) *

QUOTE(Lar @ Thu 17th January 2008, 9:26am) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 1:00am) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 16th January 2008, 8:54pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Wed 16th January 2008, 10:29pm) *


As I understand it, MediaWiki will display an error message, so I guess those files are now beyond the remit of the average admin now.


Well, that gives me a beautiful idea, then. wink.gif


blink.gif Eh-oh! sad.gif What have I said ....


Now you've went and done it...


I just need about 500 accomplices willing to put in 10 edits worth of time, in assigned 3-minute shifts. In 24 hours, my team of 500 could permanently install an article in Wikipedia, FOREVER!

Ha ha... you can't delete Carolyn Bothwell Doran, because it has 5,000 edits now!

Muuuwahhh-ha-haah-haaaaaah ! ! !


*ahem* - sorry now to throw a spanner in the works an' all, but there's the small matter of page protection. I suspect also that Brion will come up with a mechanism for getting around the problem.

BTW - I've not seen anyone discussing the new MediaWiki feature re. being able to protect a non-existent page without using cascade protection (or SALTing). It's possible now to make any redlink uneditable by just clicking the 'protect' option.
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post Thu 17th January 2008, 3:42pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 10:36am) *

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I just need about 500 accomplices willing to put in 10 edits worth of time, in assigned 3-minute shifts. In 24 hours, my team of 500 could permanently install an article in Wikipedia, FOREVER!

Ha ha... you can't delete Carolyn Bothwell Doran, because it has 5,000 edits now!

Muuuwahhh-ha-haah-haaaaaah ! ! !


*ahem* - sorry now to throw a spanner in the works an' all, but there's the small matter of page protection. I suspect also that Brion will come up with a mechanism for getting around the problem.

BTW - I've not seen anyone discussing the new MediaWiki feature re. being able to protect a non-existent page without using cascade protection (or SALTing). It's possible now to make any redlink uneditable by just clicking the 'protect' option.


Neat feature, that... arrrr! I just need about 500 accomplices willing to put in 10 article blocks worth of time, in assigned 3-minute shifts. In 24 hours, my team of 500 could permanently prevent Greg's minions from creating 5000 different articles, while they only managed to prevent the deletion of ONE! Only 4,995,000 more articles to go and WP would be permanently safe from his depredations.

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Surely there are easier ways to game the system for fun and profit.
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Surely there are easier ways to game the system for fun and profit.


[/tongue-in-cheek scheme]
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th January 2008, 11:04am) *

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Surely there are easier ways to game the system for fun and profit.


[/tongue-in-cheek scheme]


...although the idea of a "vandal tree" might be worth further discrete consideration.
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Arrange with your friendly local botnet owner to command his botnet to request history lists of much-edited articles. Each request is for 5000 edit histories. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I saw a botnet hitting my large site for a five-minute session, once per day on three consecutive days. I'm convinced it was merely a non-malicious test, because it never happened again. There were over 500 different IP addresses from all over the world that hit my site during each of those five-minute periods. I could tell it was a botnet because each request was of a similar nature.
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post Thu 17th January 2008, 7:25pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 4:36pm) *

*ahem* - sorry now to throw a spanner in the works an' all, but there's the small matter of page protection. I suspect also that Brion will come up with a mechanism for getting around the problem.


If Brion does not come up with something fast, this thing will be abused. Save early and save often. Save every new sentence. Save every spelling mistake you correct. Who would see any malice in that? Just get that article to 5000 edits and it is beyond deletionism.
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Surely Brion has done nothing he can't get round. He can delete the article. No doubt there will soon be a new type of privileged user (superdeleter?)

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Look! Down in the code! It's a scam! It's a pain! It's Superdeleter!

Faster than a screaming troll. More powerful than a Lego Brick. Able to leak all secrets in a single blog. And who, disguised as mild mannered hacker for the Wikiplanet, fights a never-ending battle for truthiness, cultiness, and the Wikian way.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 17th January 2008, 8:36am) *

I just need about 500 accomplices willing to put in 10 edits worth of time, in assigned 3-minute shifts. In 24 hours, my team of 500 could permanently install an article in Wikipedia, FOREVER!

Ha ha... you can't delete Carolyn Bothwell Doran, because it has 5,000 edits now!

Muuuwahhh-ha-haah-haaaaaah ! ! !

I'm In.... mail me..
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QUOTE(Alison @ Thu 17th January 2008, 3:36pm) *

*ahem* - sorry now to throw a spanner in the works an' all, but there's the small matter of page protection. I suspect also that Brion will come up with a mechanism for getting around the problem.

BTW - I've not seen anyone discussing the new MediaWiki feature re. being able to protect a non-existent page without using cascade protection (or SALTing). It's possible now to make any redlink uneditable by just clicking the 'protect' option.


Oh, so why not redirect the 5,000 edit article to a redlink - and protect/salt it? Who needs Brion?
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A 500 member botnet is reliatively small. Big ones get ino the tens of thousands millions: http://www.techweb.com/wire/security/172303160 .

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