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Because Wikipedia was lacking dramah.

Is there a point to any of this?
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 12:56pm) *
Because Wikipedia was lacking dramah.

Is there a point to any of this?

No, but it is hilarious. Sorta. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yak.gif)

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Regarding "On [failing to adhere to the standard of decorum expected of administrators] I've served my sentence, in that I was taken to the woodshed by ArbCom, so why should I be punished again now?", in my opinion the fact that you're apparently treating this whole process as one big joke shows that the lesson clearly hasn't sunk in. Wikipedia now isn't the Wikipedia of five years ago, made up of a relatively close-knit community who mostly knew each other and shared each other's in-jokes; it's a loose-knit global community of around 40,000 occasional editors and 4,000 regulars, and what was appropriate then isn't appropriate now; not in an editor and certainly not in an admin. Like it or not, WP:NOBIGDEAL is a thing of the past and those 8,000 new editors joining each month do look to admins as role models; crap like this is never going to be appropriate any more. Resign, and come back in six months if you find you actually miss adminship; I'll lay a reasonable bet that you'll find you don't. – iridescent 16:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

You're being too reasonable, dear. Hero's been a smarmy twat ever since he first logged in. And that recall page ought to be an embarrassment to Wikipedia, yet hardly anyone even looks at it.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 9:44pm) *

You're being too reasonable, dear. Hero's been a smarmy twat ever since he first logged in. And that recall page ought to be an embarrassment to Wikipedia, yet hardly anyone even looks at it.

Re-read what I wrote, it was worded quite carefully. Wikipedia five years ago was a bunch of nerds and weirdos sharing crappy in-jokes and maintaining a shitty website that nobody read, and people like this fit right in. Wikipedia now (whether you think it's a good or a bad thing) is full of kids and casual visitors who aren't steeped in net-nerd culture, maintaining a still-shitty website that lots of people read. The kind of fuckwittery that was acceptable five years ago, since nobody gave a shit, is no longer appropriate. The vast majority of Wikipedia's "problem" admins are members of this pre-2006 old guard, fighting to maintain their status in a culture where they're increasingly out of place.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 1:50pm) *
The kind of fuckwittery that was acceptable five years ago, since nobody gave a shit, is no longer appropriate. The vast majority of Wikipedia's "problem" admins are members of this pre-2006 old guard, fighting to maintain their status in a culture where they're increasingly out of place.

Absolutely well-said.

(Did you read this? Does that not scream "smarmy twit" or what?)

Perhaps I should tiptoe around Herostratus, he being damaged goods.

My ultimate point: he's not the only one getting away with it. Clearly, Wikipedia has an ingrained culture of smarminess and assholery. By all means, recall Herostratus, if you can. His recall has attracted some of the worst of WP's admin freak-show, people like Cirt and Stifle. If sanity prevailed, THEY should be recalled, too. And so should a long list of other smarmy twits, who have had the Magic Admin Fairy Wand too damned long.

Here's a WP: BOLD idea for ya. If WP was run by reasonable people, adminship would be a short-term position, perhaps for two years or thereabouts. Even American Congressmen, despite a general systemic tendency to be reelected automatically, still have to re-run for the seat every two years.

But nooooo.......adminship is a lifetime appointment. So, nerds and crackpots vote each other into the club for life.
Great idea! Guarantees quality! [/sarcasm]

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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 2:04pm) *

But nooooo.......adminship is a lifetime appointment. So, nerds and crackpots vote each other into the club for life.
Great idea! Guarantees quality! [/sarcasm]

And Caesar was granted the title "Dictator for Life..."

It might even change the culture a bit if they called these positions what they are, which is Administrator for Life.

At present, I think it's only partly power-hunger that keeps the present beaurocracy in place. Yes, of course Stifle and his ilk knows he'd never survive "re-election." The other part of it, though, is shear laziness. The site creaks along on a couple of thousand admins who mostly spend their time doing work a machine could do for them (although the new weak version of flagged revisions, I predict will spread and become the norm, eventually). They're short-handed as it is, and don't quite know what to do about it. If everything turned over every two years, it would just add that much work to the thing.

They're in sort of a tough bind. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 8:56pm) *

Because Wikipedia was lacking dramah.

Is there a point to any of this?

And frighteningly it's 11/8/6. Thus the early signs are that plenty of people might want herostratus to be an admin. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) Of course, a lot can happen in seven days ...
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Support: If for no other reason than to offset Cirt's stupidity below. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


For those of you who don't read Hollywood Reporter, McBride was recently cast as Prof. Phineas J. Whoopie in the upcoming live-action feature film based on "Tennessee Tuxedo." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)
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Support: If for no other reason than to offset Cirt's stupidity below. --MZMcBride (talk) 16:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
For those of you who don't read Hollywood Reporter, McBride was recently cast as Prof. Phineas J. Whoopie in the upcoming live-action feature film based on "Tennessee Tuxedo." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)
Jesus, if you're going to insult someone, at least include a YouTube or Wikipedia link. Like I have any idea what the hell "Tennessee Tuxedo" is (and I'm certainly not alone). Perhaps best to stick to a non-comedic profession.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th June 2010, 5:56am) *

Because Wikipedia was lacking dramah.

Is there a point to any of this?


Is there anything lamer than a neutral vote at RFA? What is the point of these?

To me, they read "I haven't seen which way the wind is blowing, so I can't vote yet in case I'm on the losing side". (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif)
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 8:34pm) *

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For those of you who don't read Hollywood Reporter, McBride was recently cast as Prof. Phineas J. Whoopie in the upcoming live-action feature film based on "Tennessee Tuxedo." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif)
Jesus, if you're going to insult someone, at least include a YouTube or Wikipedia link. Like I have any idea what the hell "Tennessee Tuxedo" is (and I'm certainly not alone). Perhaps best to stick to a non-comedic profession.

Stuff and nonsense! Next you will try to convince us you have never heard of the famous Commander McBragg. Balderdash, Chumley! Unalloyed buncombe!


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The new RFA has been closed by Nihonjoe, under a determination that the recall RFA process is not approved and violates WP:RPC/U.

Cirt was immediately questioning it. User_talk:Nihonjoe#Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2FHerostratus_2

see also User_talk:Herostratus#RFA_closed_early

i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor and the new RFA was a witch-hunt because Herostratus called a ridiculously marginal BLP subject a "mook" and "homophobe" in an AfD. Big whoop.
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i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor

That's not how I'd conjugate the tenth word. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)
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QUOTE(milowent @ Thu 24th June 2010, 5:31am) *

i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor

That's not how I'd conjugate the tenth word. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)


you mean conjugal?
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QUOTE(milowent @ Thu 24th June 2010, 5:31am) *

i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor

That's not how I'd conjugate the tenth word. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)


you mean conjugal?

-in(g), -ish, -azoid.

-out!
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The new RFA has been closed by Nihonjoe, under a determination that the recall RFA process is not approved and violates WP:RPC/U.

Cirt was immediately questioning it. User_talk:Nihonjoe#Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship.2FHerostratus_2

see also User_talk:Herostratus#RFA_closed_early

i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor and the new RFA was a witch-hunt because Herostratus called a ridiculously marginal BLP subject a "mook" and "homophobe" in an AfD. Big whoop.

As the level of lulz increases, it's been fussily reopened. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/popcorn.gif)
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i opposed the recall because the guy has a freakin sense of humor and the new RFA was a witch-hunt because Herostratus called a ridiculously marginal BLP subject a "mook" and "homophobe" in an AfD. Big whoop.

Perhaps you have a less self-aware sense of humor than I do, because I find his "jokes" to be amazingly imbecilic, pedantic and tactless. Just being self-effacing isn't quite sufficient. (Especially if you're gonna make light of your intensive editing of articles dealing with pedophilia.) Perhaps it's a wiki-witch-hunt, it isn't the first and it damn well won't be the last. Still, I'm having difficulty managing some sympathy.

After reopening, now it's 14/20/12. Not going too well, eh, Hero, you dick?......
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Perhaps you have a less self-aware sense of humor than I do, because I find his "jokes" to be amazingly imbecilic, pedantic and tactless.

Exactly. Either you think Wikipedia's a failure as an "encyclopedia" and has become a chatroom full of kids, in which case this kind of thing is totally inappropriate. Or, you think Wikipedia still has the potential to be a genuine academic project, in which case this kind of thing is totally inappropriate. I find it hard to imagine anywhere where this kind of sub-Horsey "comedy" would be appropriate—I doubt even ED would want it.
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Mediocrity, thy name is Wikipedia.

How pathetic. WP fails as a serious academic enterprise, and it mostly fails as an absurdist self-parody.
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QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 23rd June 2010, 9:34pm) *
Jesus, if you're going to insult someone, at least include a YouTube or Wikipedia link. Like I have any idea what the hell "Tennessee Tuxedo" is (and I'm certainly not alone). Perhaps best to stick to a non-comedic profession.


First, my name is not Jesus. Second, I never write for the lowest common denominator. And, third, anyone who has never heard of Tennessee Tuxedo is a ninny. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif)

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I find it hard to imagine anywhere where this kind of sub-Horsey "comedy" would be appropriate—I doubt even ED would want it.


Uh, hello, when did I become the last stop on the road to bad taste? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

Besides, I would never (1) make fun of the Dutch -- Queen Beatrix is still hot, (2) make fun of drug addicts -- too many of my friends had ruined lives because of that, (3) make fun of the constellation Orion -- it happens to be my favorite constellation, (4) make fun of Mendel -- simply because there is no reason to, and (5) write something as thoroughly dismal as that paragraph. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/yecch.gif)

Unrelated observation: Nice to see "noobs" like Andromedabluesphere440, East of Borschov, The Blade of the Northern Lights and Tommy2010 becoming well-versed regulars at RfA after a mere three or four months on Wikipedia. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

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I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request. That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.
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I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request.

I doubt it, personally. Word on the street is that he's suffering from advanced Alzheimer's Disease and doesn't even know his own address, or the names of any of his 573 children, all by different women. Moreover, he's been forced to live under a park bench, nearly starving to death, because he can't remember the PIN for his ATM card in order to get access to his checking account - which is rumored to contain over $47 million due to his having one the Mega Millions Lottery just over a year ago. As a result, his internet access has been spotty, since he's been having to lug his EeePC netbook into various coffee shops and shopping mall food courts in order to connect. Luckily, none of this has interfered with his administrator/bureaucrat duties on Wikipedia - if anything, these factors have actually enhanced his ability to implement administrative actions that are consistent with Wikipedia policy and procedure, as evidenced by his apparent support of User:Herostratus.

Despite his having been treated somewhat unfairly (IMO) here and elsewhere for his attempts to take a supposedly "constructive" approach to the WP pedophile problem, I still believe Herostratus should not be an admin, even on a site like Wikipedia.

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That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.

Ah, but do you remember rock 'n' roll radio? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)
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Ah, but do you remember rock 'n' roll radio? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)


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I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request. That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.

Nihonjoe is no fool; he knew exactly what he was doing. It seems to me a perfect example of when you should use WP:IAR. It was a breach of the rules with the aim of improving the project. We should be pleased that there is a bureaucrat with the intelligence and bravery to use WP:IAR so effectively.
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I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request. That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.


Nihonjoe is no fool; he knew exactly what he was doing. It seems to me a perfect example of when you should use WP:IAR. It was a breach of the rules with the aim of improving the project. We should be pleased that there is a bureaucrat with the intelligence and bravery to use WP:IAR so effectively.


VidequeOr, justifying the ways of Nihonjoe to man.

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QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 24th June 2010, 3:13pm) *

I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request. That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.

Nihonjoe is no fool; he knew exactly what he was doing. It seems to me a perfect example of when you should use WP:IAR. It was a breach of the rules with the aim of improving the project. We should be pleased that there is a bureaucrat with the intelligence and bravery to use WP:IAR so effectively.


You really have fallen for the whole Wikipedia thing haven't you? I think there is a 12 step program that could make you normal again.
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Nihonjoe is no fool


He is so! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

What do you say we set up a poll here...how many people think Nihonjoe is a fool and how many people think he isn't? That should be interesting. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)
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I wonder if Nihonjoe realizes that what he did is an abuse of Bureaucratic ops and that he can now have them removed by ArbCom or the community through a similar request. That would be interesting, as I don't really remember much from Nihonjoe that has ever made me think that he would be trustworthy with adminship let alone something else.

Nihonjoe is no fool; he knew exactly what he was doing. It seems to me a perfect example of when you should use WP:IAR. It was a breach of the rules with the aim of improving the project. We should be pleased that there is a bureaucrat with the intelligence and bravery to use WP:IAR so effectively.


From WP:RFA: "Any user may nominate another user with an account."

It does not say "another user without administrator status already".

RfA can be held for those who have adminship already. Everyone who has ever opened up that page can clearly read that. Nihonjoe is a liar and obviously blind.
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You really have fallen for the whole Wikipedia thing haven't you? I think there is a 12 step program that could make you normal again.


Yes, there is … 12 steps down an 11 step plank …

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Nihonjoe is a liar and obviously blind.


Why stop there? I can share some fat jokes, if you really want to go the full mile. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)
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Jimbo has proclaimed his latest "philosophical thoughts". I'm reminded of Jack Handy.* His first axiom is that "[t]here is broad support for the idea that admins need not keep the same high level of popularity that was necessary to originally become an admin." It's a little like putting the cart before the horse, then shooting the horse while the cart rolls back over the carcass, and then pondering where to go from there. He finishes with this moving endorsement:
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Now THAT is leadership.

*I think it's sad that a family can be torn apart by something as simple as a pack of wild dogs.
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QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:33pm) *
It's a little like putting the cart before the horse, then shooting the horse while the cart rolls back over the carcass, and then pondering where to go from there.


Uh, there are other animals that you can abuse. Why not pick on the tapir? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:20pm) *

QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:33pm) *
It's a little like putting the cart before the horse, then shooting the horse while the cart rolls back over the carcass, and then pondering where to go from there.


Uh, there are other animals that you can abuse. Why not pick on the tapir? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

1. It makes a poor metaphor - what do you put in front of a tapir? Its snout? More tapirs?
2. Tapirs already have it pretty hard.
3. Inasmuch as you're a horse, I'm a bee. Sometimes I sting.

It's beyond my control.

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:20pm) *

QUOTE(Subtle Bee @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:33pm) *
It's a little like putting the cart before the horse, then shooting the horse while the cart rolls back over the carcass, and then pondering where to go from there.


Uh, there are other animals that you can abuse. Why not pick on the tapir? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

1. It makes a poor metaphor - what do you put in front of a tapir? Its snout? More tapirs?
2. Tapirs already have it pretty hard.
3. Inasmuch as you're a horse, I'm a bee. Sometimes I sting.

It's beyond my control.

Hey, tapirs sometimes make great metaphors. Even for abuse. What you put in front of them is (obviously) an alien-controlled hominid with a bone to pick.

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current vote tally: 40/29/12

it was even at the beginning, took a big swing for the negative, and has slowly swung in his favor, though there are still 5 days to go if it stays open for the whole 7 days.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 24th June 2010, 7:05pm) *

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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 24th June 2010, 6:20pm) *

Uh, there are other animals that you can abuse. Why not pick on the tapir? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)

1. It makes a poor metaphor - what do you put in front of a tapir? Its snout? More tapirs?
2. Tapirs already have it pretty hard.
3. Inasmuch as you're a horse, I'm a bee. Sometimes I sting.

It's beyond my control.

Hey, tapirs sometimes make great metaphors. Even for abuse. What you put in front of them is (obviously) an alien-controlled hominid with a bone to pick.

Yeah well, use it in a sentence (ok, another one). I swear, it's like pearls before swine (see what I did there?). Anyway, that still leaves 2, 3, and Malkovich.

Besides, tapirs are essentially short, fat, big-nosed horses, so naturally our elitist equine would encourage me to pick on them. But I'll be damned if I'll succumb to the sort of creeping ottavism that expects to dictate my editorial decisions.
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This thread has begun to tapir into stupidity.
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This thread has begun to tapir into stupidity.

But it cannot die, until Herostratus' fate is decided. And hair and fingernails grow for 48 hours after death, but phone calls tapir off.* (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

















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But it cannot die, until Herostratus' fate is decided. And hair and fingernails grow for 48 hours after death, but phone calls tapir off.* (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Actually the skin just shrinks.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 24th June 2010, 8:10pm) *

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Thu 24th June 2010, 7:54pm) *

This thread has begun to tapir into stupidity.

But it cannot die, until Herostratus' fate is decided. And hair and fingernails grow for 48 hours after death, but phone calls tapir off.* (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Whatever, I offered a dash of actual content, I don't get to pick what we talk about (see creeping ottavism). But quite by accident, I found this gem that perfectly encapsulates the essence of this thread, so while we're all waiting for shoes to drop we can enjoy it together!

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But it cannot die, until Herostratus' fate is decided. And hair and fingernails grow for 48 hours after death, but phone calls tapir off.* (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif)

Actually the skin just shrinks.

I knew that, but it spoils the joke. Joke-spoiler. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)
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Jimbo has proclaimed his latest "philosophical thoughts". I'm reminded of Jack Handy.


Now that's the smartest thing anyone has said in this thread so far.
Jimbo IS Jack Handey.
With the exception: unlike Jack Handey, Jimbo is utterly tiresome and
not the slightest bit funny or entertaining.

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Now that's the smartest thing anyone has said in this thread so far.

...and that was the second smartest.

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...and also that nobody actually mistook JH for a serious thinker.

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Jimbo IS Jack Handey.
With the exception: unlike Jack Handey, Jimbo is utterly tiresome and not the slightest bit funny or entertaining.

Right, but what am I, chopped liver? Jimbo Wales couldn't come up with material like that if his life depended on it.

Besides, the whole basis for this thread tangent is non-valid. These aren't "philosophical" thoughts at all - and bear in mind that Jimbo is someone who considers Ayn Rand to be a "philosopher." What he posted is little more than quasi-political navel-gazing, probably meant to set himself to take some of the credit in the exceptionally unlikely event that the WP'ers manage to come up with some sort of actual RfA reform plan.

The more interesting post is this one by S Marshall (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who gets perilously close to a workable solution, but predictably suggests "unbundling" admin rights along purely systemic lines (i.e., separating delete/undelete from block/unblock, for example)... when what they need is a two- (or perhaps three-) tier administrative system along experiential lines, one that protects established users from n00bs and vice-versa.

They'll resist the idea of using time-in-game as a criteria for setting up hierarchies because it looks anti-egalitarian, not to mention MMORPG-like. But they have to accept their MMORPG-like nature if they're going to survive, because that's where the culture is headed, and as for the other thing, Wikipedia only pretends to be egalitarian. It's not, and it never has been.
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Besides, the whole basis for this thread tangent is non-valid. These aren't "philosophical" thoughts at all - and bear in mind that Jimbo is someone who considers Ayn Rand to be a "philosopher." What he posted is little more than quasi-political navel-gazing, probably meant to set himself to take some of the credit in the exceptionally unlikely event that the WP'ers manage to come up with some sort of actual RfA reform plan.

The more interesting post is this one by S Marshall (T-C-L-K-R-D) , who gets perilously close to a workable solution, but predictably suggests "unbundling" admin rights along purely systemic lines (i.e., separating delete/undelete from block/unblock, for example)... when what they need is a two- (or perhaps three-) tier administrative system along experiential lines, one that protects established users from n00bs and vice-versa.

You could tar-pit that phirosophy under Forgetting S. Marshall so we can continue cracking dumb jokes uninterruptedly as our favorite shit-head burns up re-entering the herostrato-sphere.

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RfA can be held for those who have adminship already.

The best words which could ever be said about that can be found here:
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Great, he managed to get some brown-nosing done. Now the count is 59/35/14 with 4 days to go.
Apparently we get to put up with his bullshit for another few months.
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Great, he managed to get some brown-nosing done. Now the count is 59/35/14 with 4 days to go.
Apparently we get to put up with his bullshit for another few months.

I'm tempted to return to WP just to oppose his ass.
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sat 26th June 2010, 4:48am) *

Great, he managed to get some brown-nosing done. Now the count is 59/35/14 with 4 days to go.
Apparently we get to put up with his bullshit for another few months.

I'm tempted to return to WP just to oppose his ass.



He's winning!!!
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He's winning!!!

Hmm... I can't say I'm all that surprised, since there are large numbers of WP'ers who utterly dread the idea of an effective "recall" process that actually results in someone losing his or her admin rights, and most of the people who monitor RfA's probably fall into that category.

However, IMO it's fair to say that the people supporting him are focusing almost entirely on the one incident leading up to the vote (i.e., his comments during the Kenneth Dickson AfD), rather than his whole body of work.

I've said before that Herostratus shouldn't be an admin, and I still believe that. But on the plus side, he doesn't seem to be into the kind of devious admin manipulations we've seen from others in the past, even though he does seem to have an "agenda" going there... He'll embarrass them again, there's almost no question of that, but of course these are people who don't seem to care about being embarrassed by misguided or just-plain-dumb admin actions - probably because there have been so many they don't even notice them anymore.
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I'm tempted to return to WP just to oppose his ass.



Mmmmm...kinky! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)
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And an interesting post-script.

I love this: "Oh, and would people stop calling me a ''pedophile'' for crying out loud? This is getting past the point of being amusing. There are (or were) people advocating to run me to ground on this account, and well there is little that can be done to ''me'' in real life at this point, my wife holds a position of public trust and could be destroyed by this, and how fair would that be? Who knows what the people at Wikipedia Review think or are capable of? So would y'all watch your mouths please."

Hmmmm....didn't know about a Mrs. Herostratus. Anyone got pictures of this elusive mama? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)
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He's winning!!!

He's lost. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

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Hmmmm....didn't know about a Mrs. Herostratus. Anyone got pictures of this elusive mama? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif)

Can someone please find Horsey a nice filly?
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QUOTE(Eight @ Wed 30th June 2010, 1:24am) *
He's winning!!!
He's lost. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wtf.gif)

It appears that he gets the picture, perhaps.

But some of his admin buddies are over on his talkpage, giving him even more worthless barnstars.
Is there any point to this? Just tell him you appreciate his reasonable handling of the vote,
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Before you condemn WR, get your own house in order, asshole.

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And finally........
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It's a disgrace that there are Wikipedian's, even Arbitrators, that give that site legitimacy by posting there. The absolutely halfwitted shite posted there about you, that some editors were even so daft as to repeat here, and the even worse things you allude to that were attempted, is about standard for it. Those editors giving that site legitimacy need a serious word with themselves if they can just dismiss that thread. You almost got a support just for standing up to them in the way that you did. Most people won't even take the risk of even signing up to it for fear of the real world consequences. MickMacNee (talk) 19:22, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Before you condemn WR, get your own house in order, asshole.

I think he was talking about this site. No?
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Found this on another site:
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Herostratus: admin that Wikipedia Review revealed was investigated by the FBI for possession of child pornography. Court ordered not to edit Wikipedia, so he's doing it through a third party. Recently blocked by Viridae but unblocked himself. A self unblock hasn't been done on Wikipedia since 2005. It could be some bizarre gag played by Herostratus. Wikipedia:User:Herostratus. Wikipedia Review thread.
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Found this on another site:
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March 2010:

Herostratus: admin that Wikipedia Review revealed was investigated by the FBI for possession of child pornography. Court ordered not to edit Wikipedia, so he's doing it through a third party. Recently blocked by Viridae but unblocked himself. A self unblock hasn't been done on Wikipedia since 2005. It could be some bizarre gag played by Herostratus. Wikipedia:User:Herostratus. Wikipedia Review thread.



He shortly latter claimed it was all a joke. Wikipedia, demonstrating "zero tolerance" for pedophiles, said "haha that's a good one Herostratus." He never provided any verification of his second claim of "just kidding." Viridae even kissed his ass and apologized.

I hope he makes a similar joke about having a bomb on an airplane the next time he flies. Then he will understand "zero tolerance."
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He made a stupid and tasteless joke, and now he's paid the price. Can't see anything wrong with that.
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Before you condemn WR, get your own house in order, asshole.


MickMacNee (AKA MickMacNee2 and Ultra7 on commons) has been blocked by at least 17 different people. That has to be a record.

What a maroon he is to keep going back and slaving away.
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Before you condemn WR, get your own house in order, asshole.


MickMacNee (AKA MickMacNee2 and Ultra7 on commons) has been blocked by at least 17 different people. That has to be a record.

What a maroon he is to keep going back and slaving away.

Well it looks like it's just become indef now (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif)
12:06, 31 January 2010 Prodego (talk | contribs | block) changed block settings for MickMacNee (talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation blocked) ‎ (attitude not compatible with this project) (unblock | change block)

EDIT: Oh wait! It's back to a week again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif)
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Before you condemn WR, get your own house in order, asshole.


aren't you the poster responsible for starting the irresponsible allegations of pedophilia based on a ridiculously obvious joke from Herostratus? even GlassBeadGame is repeating it still today (above)? absurd!

but since wikipedia review doesn't worry about blp violations at all, its not surprising that people would be accused of pedophilia based on evidence similar to oprah and the over 9000 penises claim.

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