Manipulation of BLPs, now open Options Rating

[radek]

<snip> For example, opinions about living persons, by other persons living or no, may not belong in BLPs. <snip>

That's not actually what BLP policy says. For example, some opinions of David Duke or David Irving by others certainly belong in the respective articles - just not any old opinions. In fact even for boring ol' researchers that no one's heard of, criticism of their research by others certainly belongs in the respective article (in some cases its inclusion is essential for neutrality). It's just that all of this has to come from "high quality sources" and if there's a question as to a source's reliability then one should err on the side of caution. And attribute.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

[No one of consequence]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

John and Kiril have been silent for a while. I wonder if the Arbs are discussing this on the mailing list, trying to come up with a coherent plan of action here. (I don't suppose Malice has current list access? Oh well.)

This post has been edited by No one of consequence: Fri 5th August 2011, 3:29am

[EricBarbour]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

John and Kiril have been silent for a while. I wonder if the Arbs are discussing this on the mailing list, trying to come up with a coherent plan of action here. (I don't suppose Malice has current list access? Oh well.

McWhiney should have been banned years ago. You know it and I know it and everyone
on this forum knows it.

So here's the rub: I predict that Arbcom will flop around like a dead fish for a few weeks,
and someone will close the case as "unresolved" or slap his wrist ever-so-lightly.

They are only "useful" when the miscreant has no extra-sleazy admin buds to back him up.
That should be posted on the top of the arbcom page, if there is any truth in advertising.

[NuclearWarfare]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

John and Kiril have been silent for a while. I wonder if the Arbs are discussing this on the mailing list, trying to come up with a coherent plan of action here. (I don't suppose Malice has current list access? Oh well.

McWhiney should have been banned years ago. You know it and I know it and everyone
on this forum knows it.

So here's the rub: I predict that Arbcom will flop around like a dead fish for a few weeks,
and someone will close the case as "unresolved" or slap his wrist ever-so-lightly.

They are only "useful" when the miscreant has no extra-sleazy admin buds to back him up.
That should be posted on the top of the arbcom page, if there is any truth in advertising.

Wait, who is McWhiney?

[The Adversary]

Wait, who is McWhiney?

Look it up on the Hive-Mind (Hersh missed an "m", though)

[Milton Roe]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

John and Kiril have been silent for a while. I wonder if the Arbs are discussing this on the mailing list, trying to come up with a coherent plan of action here. (I don't suppose Malice has current list access? Oh well.

McWhiney should have been banned years ago. You know it and I know it and everyone
on this forum knows it.

So here's the rub: I predict that Arbcom will flop around like a dead fish for a few weeks,
and someone will close the case as "unresolved" or slap his wrist ever-so-lightly.

They are only "useful" when the miscreant has no extra-sleazy admin buds to back him up.
That should be posted on the top of the arbcom page, if there is any truth in advertising.

Wait, who is McWhiney?

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Will_McWhinney_Jr.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Wait, who is McWhiney?

Look it up on the Hive-Mind (Hersh missed an "m", though)

I beg your pardon?

[The Adversary]

Wait, who is McWhiney?

Look it up on the Hive-Mind (Hersh missed an "m", though)

I beg your pardon?

My bad! Sorry for my lacking English; I didn´t get the pun at once.
Now back to school.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mine.

[Milton Roe]

Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mine.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course. I knew Mr. Ed. Mister Ed was a friend of mine. And Will is no Mr. Ed.

[Cla68]

Will is clearly hoping to shape the way the case is heard.

The sheer scale of the anti-cult, anti-demogogue, and other activist activity that Will has been involved with over the years in Wikipedia will take a lot more than 500 words and 50 diffs to show in an evidence section. I get the sense that WP's administration is just waiting for someone to put it all together to justify a topic ban for Will on everything but basket weaving and Norteño music (no offense to the editors who edit those topics).

Incredibly, he's still at it, even when facing an ArbCom case clearly requested with him in mind. When this sketchy BLP material was removed from the LaRouche article, Will immediately added it to a another LaRouche article. His attempts to manipulate the ArbCom case remind me a lot of how Mantanmoreland used to act whenever admin spotlight was shown on his actions.

[No one of consequence]

Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mine.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course. I knew Mr. Ed. Mister Ed was a friend of mine. And Will is no Mr. Ed.

OT, but WTF is that?

[A Horse With No Name]

OT, but WTF is that?

It's my brother-in-law.

[Jagärdu]

Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mine.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course. I knew Mr. Ed. Mister Ed was a friend of mine. And Will is no Mr. Ed.

OT, but WTF is that?

A seahorse, of course.

[Jagärdu]

So here's the rub: I predict that Arbcom will flop around like a dead fish for a few weeks,
and someone will close the case as "unresolved" or slap his wrist ever-so-lightly.

They are only "useful" when the miscreant has no extra-sleazy admin buds to back him up.
That should be posted on the top of the arbcom page, if there is any truth in advertising.

That sounds about right. This case isn't just going nowhere it already has gone nowhere. Note the confusion around its drafting (which remains), the feet dragging to get it going, and once it did get going the case was graced with a newbie posting evidence right off the bat. Nobody seems concerned about this one, including the otherwise ever so mindful HersfoldArbClerkBot. But in all seriousness how likely is it that this person also contributes here? Congratulations whoever you are ...

This post has been edited by Jagärdu: Fri 5th August 2011, 1:50pm

[Vigilant]

This is shaping up as a standard arbcom matter with a popular (in some circles) senior editor.

Cirt has gone to ground and hasn't edited since July 25. He'll stay quiet until about a month after the arbcom cases are over. Arbcom will get played with the, "but Cirt hasn't edited..it's just not fair to pass judgement...I sure hope he doesn't leave...we should just close these cases while doing nothing..." card.

It's so often repeated it's gone beyond a cliche.

I would venture a guess that there is an implicit arrangement, a hidden social contract, wherein the editor in trouble goes away for a bit and the arbcom can play a bit ignorant and the problem just ... goes ... away.

The editor doesn't get any severe sanctions for showing up and arguing (creating drama and strife are always bad) and the arbcom doesn't have to be the big meanie (aka, do their fucking job for a change) and everyone who matters (not the great unwashed masses, heaven forbid) walks away satisfied by the kabuki theater.

That's where my money is.

[Jagärdu]

Cirt has gone to ground and hasn't edited since July 25. He'll stay quiet until about a month after the arbcom cases are over. Arbcom will get played with the, "but Cirt hasn't edited..it's just not fair to pass judgement...I sure hope he doesn't leave...we should just close these cases while doing nothing..." card.

So what you're saying is that Cirt is Cbrick77. Ding, ding, ding.

Wouldn't that be fun.

This post has been edited by Jagärdu: Fri 5th August 2011, 3:56pm

[Jagärdu]

This is shaping up as a standard arbcom matter with a popular (in some circles) senior editor.

Cirt has gone to ground and hasn't edited since July 25. He'll stay quiet until about a month after the arbcom cases are over. Arbcom will get played with the, "but Cirt hasn't edited..it's just not fair to pass judgement...I sure hope he doesn't leave...we should just close these cases while doing nothing..." card.

It's so often repeated it's gone beyond a cliche.

I would venture a guess that there is an implicit arrangement, a hidden social contract, wherein the editor in trouble goes away for a bit and the arbcom can play a bit ignorant and the problem just ... goes ... away.

The editor doesn't get any severe sanctions for showing up and arguing (creating drama and strife are always bad) and the arbcom doesn't have to be the big meanie (aka, do their fucking job for a change) and everyone who matters (not the great unwashed masses, heaven forbid) walks away satisfied by the kabuki theater.

That's where my money is.

So is Cirt just laying low, or is he starting to develop a new account like he did when he switched over from Smee? I mean maybe his life is in danger again. I'm still not certain I believe it ever was. Malice, aren't there any emails from the list discussing Cirt's off wiki problems when he was Smee? There just has to be.

[Milton Roe]

Ach, so. But it was EricBarbour's pun, not mine.

A horse is a horse, of course, of course. I knew Mr. Ed. Mister Ed was a friend of mine. And Will is no Mr. Ed.

OT, but WTF is that?

A seahorse, of course.

Something definitely fishy about it for sure.