John Nevard (and to some extent, Janeyryan), Sockpuppets or wannabe cabalists? Options

[tarantino]

Nevard first appeared during Jayjg's absence and created his user page with the summary "I have another account- however, I'm not going to edit under my real name with a bunch of terrorists running around." He originally edited New Zeland-related articles and once "accidentally" edited from a dynamic NZ IP address.

His interests have since expanded to include animal rights, Overstock, LaRouche, PIR, the Brown Dog Affair, the Middle East, Patrick Haseldine‎ and many other pages frequented by the axis of weasels.

I suppose a third possibility is he's a double agent attempting to infiltrate their fortress.

[jorge]

Weird edit here.

[guy]

Weird edit here.

So he's interested in Canadian articles?

[jorge]

I suppose a third possibility is he's a double agent attempting to infiltrate their fortress.

Looking through the edits I doubt that. He seems to have an interest in the military/weapons and takes a general right wing stand on issues, i.e. anti animal rights, hostile to muslims and apparently thinks the Guardian is almost always distorting the truth ..

EDIT: Possibly interesting edit here where he mentions the Mohammad painting in a discussion with Will Beback about the photo on the Lyndon LaRouche article in Nov 2007.

[tarantino]

I suppose a third possibility is he's a double agent attempting to infiltrate their fortress.

Looking through the edits I doubt that. He seems to have an interest in the military/weapons and takes a general right wing stand on issues, i.e. anti animal rights, hostile to muslims and apparently thinks the Guardian is almost always distorting the truth ..

Ah, yes, I hadn't looked at many of his contribs very closely. His edits on the subjects relating to Brandt* and Overstock wouldn't much bother the cabal, but on several other articles he's knocking heads with them.

*See "Nevard is POV pushing for Berlet".

[guy]

apparently thinks the Guardian is almost always distorting the truth ..

Lese majeste! Heresy!

[Yehudi]

the Guardian is almost always distorting the truth

Only on subjects it has views about.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Ah, yes, I hadn't looked at many of his contribs very closely. His edits on the subjects relating to Brandt* and Overstock wouldn't much bother the cabal, but on several other articles he's knocking heads with them.

*See "Nevard is POV pushing for Berlet".

A recent look at Nevard's user page indicates that he is puppy-dog-eager to rack up a few Cabal Points. He makes the obligatory plea for more attacks on Patrick Byrne and Daniel Brandt, before appealing to the BADSITErs by denouncing the WR and reminding the reader of his affinity for Virginia Slim. It would be very interesting to learn what his other username is.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I am toying with the hypothesis that Nevard could be the second coming of Adam Carr. He spells "labor' with a u and edits a lot of Australia/New Zealand-related articles, in addition to being all over the pedophilia disputes. He does seem more circumspect than Adam about flouting the rules, but that could just be Adam after learning a few hard lessons.

the axis of weasels

I've been meaning to complement you on this particularly elegant formulation. I hope it becomes part of the standard lexicon.

[tarantino]

I am toying with the hypothesis that Nevard could be the second coming of Adam Carr. He spells "labor' with a u and edits a lot of Australia/New Zealand-related articles, in addition to being all over the pedophilia disputes. He does seem more circumspect than Adam about flouting the rules, but that could just be Adam after learning a few hard lessons.

Hmm, that appears to be a good possibility. Here's a list of eclectic pages Carr and Nevard have both edited.
Albert_Einstein
Bob_Katter
Brendan_Nelson
Dave_Weldon
David_Hicks
Farm_Security_Administration
Finlandization
Francis_Townsend
Franz_Halder
Freedom_Socialist_Party
George_II_of_Great_Britain
George_Pell
Guatemala
Jesus
John_Howard
José_María_Aznar
National_Caucus_of_Labor_Committees
Nelson_Mandela
North_American_Man/Boy_Love_Association
Reptilian_humanoid
Sukarno
The_Holocaust
Treaty_of_Sèvres
Turkish_War_of_Independence
Winter_War
Talk:George_Pell
Talk:Lyndon_LaRouche
Talk:Reptilian_humanoid
Talk:Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche
Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents
Wikipedia:Requested_moves
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration
Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection
Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)

the axis of weasels

I've been meaning to complement you on this particularly elegant formulation. I hope it becomes part of the standard lexicon.

I don't remember when I first saw the phrase, but it seems it was coined in the blog ScrappleFace.

[Kato]

I am toying with the hypothesis that Nevard could be the second coming of Adam Carr. He spells "labor' with a u and edits a lot of Australia/New Zealand-related articles, in addition to being all over the pedophilia disputes. He does seem more circumspect than Adam about flouting the rules, but that could just be Adam after learning a few hard lessons.

the axis of weasels

I've been meaning to complement you on this particularly elegant formulation. I hope it becomes part of the standard lexicon.

Nevard isn't Adam Carr. Nevard is in New Zealand for one thing. And pretty much everyone spells Labour with a "u" - with the exception of those in the United States.

Axis of Weasels goes back to 2003 when France, Germany and Russia openly opposed the invasion of Iraq.

[Piperdown]

Patrick Byrne on Nevard, again. Hilarious.

Mr. Nevard weirdly dismisses an attempt to get the page on me to report my position accurately by saying, "This article isn't here to promote your conspiracy theories", apparently hoping the reader will take it as received truth that what I believe is a conspiracy theory. Now I point at the current issue of Vanity Fair precisely echoes my claims, and Nevard dismisses those as more conspiracy theories. So, if I have him right, the page on me is not supposed to report what I believe because it is a conspiracy theory, and the fact that Vanity Fair now takes precisely the same position is something that should not be mentioned because it is a conspiracy theory, etc. etc. As far as I can tell, Mr. Nevard is using the term "conspiracy theory" to mean precisely and only "Something with which I, John Nevard, disagree." The upshot of this is, if a person holds a position with which John Nevard disagrees that position is not allowed to be stated, not even on the page about that person, because it must be a "conspiracy theory". And if a major publication comes out and reports the same thing then that must not be mentioned either, because it must be a "conspiracy theory", because John Nevard disagrees with it. Did I miss anything? Note that by that logic, if John Nevard disagrees with quantum mechanics, then mustn't the page on Niels Bohr refrain from describing quantum mechanics, because it is a "conspiracy theory"? PatrickByrne (talk) 02:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=225319690

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=225319690

This is a standard technique at Wikipedia. It helps to explain why the Cabal is anxious to protect the activities of the Chipster and the MONGOloids -- they help to generate an environment of paranoia, where everyone is in a constant state of alarm of over the vast conspiracy of conspiracy theorists.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I note that a "How's it going, Gary" message, left on the talk page of Sockpuppet Janeyryan, has been indignantly removed by sockpuppet John Nevard.

[One]

Who is John Nevard a sock of?

Gotta agree with Kohs here. Banning all shorts is insane. They just needed to level the field by prohibiting naked shorts. As it was, hedge funds had a free short card without much oversight, while everyone else actually had to borrow shares. That was a recipe for disaster, but this is a recipe for another disaster.

This opinion piece by a smug free market Canadian (WTF?) puts it well.

[CharlotteWebb]

Classic. This is either a Mantanmoreland sock or a great impersonator trying to rack up fake MM socks to get him even more deeply banned.

Whoever it is they have a surprisingly clean block log considering their very odd areas of interest.

Could be negligence or conspiracy, neither would surprise me.

[Rootology]

I asked nicely. It could just be a clean alternate account, but I think those are banned on the NSS stuff...

[One]

I asked nicely. It could just be a clean alternate account, but I think those are banned on the NSS stuff...

Rootology, I like your article space research, but you're not going to find anything that way. He's a new account. That's his story, he's sticking to it:

[to admin Risker, drawing his attention to the fact that all socks are banned from NSS]
Double negative time: I meant to say 'no' to 'not' meaning that this is my primary and only account, now and ever since the dawn of Time.--Janeyryan (talk) 18:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

[to admin Cool Hand Luke yelling at him for reinserting Mantanmoreland's prose]
I've affirmed that I am not a returning user on at least one occasion, and your request presupposes that. But that is not the case. I have no idea what material I am reinserting or who has been banned from what. What I reinserted had been in the article for quite a bit of time, apparently. --Janeyryan (talk) 12:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

He's exclusively interested in these topics:
1. Naked short selling
2. LaRouche
3. Wikipedia Review

According to him, He has never had an account on Wikipedia before. Who believes him? You don't? AGF!

We discussed him before. It was though that John Navard was a good fit, but I said the timezones didn't fit. now that Navard has returned, it's most clear they are not on the same sleeping schedule. I think it's Manny.

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[CharlotteWebb]

I've affirmed that I am not a returning user on at least one occasion, and your request presupposes that. But that is not the case. I have no idea what material I am reinserting or who has been banned from what. What I reinserted had been in the article for quite a bit of time, apparently. --Janeyryan (talk) 12:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Janey may be affirming that there was at least one occasion in which she was not a "returned user".

That's always good to know.

[Milton Roe]

Who is John Nevard a sock of?

Gotta agree with Kohs here. Banning all shorts is insane. They just needed to level the field by prohibiting naked shorts. As it was, hedge funds had a free short card without much oversight, while everyone else actually had to borrow shares. That was a recipe for disaster, but this is a recipe for another disaster.

This opinion piece by a smug free market Canadian (WTF?) puts it well.

Nevard is interesting. He admits to being an alternate account of somebody (Oct 21, 2007), but says he's not saying who, due to "terrorists running around."

Hmmm. His interests are Judaica and antisemitism (which all gives him a decent Kabal score of 14, about like Berlet's), but if you look at "his" interests WRT each of the Kabal, it's clear that he shares by far the most with SlimVirgin. Brown Dog affair, Keith Mann. The whole bit. There's a LOT of environmental and animal rights extremism. In fact, they've edited 103 mainspace articles together (more than Slim and Crum have!), but have only interacted on article TALK pages 21 times, which is an unusually low number for editors with the same interests.

They've both posted to these two odd user pages (the user, not the user:talk):
#1 User:SirFozzie/Investigation/Sandbox - edited by 2 of 2 users
#2 User:Mantanmoreland - edited by 2 of 2 users

They've posted to 20 user:talks, and 10 Wikipedia project pages.

Here's the project space talk:
#1 Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history - edited by 2 of 2 users
#2 Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Gracenotes - edited by 2 of 2 users
#3 Wikipedia_talk:No_original_research - edited by 2 of 2 users

Odd, also. Military history? Cla68? RfA for Gracenotes? Wups!

The total is 159 articles total.

I'll post the main articles to give you a feel, at the end.

That said, there are odd correlations between Nevard and Cberlet, who've edited 26 articles together. And finally, they all share a lot of article with banned sockpuppet team Arkalochori and Zurishaddai, who both, when added to any of these people, make the common article counts go up shockingly.

Anyway, here's the Nevard/SV list. Reads like a SV/Jayjg hitlist, except Nevard has edited with SlimVirgin even more than Jayjg has. Go figure. I smell socks. And if they both messed with Gracenotes, dirty socks.

In that blighted RfA, you can grin as SlimVirgin and Mantanmoreland lecture Gracenotes about empathy and morality (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

The admins of that site [this is WR, I think] have been sent two takedown notices and yet the material in question remains on it, so it's clearly not against their rules. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

75.144.57.73 (talk · contribs) recently wrote that "The admins of that site have offered, in public, to remove any material that you warrant is both malicious and false." I will make no claims as to the validity of that statement, and only indicate that it was made. GracenotesT § 16:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I repeat that I have sent them two takedown notices, and yet the material in question remains on the site, and it now seems I'm going to have to proceed legally, with all the time, money, and effort that entails. How utterly bizarre that you'd repeat the opinion of an anon IP and an attack site when I've already told you what I've done. There, in a nutshell, is why I oppose your promotion. SlimVirgin (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification about the comment. GracenotesT § 18:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
What's your opinion of that site? --Mantanmoreland 16:41, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It's a mixed bag. Some comments are constructive; others bitter. GracenotesT § 17:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Is that all you have to say? I felt your position on this issue was cold and lacking in empathy, and your response confirms that belief.--Mantanmoreland 18:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

← Do you disagree with what I wrote? You asked me for my opinion on the site in general, not my opinion on the site in terms of privacy violations. GracenotesT § 18:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

What an amazingly evasive way of responding to a simple question. I am deeply concerned about your being promoted, now more so.--Mantanmoreland 19:10, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

But strangely, I do not see "John Nevard's" comments on this page, although the Python tool says they should be there, along with Slim's and Mantanmoreland's. Hmmm. One more mystery.

Anyway, here's the total mainspace Nevard/SlimVirgin list. Note topics. Enjoy. My off the cuff guess is Nevard is her.

#1 Your_Mommy_Kills_Animals_(film) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#2 Worldwide_LaRouche_Youth_Movement - edited by 2 of 2 users
#3 Wikipedia_Watch - edited by 2 of 2 users
#4 Waco_Siege - edited by 2 of 2 users
#5 University_of_Minnesota_primate_research - edited by 2 of 2 users
#6 Tom_Regan - edited by 2 of 2 users
#7 Tipu_Aziz - edited by 2 of 2 users
#8 The_People's_Petition - edited by 2 of 2 users
#9 The_Holocaust - edited by 2 of 2 users
#10 The_David_Project_Center_for_Jewish_Leadership - edited by 2 of 2 users
#11 Stormfront_(website) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#12 Stop_Huntingdon_Animal_Cruelty - edited by 2 of 2 users
#13 Steven_M._Wise - edited by 2 of 2 users
#14 Steven_Emerson - edited by 2 of 2 users
#15 Stephen_R._L._Clark - edited by 2 of 2 users
#16 Stanley_Hilton - edited by 2 of 2 users
#17 Silver_Spring_monkeys - edited by 2 of 2 users
#18 Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society - edited by 2 of 2 users
#19 Schutzstaffel - edited by 2 of 2 users
#20 Ruhollah_Khomeini - edited by 2 of 2 users
#21 Ronnie_Lee - edited by 2 of 2 users
#22 Robin_Webb - edited by 2 of 2 users
#23 Rihab_Taha - edited by 2 of 2 users
#24 Richard_Warman - edited by 2 of 2 users
#25 Richard_D._Ryder - edited by 2 of 2 users
#26 Rat_Park - edited by 2 of 2 users
#27 Peter_Singer - edited by 2 of 2 users
#28 Peter_Camejo - edited by 2 of 2 users
#29 Perverted-Justice - edited by 2 of 2 users
#30 Persian_Jews - edited by 2 of 2 users
#31 People_for_the_Ethical_Treatment_of_Animals - edited by 2 of 2 users
#32 Patriotic_Youth_League - edited by 2 of 2 users
#33 Operation_Backfire_(FBI) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#34 October_surprise_conspiracy_theory - edited by 2 of 2 users
#35 Nuclear_program_of_Iran - edited by 2 of 2 users
#36 New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#37 National_Extremism_Tactical_Co-ordination_Unit - edited by 2 of 2 users
#38 National_Caucus_of_Labor_Committees - edited by 2 of 2 users
#39 Nation_of_Islam_and_antisemitism - edited by 2 of 2 users
#40 Monsanto - edited by 2 of 2 users
#41 Michelle_Malkin - edited by 2 of 2 users
#42 Michael_Danby - edited by 2 of 2 users
#43 Mary_Midgley - edited by 2 of 2 users
#44 Lyndon_LaRouche - edited by 2 of 2 users
#45 Louise_Lind-af-Hageby - edited by 2 of 2 users
#46 List_of_designated_terrorist_organizations - edited by 2 of 2 users
#47 List_of_animal_rights_groups - edited by 2 of 2 users
#48 List_of_Israeli_civilian_casualties_in_the_Second_Intifada - edited by 2 of 2 users
#49 Kevin_Alfred_Strom - edited by 2 of 2 users
#50 Keith_Mann - edited by 2 of 2 users
#51 Justice_Department_(animal_rights) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#52 Jon_Ronson - edited by 2 of 2 users
#53 John_Train - edited by 2 of 2 users
#54 John_Mark_Karr - edited by 2 of 2 users
#55 Jizya - edited by 2 of 2 users
#56 Jimmy_Wales - edited by 2 of 2 users
#57 Jill_Phipps - edited by 2 of 2 users
#58 Jesus - edited by 2 of 2 users
#59 Jeremiah_Duggan - edited by 2 of 2 users
#60 Islamism - edited by 2 of 2 users
#61 Ingrid_Newkirk - edited by 2 of 2 users
#62 Imageboard - edited by 2 of 2 users
#63 Huntingdon_Life_Sciences - edited by 2 of 2 users
#64 Humane_Society_of_the_United_States - edited by 2 of 2 users
#65 HonestReporting - edited by 2 of 2 users
#66 Homeopathy - edited by 2 of 2 users
#67 Henry_Spira - edited by 2 of 2 users
#68 Heinrich_Himmler - edited by 2 of 2 users
#69 Heather_Mills - edited by 2 of 2 users
#70 Greg_Avery - edited by 2 of 2 users
#71 Green_Scare - edited by 2 of 2 users
#72 Google_Watch - edited by 2 of 2 users
#73 Golden_plates - edited by 2 of 2 users
#74 Gilad_Atzmon - edited by 2 of 2 users
#75 Gary_L._Francione - edited by 2 of 2 users
#76 Fred_Newman - edited by 2 of 2 users
#77 Female_genital_cutting - edited by 2 of 2 users
#78 Dushanbe_synagogue - edited by 2 of 2 users
#79 Dick_Morris - edited by 2 of 2 users
#80 Dennis_King - edited by 2 of 2 users
#81 Denis_Diderot - edited by 2 of 2 users
#82 David_Icke - edited by 2 of 2 users
#83 Criticism_of_Wikipedia - edited by 2 of 2 users
#84 Criticism_of_Hugo_Chávez - edited by 2 of 2 users
#85 Colin_Blakemore - edited by 2 of 2 users
#86 Chip_Berlet - edited by 2 of 2 users
#87 Che_Guevara - edited by 2 of 2 users
#88 Center_for_Consumer_Freedom - edited by 2 of 2 users
#89 Carlos_Latuff - edited by 2 of 2 users
#90 Brown_Dog_affair - edited by 2 of 2 users
#91 Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II - edited by 2 of 2 users
#92 Biobreeding_rat - edited by 2 of 2 users
#93 Bill_White_(neo-Nazi) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#94 Barry_Horne - edited by 2 of 2 users
#95 Anti-Defamation_League - edited by 2 of 2 users
#96 Anne_Frank - edited by 2 of 2 users
#97 Animal_Enterprise_Terrorism_Act - edited by 2 of 2 users
#98 Andrew_Tyler - edited by 2 of 2 users
#99 American_School_(economics) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#100 Alex_Pacheco_(activist) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#101 Alex_Jones_(radio) - edited by 2 of 2 users
#102 Abdel_Basset_Ali_al-Megrahi - edited by 2 of 2 users
#103 9/11_conspiracy_theories - edited by 2 of 2 users

[The Joy]

Did we rule out User:Hipocrite as Nevard and/or Janeryan?

[Milton Roe]

Did we rule out User:Hipocrite as Nevard and/or Janeryan?

User:Hipocrite was banned a long time ago by Jayjg as a Blu Ardvaark sock. And had only a few edits before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite

[The Joy]

Did we rule out User:Hipocrite as Nevard and/or Janeryan?

User:Hipocrite was banned a long time ago by Jayjg as a Blu Ardvaark sock. And had only a few edits before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite

He came back as User:PouponToast and several other socks. He was renamed User:DepartedUser under Right to Vanish, but he came back to troll. He's like Tony Sidaway in a sense. Hipocrite hates the Review with a vengeance.

[Milton Roe]

Did we rule out User:Hipocrite as Nevard and/or Janeryan?

User:Hipocrite was banned a long time ago by Jayjg as a Blu Ardvaark sock. And had only a few edits before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite

He came back as User:PouponToast and several other socks. He was renamed User:DepartedUser under Right to Vanish, but he came back to troll. He's like Tony Sidaway in a sense. Hipocrite hates the Review with a vengeance.

Ah, yes, I remember the giant sockfarm rolled up by Kelly Martin, etc. I'm just sayin that the original Hypocrite account was blocked as a Blu Aarvark sock. If Hypocrite is all this sockfarm, including the WR-stalking PouponToast, then it's not surprising they hate WR, since Blu does too, no?

[The Joy]

Did we rule out User:Hipocrite as Nevard and/or Janeryan?

User:Hipocrite was banned a long time ago by Jayjg as a Blu Ardvaark sock. And had only a few edits before that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hipocrite

He came back as User:PouponToast and several other socks. He was renamed User:DepartedUser under Right to Vanish, but he came back to troll. He's like Tony Sidaway in a sense. Hipocrite hates the Review with a vengeance.

Ah, yes, I remember the giant sockfarm rolled up by Kelly Martin, etc. I'm just sayin that the original Hypocrite account was blocked as a Blu Aarvark sock. If Hypocrite is all this sockfarm, including the WR-stalking PouponToast, then it's not surprising they hate WR, since Blu does too, no?

My understanding was that Hipocrite asked for a name change to the Blu sock so he would be blocked indefinitely. A strange form of martyrdom, I guess.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Anyway, here's the total mainspace Nevard/SlimVirgin list. Note topics. Enjoy. My off the cuff guess is Nevard is her.

Interesting hypothesis. Nevard writes with a kind of flippant, wiseass style that contrasts with SV, but that may be calculated. There was talk, however, of the Nevard account geolocating to New Zealand -- is that based on evidence, or a claim by Nevard?

[One]

He has edited NZ topics and seems to have once used a NZ IP, although it might have been set up somehow. He also seems to run on normal NZ hours. That's not impossible for Slim to fake though because she edits at all times of the day and night with no discernible schedule. Presumably she could feign interests and avoid editing between 1400 and 2100 utc.

I had no idea about his interests in animal rights. I doubt he's her sock, but that's interesting.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Anyway, here's the total mainspace Nevard/SlimVirgin list. Note topics. Enjoy. My off the cuff guess is Nevard is her.

Interesting hypothesis. Nevard writes with a kind of flippant, wiseass style that contrasts with SV, but that may be calculated. There was talk, however, of the Nevard account geolocating to New Zealand -- is that based on evidence, or a claim by Nevard?

He has edited NZ topics and seems to have once used a NZ IP, although it might have been set up somehow. He also seems to run on normal NZ hours. That's not impossible for Slim to fake though because she edits at all times of the day and night with no discernible schedule. Presumably she could feign interests and avoid editing between 1400 and 2100 utc.

I had no idea about his interests in animal rights. I doubt he's her sock, but that's interesting.

I don't know about running on NZ hours. Nevard is presently on an extended editing binge, focussed on the LaRouche articles, that has SlimVirgin written all over it. Also, in the heat of all this editing, Nevard abandons the "youth lingo" and starts to sound more and more like the patented SlimVirgin edit rap. I now believe that both Nevard and JaneyRyan are SlimVirgin socks.

[Proabivouac]

I now believe that both Nevard and JaneyRyan are SlimVirgin socks.

I doubt that very much (not that this doubt is evidence.)

[The Adversary]

Why isn´t Adam Carr a candidate?
He kind of retired after this minor scandal.

(which isn´t mentioned in his biography, for some reason (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Both are/were very keen on editing la Rouche. (And can anyone imagine a more arrogant expression?)

And JaneyRyan is a wannabe. (or GW dumming down)

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Why isn´t Adam Carr a candidate?

Both are/were very keen on editing la Rouche. (And can anyone imagine a more arrogant expression?)

And JaneyRyan is a wannabe. (or GW dumming down)

Adam Carr was discussed as a candidate at the John Nevard thread (I am proposing that these off-topic posts be moved to that thread.) However, Adam Carr, who edits under his own name, spends much of his time in a state of emotional meltdown, and is incapable of playing the WP:CIVIL game. SV, on the other hand, thrives on it, and enjoys wielding the stilleto with bogus civility. The Nevard and Janeyryan posts both use a breezily efficient bureaucratic tone which would be foreign to Adam Carr. I also note that the current Nevard editing binge corresponds in time to the conclusion of the SV/FM/Cla/JzG ArbCom case -- I suspect that Virginia Slim is letting off steam after all that. Many of Nevard's edits are non-controversial syntax housekeeping edits, the one thing that Slim does that is actually useful. Janeyryan is a specialty account that only edits the most sensitive topics that are close to Slim's heart, including Wikipedia Talk:Verifiability and Wikipedia Review.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

On September 27, 2007, SlimVirgin announced her retirement from Wikipedia. On that same day, she created the sock account "Sunsplash." The account did not commence editing until October 15 of that year, and was promptly detected and exposed here at the review. "Sunsplash" discontinued editing on October 17. However, on October 16, the day the exposure began here at the Review, the account "John Nevard" was created, with the comment, "I have another account- however, I'm not going to edit under my real name with a bunch of terrorists running around." This is circumstantial evidence, but hundreds of editors have been banned at Wikipedia for less.

Regarding Janeyryan, that account begins editing on July 10 of this year. The first edits are to the article "Wikipedia Review." My Exceptionally Well-Honed Linguistic Analytic Skillsâ„¢ suggest to me that both accounts are SV socks. Question: what was going on July 10 of this year?

[One]

I partially disagree. Janeyryan looks increasingly like Mantan. The account was created about six weeks after Bassettcat bit the dust, following the pattern of Bassettcat itself. His main interest is NSS; he's been in a lot of debates, but the NSS ones are the only ones that draw a reverting passion. He's also reverting to the stuff that previous Mannisox wrote. I think the other stuff is just intended to attract across-the-board sympathies of John Nevard. So far it's not working.

Interestingly, although NSS is a huge news topic for practically the first time ever, Nevard is currently uninterested in that page. Makes me wonder if Nevard was only haunted the topic to stick up for his buddy--this is consistent with the SV=JN hypothesis. Nevard is indeed on a Slim-style editing binge. However, the NZ IP makes me reluctant to accept that conclusion.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

There is a clear pattern of Slim reacting to a setback by creating a new account (SlimVirgin -> Sunsplash -> John Nevard.) Having learned from the quick exposure of Sunsplash, she allowed plenty of time for John Nevard to "ripen."

If Janeyryan is not Slim, why the intense interest in Chip Berlet/Lyndon LaRouche?

[One]

There is a clear pattern of Slim reacting to a setback by creating a new account (SlimVirgin -> Sunsplash -> John Nevard.) Having learned from the quick exposure of Sunsplash, she allowed plenty of time for John Nevard to "ripen."

If Janeyryan is not Slim, why the intense interest in Chip Berlet/Lyndon LaRouche?

Slim was Mantan's patron. Mantanmoreland is again trying to garner sympathy from Slim. He's done this before by editing Jewish topics, but this sock is supposed to look different.

Think about it: if Janeyryan is Slim, why would she continue carrying water for this banned peon? NSS is Mantanmoreland's and Janeyryan's passion, but there's no sane reason for Slim to keep the flame going.

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

I've gone back to the Who is Janeyryan? thread and reviewed the rather in-depth investigation there. Here's the WP checkuser page. If Janey is Gary Weiss, and is getting into Berlet and LaRouche just to suck up to Linda Mack, he's really doing a bang-up job, because this edit indicates in-depth knowledge and virtual adulation of Chip Berlet. On the other hand, if Janey is Gary, SV is returning the favor in this edit, watching over Janey's talk page and removing the bad person's suggestion that Janey is Gary.

The case of John Nevard, however, is pretty much closed in my book. He's SlimVirgin. They have 109 cross-correlated articles! And plus, from my experience in tangling with Slim at the LaRouche articles, I could pick her editing style at those articles out of a lineup any time. The Janey account is used sparingly, by whomever is using it, but the Nevard account is Slim's fully ripened sock, and on a rampage.

[Piperdown]

I've gone back to the Who is Janeyryan? thread and reviewed the rather in-depth investigation there. Here's the WP checkuser page. If Janey is Gary Weiss, and is getting into Berlet and LaRouche just to suck up to Linda Mack, he's really doing a bang-up job, because this edit indicates in-depth knowledge and virtual adulation of Chip Berlet. On the other hand, if Janey is Gary, SV is returning the favor in this edit, watching over Janey's talk page and removing the bad person's suggestion that Janey is Gary.

The case of John Nevard, however, is pretty much closed in my book. He's SlimVirgin. They have 109 cross-correlated articles! And plus, from my experience in tangling with Slim at the LaRouche articles, I could pick her editing style at those articles out of a lineup any time. The Janey account is used sparingly, by whomever is using it, but the Nevard account is Slim's fully ripened sock, and on a rampage.

just imagine Linda's vicarious thrill from sparring, incognito, after all these years with old school chum Patrick on those electric NSS/Byrne BLP talk pages. The Nevard-Janey vs Byrne tension could be cut with a frozen french fry.

Just don't ask her for one of her french fries (chips!) with a mocking accent....

could it be a case of latent sexual tension boiling over in wikidrama, or just posh accent affected WikiGoth pseudoelite grudges vs the downhome, Jeep driving, eastwood poncho sporting cantbeboughtofforstopped siddhartha who's had enough of backroom darlings playing politics and sleight of hand shell games?

I mean, Shankbone's obvious unrequited man-love angst being taken out on the indifferent kohser just isn't enough drama for the day. I'm going to have that gay porn image, superimposed with a chihuahua looking on, in my head the rest of the day. Tanks for nuttin, W-R!

but then I always assume bad faith when it comes to wikipedia. and everyone else should too.

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[Shalom]

I don't think John Nevard is a sockpuppet. I can't prove it, but it doesn't seem right.

[Piperdown]

I don't think John Nevard is a sockpuppet. I can't prove it, but it doesn't seem right.

hersch has some compelling points though. No Varkalas though yet. Could easily be one of these "Emperor" losers on WR, or Poop On Your Toast psychos from WP that count W-R among their favourite forbidden pleasures (like most of W-R's fav subjects do).

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

Note the familiar anime on this version of the User:John Nevard page.

On closer examination, it is actually a link to something called {{User:SlimVirgin/usefullinks}}.

[Piperdown]

Note the familiar anime on this version of the User:John Nevard page.

that's actually on the current Nevard page. No need for secret cache mining, Hersch!

I've always thought people who use big-eye anime avatars to get "I'm cute!" sympathy aren't "there to write an encyclopedia". Could you imagine excellent wordsmiths Cla68 or the kohser posting an anime character on their user pages? Or dancing, muscular nekkid (not short though) men to get all the oppo-sexers to kowtow to their wikipower?

[dogbiscuit]

While the socking is all very interesting and entertaining, isn't the real test whether the socks are Doing Bad Things?

Clearly, there are a range of these things, so it might be that the sock is pushing an agenda - that is a bit of a so what given that is SOP for Wikipedia. I'm not overly bothered about an individual avoiding scrutiny if the editing is "fair" rather than using back channels and so on to influence debate.

So if there is evidence that John Nevard is being problematic, then it is worth pursuing. If it is Slim's sock, but in the effort to maintain the sock, she is forced into being uncontroversial and is not making use of her allies, then I'd say that is problem solved - the playing field has been levelled.

If John Nevard is acting in concert with Crum, for example, or a sock of Crum, then we have a problem as it is a determined abuse of Wikipedia.

In other words, just because Wikipedia is fixated with socks, I don't think we need be. If the sock is not on Wikipedia weeping and raging about her harassment, stalking and virtual rape, and the sock casually altering policy on a whim while others are abused and blocked for attempting the same approach, and the sock is not hacking articles to suit its own personal point of view using every trick in the book to bully other editors into submission, and the sock is not using private arrangements to get tame admins to do her bidding then I'm not really very interested in the sock. On the other hand...

[Herschelkrustofsky]

While the socking is all very interesting and entertaining, isn't the real test whether the socks are Doing Bad Things?

Since you asked: Slim wanted to do a POV re-write on several LaRouche articles, a recurring obsession with her. So first she solicited the help of the most neutral editor she could find, JzG, to get a pro-LaRouche editor banned (as a sockpuppet!), in order to eliminate opposition. She used the Nevard account to do so, as the Slim account was under scrutiny due to the FM/Cla/SV arbcom case. JzG, of course, was also under scrutiny, so he took it to WP:AN with backup from Will Beback and the ever-popular Nevard. At this point, who should appear but Jayjg, who banned every editor who had dared disagree with the others. At that point, it was POV-pushing time for the Nevard account, focussing on two articles in particular: Lyndon LaRouche, and LaRouche Youth Movement. The latter article was completely re-written in a binge session that reeks of SV.

[Ottava]

Could you imagine excellent wordsmiths Cla68 or the kohser posting an anime character on their user pages?

Did you get paid to describe them like that? I don't think anyone on Wikipedia can really be called an "excellent wordsmith". However, encyclopedias really shouldn't have such, so, its not that big of a problem.

[One]

I'm now convinced on Nevard. Is there any abuse for a CU?

I must insist that Janey is Mantan or at least still ambiguous. He seems to know a lot about NSS and enjoys telling others they haven't done their homework. I think it's easier to pick up anti-LaRouche learnin' than pro-NSS. And again, although Slim might hate on Byrne, as Nevard has, there's no reason for her to fight over pure academic NSS.

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[dogbiscuit]

While the socking is all very interesting and entertaining, isn't the real test whether the socks are Doing Bad Things?

Since you asked: Slim wanted to do a POV re-write on several LaRouche articles, a recurring obsession with her. So first she solicited the help of the most neutral editor she could find, JzG, to get a pro-LaRouche editor banned (as a sockpuppet!), in order to eliminate opposition. She used the Nevard account to do so, as the Slim account was under scrutiny due to the FM/Cla/SV arbcom case. JzG, of course, was also under scrutiny, so he took it to WP:AN with backup from Will Beback and the ever-popular Nevard. At this point, who should appear but Jayjg, who banned every editor who had dared disagree with the others. At that point, it was POV-pushing time for the Nevard account, focussing on two articles in particular: Lyndon LaRouche, and LaRouche Youth Movement. The latter article was completely re-written in a binge session that reeks of SV.

That's better. I thought I could save myself the work of trying to figure that out myself. Typical Slim.

I take it Nevard does lots of minor edits rather than planning the work? Does he also get miffed if other people edit while he is busy, and take people to task for this?

[Obesity]

The case of John Nevard, however, is pretty much closed in my book. He's SlimVirgin.

So Slim is now a Baxter-esque sockmaster with different characters and different fictitious locales?? Note that though PG assigned various RL traits, hobbies and interests to his characters, they all pretty much talked the same way. Nevard doesn't even write like Slim--his sense of humour is far too developed.

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

Heck, I'm a nobody compared to her and even I have several people on WP in my back pocket to do my evil bidding.

Why not go for the simplest explanation?

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[Meringue]

Does WP:IAR apply to socks? I mean, do socks that only do good edits get a free pass? (Of course, good is in the eye of an admin.)

[Obesity]

So Slim is now a Baxter-esque sockmaster with different characters and different fictitious locales?? Note that though PG assigned various RL traits, hobbies and interests to his characters, they all pretty much talked the same way. Nevard doesn't even write like Slim--his sense of humour is far too developed.

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

Heck, I'm a nobody compared to her and even I have several people on WP in my back pocket to do my evil bidding.

Why not go for the simplest explanation?

I will, however, accept that Janeyryan and John Nevard are socks of one another. Has that been established?

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Note the familiar anime on this version of the User:John Nevard page.

that's actually on the current Nevard page. No need for secret cache mining, Hersch!

It's not on this version.

[JoseClutch]

Does WP:IAR apply to socks? I mean, do socks that only do good edits get a free pass? (Of course, good is in the eye of an admin.)

There is no rule against non-disruptive socks. You are free to have as many socks as you like, as long as you do not use them disruptively, or to create the illusion of multiple people agreeing where it does not exist.

[Piperdown]

Could you imagine excellent wordsmiths Cla68 or the kohser posting an anime character on their user pages?

Did you get paid to describe them like that? I don't think anyone on Wikipedia can really be called an "excellent wordsmith". However, encyclopedias really shouldn't have such, so, its not that big of a problem.

yeah, chuck and kohs send me checks, just like wordbomb does.

so which nutjob on wp are you?

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Does WP:IAR apply to socks? I mean, do socks that only do good edits get a free pass? (Of course, good is in the eye of an admin.)

There is no rule against non-disruptive socks. You are free to have as many socks as you like, as long as you do not use them disruptively, or to create the illusion of multiple people agreeing where it does not exist.

Or use them to evade ArbCom rulings, which is what Slim is doing. In the old "LaRouche 2" case, she was warned against using the SlimVirgin account for personal attacks. Using the Nevard account, she can let it all hang out. Then, there is the latest Cla68/FM/SV case. I think that the Nevard editing binge may have been SV getting some of the frustration about that case out of her system, by using the Nevard account to do a bit of good old-fashioned POV pushing and enjoying the ecstatic release that it brings.

[Milton Roe]

The case of John Nevard, however, is pretty much closed in my book. He's SlimVirgin.

So Slim is now a Baxter-esque sockmaster with different characters and different fictitious locales?? Note that though PG assigned various RL traits, hobbies and interests to his characters, they all pretty much talked the same way. Nevard doesn't even write like Slim--his sense of humour is far too developed.

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

Heck, I'm a nobody compared to her and even I have several people on WP in my back pocket to do my evil bidding.

Why not go for the simplest explanation?

You could. However, SlimVirgin does use New Zealand as an example of a place as far away as possible http://osdir.com/ml/org.wikimedia.foundati...1/msg00047.html. Perhaps she's been there. And started an account there. And came home with the password. Editors do travel.

Didn't somebody say the checkuser on Nevard (or do I have him confused with somebody else) had produced results that were "odd"? Would geolocating both to New Zealand and Canada count as odd? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) No, only if it switches back and forth. Not odd if it starts in New Zealand on vacation, leaves an "accidental" IP edit to nail down there, and then moves home. We know Nevard is interested in Canada, also.

But yes, this is all spinning pure bull, just the fun of trying to explain all the facts in the least silly way (assuming the Nevard geolocation is a fact). But in full knowledge that nobody dares Checkuser in SlimV cases much, since she shrieks so much that it's like re-potting mandrakes in a Harry Potter movie.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

It was the Janeyryan checkuser that was "odd." Someone should checkuser Nevard.

[Milton Roe]

It was the Janeyryan checkuser that was "odd." Someone should checkuser Nevard.

Ah, yes, thanks. And yes, let us checkuser this Nevard fellow with the IP from Erewhon. Who, I predict with uncanny precission, will raise a Slimey fuss about it, if he finds out it's been done.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ph34r.gif) No fair!! Was suggested on an "attack site." (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Instead of properly, on a backchannel admin IRC.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

I can accept that. But 109 articles in common? That's 26 more than SV and Crum375. Plus, John Nevard has now edited the Holy of Holies, Template:LaRouchetalk, which is more or less Slim's trophy case for how many "LaRouche editors" she has vanquished.

[Piperdown]

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

I can accept that. But 109 articles in common? That's 26 more than SV and Crum375. Plus, John Nevard has now edited the Holy of Holies, Template:LaRouchetalk, which is more or less Slim's trophy case for how many "LaRouche editors" she has vanquished.

as much as Slimda has tactically cried wolf over "stalking" on WP, you'd think Nevard would have been noted by now as her most prolific wikistalker, after Crum that is, who does so in real-time.

Is there a tool to see what tool has co-edited the most articles with the virgin?

[Selina]

Is there a tool to see what tool has co-edited the most articles with the virgin?

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showt...43&#entry132343

my reply:
http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=S...ndpost&p=132374

[Milton Roe]

I don't buy it for a second.

Why is it so difficult to accept SV has a handful of friends (even in the Southern hemisphere) who do as she asks?

I can accept that. But 109 articles in common? That's 26 more than SV and Crum375. Plus, John Nevard has now edited the Holy of Holies, Template:LaRouchetalk, which is more or less Slim's trophy case for how many "LaRouche editors" she has vanquished.

as much as Slimda has tactically cried wolf over "stalking" on WP, you'd think Nevard would have been noted by now as her most prolific wikistalker, after Crum that is, who does so in real-time.

Yep, for sure. After using the new tool to look at graph of editing times, the two really are different. There are about 2 hours in the day when Slim can be counted on to be asleep. These are not the hours when Nevard can be counted on to sleep, which are different. Nevard looks to have a weekday standard job. Slim does not, or else edits from work as prolifically as anywhere else.

So, it's just a case of Slim-worship. Nauseatin' as the thought may be. Now I've got to compare the day-edit time patterns of Nevard and Crum, who we already have been through all this before with. Nevard has more articles with Slim than Crum, but Crum comes close.

Question of the day: does the statue of the sacred Virgin that Nevard and Crum idolize, bleed miraculously from the nose? And why did Jimbo build a cathedral around it?

[One]

Yep, for sure. After using the new tool to look at graph of editing times, the two really are different. There are about 2 hours in the day when Slim can be counted on to be asleep. These are not the hours when Nevard can be counted on to sleep, which are different. Nevard looks to have a weekday standard job. Slim does not, or else edits from work as prolifically as anywhere else.

So, it's just a case of Slim-worship. Nauseatin' as the thought may be. Now I've got to compare the day-edit time patterns of Nevard and Crum, who we already have been through all this before with. Nevard has more articles with Slim than Crum, but Crum comes close.

Question of the day: does the statue of the sacred Virgin that Nevard and Crum idolize, bleed miraculously from the nose? And why did Jimbo build a cathedral around it?

Y'know, I said that from the beginning. He looks like NZ time. He has a job a day job, like Crum. SV looks like a college student skipping all her classes.

It's not impossible, but she would have to track her own editing to an extent that I don't think anyone ever has before. Not PoetGuy, not Mantanmoreland, and not any of Slim's earlier socks. If Nevard is Slim, it's possibly the best sock job ever to be suspected on Wikipedia.

Nevard and Janey are also not socks of each other for similar reasons. Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

[maggot3]

http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=mantanmoreland&l=1000
http://en.wikichecker.com/user/?t=Janeyryan

For reference. They certainly edit at pretty similar times...

[Milton Roe]

Nevard and Janey are also not socks of each other for similar reasons. Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

You may be right. Certainly they both live on the East coast of the US, in a similar way (with similar interests.... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) )

On this subject, did you use this tool on Jimbo Wales? You will find that the man litterally never sleeps, or else has a "night watchman" where somebody else edits in his name while he DOES sleep. And it looks sort of like that, too, as his edits taper down (but not quite to zero), then they go up to a little edit peak overnight, then taper down to when he wakes up. Perhaps he's a sleep-editor! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) Hell, maybe even a were-editor.

I don't think even a mountain of cocaine can explain this pattern. Somebody might want to look at some Jimbo diffs in the middle of that "slight down time" cycle, to see if they are all stuff like: "I'll get back to you on that in few hours when I've had some rest... "

If there's evidence of brain activity (even at Jimbo's normal level) at all these hours, we may actually be dealing with one of those mythical "reverse sock" accounts where many people edit the same username, in order to look mentally spiffier.

And though I blushed like mad when somebody suggested that this was true of Yrs Truly on WR, I assume you that if you look at my edit timing you'll find I'm very human.


(It's just that I can't keep Stan and Lenny here at the NSA to shut the *&%@ up. Okay you guys? I mean it.)

MR

[Milton Roe]

It was the Janeyryan checkuser that was "odd." Someone should checkuser Nevard.

If Janeyryan came out "odd" it would be due to the old Mantan/Bassettcat trick of using dialups in a removed area. That would make your checkuser geolocate you to two or more different locations if you screwed it up. And if he remembers not to change ISPs too quickly, it's hard to get caught. The results only come out "odd". Like one person who has as many homes as John McCain.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

He looks like NZ time. He has a job a day job, like Crum. SV looks like a college student skipping all her classes.

It's not impossible, but she would have to track her own editing to an extent that I don't think anyone ever has before. Not PoetGuy, not Mantanmoreland, and not any of Slim's earlier socks. If Nevard is Slim, it's possibly the best sock job ever to be suspected on Wikipedia.

Well, the thing that makes Slim so Notable is that she's pretty good at whatever you want to call the thing that she does. I remember well when she first appeared at Wikipedia -- the first time I crossed swords with her, she was asking if I was a sockpuppet, asking if I was a guy that she had noticed on USENET who used "similar turns of a phrase," and of course, before long she was on Jimbo's talk page boasting of her Exceptionally Finely-Honed Linguistic Analytic Skills. It reminds me of one of that movie where the villain (or perhaps it was a villainess!) majored in forensic criminology in order to gain the expertise required to commit the perfect crime.

There are a few details about the Nevard case which seem like they couldn't be coincidental -- like the fact that the Nevard account was created the very day that the Sunsplash account was exposed (which was also the day after the Sunsplash account was created.)

Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

I think we need to answer the question about what triggered the birth of the Janey account. It's very first edit was to "Wikipedia Review," on July 10, and I can't help but suspect that there was something going on here at that time that caused the SockMeister in question to react.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

What do you make of the little exchange of edit summaries between Nevard and the IP editor(s) on September 26-27?

[Piperdown]

What do you make of the little exchange of edit summaries between Nevard and the IP editor(s) on September 26-27?

Definite evidence that AOL customer(s) read W-R?

I'd proffer that it's more likely that Nevard = Crum375 than SlimVirgin. Or a sock of no one actually mentioned on the W-R before that is enjoying the drama by atttaching him/herself to Slimmy's edit history like no other negative-stalker before! He's a positive-stalker like Crum. Nothing wrong with that in WP-land per their own "rules" if that's the case. And it probably is. Wordbomb, where are you? You're our only socksleuth hope!

Now, what alias's are the famous Mike Bax using on the WP and the W-R now? The W-R Essjay (who himself like Bin Laden hasn't resurfaced as far as you know either ;-) ) isn't going to just go cold turkey on the various wikis.

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[Cla68]

I don't know who Nevard is a sock of, if anyone, but he/she lies in
this edit (which I reverted) summary.

[Proabivouac]

If Nevard is Slim, it's possibly the best sock job ever to be suspected on Wikipedia.

Nevard and Janey are also not socks of each other for similar reasons. Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

I tend to agree with you on both counts.

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[Milton Roe]

What do you make of the little exchange of edit summaries between Nevard and the IP editor(s) on September 26-27?

Definite evidence that AOL customer(s) read W-R?

I'd proffer that it's more likely that Nevard = Crum375 than SlimVirgin. Or a sock of no one actually mentioned on the W-R before that is enjoying the drama by atttaching him/herself to Slimmy's edit history like no other negative-stalker before! He's a positive-stalker like Crum. Nothing wrong with that in WP-land per there own "rules" if that's the case. And it probably is. Wordbomb, where are you? You're our only socksleuth hope!

No, Nevard isn't Crum375 either, by edit times. Nevard is either a vampire, or else he's half a world away from both Slim and Crum, who are several hours away from each other. Crum also appears to have a regular job, or at least a very different editing pattern than Slim. Very hard to keep such stuff up, unless you keep a special "socking" computer at your workplace, and use only for that account, and only there.

Which is one of things Baxter did, BTW. I'm fairly sure he edited "Runcorn" only from home. That fooled a lot of people, as "Runcorn" consistantly started several hours earlier than anybody else in the sockfarm.

[Piperdown]

I don't know who Nevard is a sock of, if anyone, but he/she lies in
this edit (which I reverted) summary.

that's really weird. why would nevard even bother to edit "gracenotes" talk page like that involving en edit from over a year ago? searching wikipedia search for all conversations involving just how ridiculous it was that Weiss's Sockfarm was allowed to flourish for so long by Nevard's Buddies (sox?)? maybe he meant to say "rv edit **about** a banned editor, Gary Weiss and his Selfconsensus Sockfarm"

that does show an emotional attachment to L'Affair D'Weiss...hmmm...

What do you make of the little exchange of edit summaries between Nevard and the IP editor(s) on September 26-27?

Definite evidence that AOL customer(s) read W-R?

I'd proffer that it's more likely that Nevard = Crum375 than SlimVirgin. Or a sock of no one actually mentioned on the W-R before that is enjoying the drama by atttaching him/herself to Slimmy's edit history like no other negative-stalker before! He's a positive-stalker like Crum. Nothing wrong with that in WP-land per there own "rules" if that's the case. And it probably is. Wordbomb, where are you? You're our only socksleuth hope!

No, Nevard isn't Crum375 either, by edit times. Nevard is either a vampire, or else he's half a world away from both Slim and Crum, who are several hours away from each other. Crum also appears to have a regular job, or at least a very different editing pattern than Slim. Very hard to keep such stuff up, unless you keep a special "socking" computer at your workplace, and use only for that account, and only there.

Which is one of things Baxter did, BTW. I'm fairly sure he edited "Runcorn" only from home. That fooled a lot of people, as "Runcorn" consistantly started several hours earlier than anybody else in the sockfarm.

maybe its an Evil Canadian Plot!

Jayjg - Canadian
Slimda - Canadian
Nevard - Candian with some Kiwi thrown in for spice
Crummy - Canadian

Blame Canada!

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[Cla68]

Nevard and Janey are also not socks of each other for similar reasons. Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

I tend to agree with you on both counts.

Janey is being watched fairly closely. That being so, the account probably should avoid violating any policies. In my opinion, one of the purposes of the account is to ensure that this article doesn't get changed from it's current state.

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[Derktar]

And a quote from the lovable Essjay on the user page to top things off.

This really stinks.

[Milton Roe]

maybe its an Evil Canadian Plot!

Jayjg - Canadian
Slimda - Canadian
Nevard - Candian with some Kiwi thrown in for spice
Crummy - Canadian

Blame Canada!

Don't forget Filll and Mike.lifeguard. Hypothesis H1: Lack of vitamin D makes you nonviolent, but liable to poke your nose into other peoples' affairs, in order to fix them up.

Or, maybe "up there," they really are, on average, a little light on their feet... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

[Sarcasticidealist]

Jayjg - Canadian
Slimda - Canadian
Nevard - Candian with some Kiwi thrown in for spice
Crummy - Canadian

Blame Canada!

Dibs on the title of Official Canadabal WR Mole.

(Apologies to anybody expecting a useful contribution in this space.)

And a quote from the lovable Essjay on the user page to top things off.

This really stinks.

The illegitimate combination of "every time" into a compound word? No kidding.

[Piperdown]

maybe its an Evil Canadian Plot!

Jayjg - Canadian
Slimda - Canadian
Nevard - Candian with some Kiwi thrown in for spice
Crummy - Canadian

Blame Canada!

Don't forget Filll and Mike.lifeguard. Hypothesis H1: Lack of vitamin D makes you nonviolent, but liable to poke your nose into other peoples' affairs, in order to fix them up.

Or, maybe "up there," they really are, on average, a little light on their feet... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

Canadians are some of the most lovely people on the planet. That's why this Evil Canadian Plot pains me so much. The national motto is "I'm sorry!". Is there a nicer nation out there? If you go far enough northwest, their native peoples have a tradition of offering their wives up for the night. Now that's just too darned polite!

This national civility would help explain how they've managed to stay within WP:CIVIL so craftily while organising the Royal Wikipedian Mounties to take the very very non-polite folks on W-R off to the stockades.

England? Not so much. Gerard and JzG's "fockoff c*nt!" just wouldn't do in Canada.

[Piperdown]

so....any cunning linguistic analysis of Nevard's and Janey's verbage in store? C'mon all you CL'ers out there, you know you love a good episode of CSI: Brooklyn.

Socks learn how to evade IP analysis. They learn how to go deepcaptureundercover with sleeper sox. They learn how to copy and paste and mimic unique and separate writing styles --- when they have time between edits.

But you corner a mantan and a sami in a rapid-fire talk page dialogue, and the idiots always surface with a common over-rated writing capability and an under-rated emotionally damaged hair trigger.

Engage your suspects in a quick dialogue that doesn't allow any life-lines to be called in. Pull a Slimmy. Invite them for a chat (All you banned Slimfans....remember Slimmy's oh so polite "Please email me" talk page bombs? The first step in the Slimish Inquistion!) The Linguistics will tell the tale!

Any unique phrases used by the latest of the Not Friends of Byrne crew?

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I don't know who Nevard is a sock of, if anyone, but he/she lies in
this edit (which I reverted) summary.

Niels Gade was one of the "LaRouche editors" who was recently swept up in the Will Beback/JzG/Jayjg banfest dragnet. So, if you follow Nevard's logic, he is really saying that a banned editor (Niels) restored a non-banned editor's (Piperdown's) comment, and that gives Nevard, as a yet-to-be-banned abusive sock, license to delete.

[The Adversary]

Nevard and Janey are also not socks of each other for similar reasons. Janey is Mantan, I'm telling you.

I tend to agree with you on both counts.

Janey is being watched fairly closely. That being so, the account probably should avoid violating any policies. In my opinion, one of the purposes of the account is to ensure that this article doesn't get changed from it's current state.

Both John Nevard and JaneyRyan have some reason to feel ...watched. (Of course, that is nothing compared with the Virgin.)

As for John Nevard: GRBerry made the following interesting comment back in May, here:
"Nevard appears to currently be that editors main account."
Question: How does GRBerry know that?

And Nevard famously stated when he started:
"I have another account- however, I'm not going to edit under my real name with a bunch of terrorists running around."

How many editors from Australia have edited under their own name? (Of course: he might not have edited under his own name. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) )

I also thought about Grace Note (an Aussie who really hate WR ..as he was one of the first people to be banned from this site after massive socking )..but it doesn´t really fit. However, Grace Note have had so many user names on WP ("Dr Zen", "Rose Garden" (formely User:James James) + heavens knows how many others), so I might not get the right picture.

And I´m not at all sure that JaneyRyan is GW. "JaneyRyan" is/plays(?) an idiot, something GW certainly is not.

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[Jon Awbrey]

Maybe its an Evil Canadian Plot!

Jayjg — Canadian
Slimda — Canadian
Nevard — Canadian with some Kiwi thrown in for spice
Crummy — Canadian

Blame Canada!

Don't forget Filll and Mike.lifeguard. Hypothesis H1: Lack of vitamin D makes you nonviolent, but liable to poke your nose into other peoples' affairs, in order to fix them up.

Or, maybe "up there", they really are, on average, a little light on their feet … (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

Item. The GWN Version of Desperate Housewives

Hockey FAQs:

1. You call that a HELMET, eh?
2. You think you're spending too much time with the GUYS, eh?
3. The team shrink asked you to spell O-V-E-R-C-O-M-P-E-N-I-S-A-T-I-O-N, eh?

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

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[C H]

I chanced upon this recently. Would Slim or Crum post comiccruft like that?

[Jon Awbrey]

I chanced upon this recently. Would Slim or Crum post comiccruft like that?

Of course not! — It would violate WP:ASR.

Jon (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[Piperdown]

any particular reason that a non-admin Nevard is going around to banned users's talk pages and removing commments by third parties?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=242410717

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=242502561

some of nevard's other activity shows keen interest in an extremely obscure company that Gary Weiss has been fixated on (in addition to Overstock) for years. Note samiharris's activity there. Apparently a blogger who was invested in this stock and bashing gary is what got gary going on this company. Why nevard is interested in it tells me he's a more than just a casual wikistalker of weiss's work. This fella is unusually familiar with obscure topics near and dear to weiss's black heart.

I doubt it's exclusively weiss.

But someday WP is going to have to come to grips with the fact that, if it isn't happening already, an account and password can be shared by an off-wiki organized team (like PETA, or lets say like Gary's favourite hedge fund promotional team featuring Yolanda Holtzee, Floyd Schneider, Jeff Mitchell, Sam Antar, and Daniel Loeb)........and Checkuser results and edit histories will be "weird".

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[Piperdown]

This backs up the Nevard is editing from Canada theory, see the "oops forgot to login" edit.

Revision history of NovaStar Financial

* (cur) (last) 14:39, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,544 bytes) (→Legal Action) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 14:18, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,473 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 13:53, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,318 bytes) (less weasely) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 03:15, 30 September 2008 206.248.168.63 (Talk) (6,321 bytes) (typo) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:43, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,320 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:38, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,157 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:28, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,025 bytes) (research is a wonderful thing) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:27, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,970 bytes) (at a guess, it's nearer 6 than 600... but wth) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:23, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,912 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:15, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,614 bytes) (add link to 8-K filing) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:14, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,529 bytes) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 11:58, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,116 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 07:00, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (5,009 bytes) (→Legal Action) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 06:57, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (4,920 bytes) (→Legal Action) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 00:02, 8 March 2008 65.110.147.213 (Talk) (4,624 bytes) (Updating article to include events that happened in the past 6 months) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:59, 7 March 2008 65.110.147.213 (Talk) (4,524 bytes) (→Stock Price Volatility) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:55, 7 March 2008 65.110.147.213 (Talk) (4,309 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:55, 7 March 2008 65.110.147.213 (Talk) (4,308 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 02:44, 7 March 2008 UnitedStatesian (Talk | contribs) (4,101 bytes) (fixed exchange link) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 02:27, 7 March 2008 UnitedStatesian (Talk | contribs) m (moved NovaStar Financial, Inc. to NovaStar Financial: move article to title that conforms to WP:NC) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 23:28, 9 November 2007 Hmains (Talk | contribs) m (4,113 bytes) (refine cat using AWB) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 18:07, 23 July 2007 Samiharris (Talk | contribs) m (4,051 bytes) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 18:04, 23 July 2007 Samiharris (Talk | contribs) (4,123 bytes) (→Legal Action: adding reference to suit on shorting) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 20:47, 10 April 2007 Ktappe (Talk | contribs) m (Added New Century source) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 20:41, 10 April 2007 Ktappe (Talk | contribs) (Yield spread minimum lawsuit info) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 20:47, 4 April 2007 Ktappe (Talk | contribs) (→Stock Price Volatility: Lack of anticipated profits, steep drop in stock price, and class actions) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 17:13, 7 March 2007 Christofurio (Talk | contribs) m (returning a favor) (undo)
# (cur) (last) 19:20, 24 February 2007 Christofurio (Talk | contribs) (recent information incorporated) (undo)

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[Milton Roe]

This backs up the Nevard is editing from Canada theory, see the "oops forgot to login" edit.

Revision history of NovaStar Financial

* (cur) (last) 14:39, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,544 bytes) (→Legal Action) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 14:18, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,473 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 13:53, 30 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,318 bytes) (less weasely) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 03:15, 30 September 2008 206.248.168.63 (Talk) (6,321 bytes) (typo) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:43, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,320 bytes) (→External links) (undo)
* (cur) (last) 12:38, 29 September 2008 John Nevard (Talk | contribs) (6,157 bytes) (→External

Maybe. But it's a spelling fix that any patrolling editor might fix, and not the daming "Fix my own prose so it reads better, but did it from an IP, wups..." kind of thing that nails a sock down.

That Ontario IP has made a few posts to lists of naked short-seller involved companies, which Nevard hasn't been particularly interested in. And that's all it's done. Something to watch. Hope that IP doesn't read WR....

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I chanced upon this recently. Would Slim or Crum post comiccruft like that?

When Slim first arrived at WP, she would occasionally post whimsical or ribald comments. But as she clawed her way up the hierarchy, she found it necessary to maintain a more sober and authoritarian/bureaucratic persona. I think she might enjoy letting her hair down a bit when deploying her socks.

[Cla68]

Based on these edits and edit summaries, I think that if Nevard is a sock, then its a sock of Weiss or Tony Sideaway.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Nevard admits he's a sock, so the only question is, of whom? The Nevard account seems to regularly patrol a variety of user talk pages, deleting comments at will.

[Piperdown]

any particular reason that a non-admin Nevard is going around to banned users's talk pages and removing commments by third parties?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=242410717

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=242502561

Nevard's "typical..", written in the notes for each edit, is a personal attack on Cla68.

Perhaps some Wikpedian would like to ask John for more details on what he is accusing Cla68 of doing wrong.


You linguistic forensic types out there....has Jayjg ever used "weasely" in an edit summary before? I'm looking at nevard's recent edit summaries and that one stands out

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[Proabivouac]

Nevard admits he's a sock, so the only question is, of whom? The Nevard account seems to regularly patrol a variety of user talk pages, deleting comments at will.

Guess this is out the window…

Any current or future editor who, after this decision is announced, makes substantial edits to naked short selling, Overstock.com, Patrick M. Byrne, Gary Weiss, or closely related pages or discussions on any page is directed:
(A) To edit on these from only a single user account, which shall be the user's sole or main account
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Req...tors_instructed

Even if User:John Nevard is now banned from the page due to his admission, it will have no effect on sockmasters who remember not to admit that they have another account.

This, likewise:

(D) To disclose on the relevant talk pages any circumstances (but not including personal identifying information) that constitute or may reasonably be perceived as constituting a conflict of interest with respect to that page.

It restricts honest people, but, like many Wikipedia policies, will have no effect upon anyone willing to lie.

The only real solution is that no one can edit the page unless he or she proves who he or she is. Come to think of it…

[One]

It restricts honest people, but, like many Wikipedia policies, will have no effect upon anyone willing to lie.

The only real solution is that no one can edit the page unless he or she proves who he or she is. Come to think of it…

Right. WP:COI is similarly absurd.

If there's page on Wikipedia that might force the identification issue, it's that one. Some users might demand it if Mantan is caught again. I think that would be a welcome foot in the door.

[Cla68]

Based on these edits and edit summaries, I think that if Nevard is a sock, then its a sock of Weiss or Tony Sideaway.

You notice that no one has zeroed in on the account and asked it some hard, direct questions yet? This shows　me, more than anything, that Wikipedia's administrators are becoming cynical and jaded. That's not a good sign for the project.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

You notice that no one has zeroed in on the account and asked it some hard, direct questions yet? This shows　me, more than anything, that Wikipedia's administrators are becoming cynical and jaded. That's not a good sign for the project.

This, to my mind, is further evidence that the primary account is SlimVirgin. When her "Sweet Blue Water" account was blocked by Cyde as an abusive sock account, the block was overturned by Jimbo. When her "Sunsplash" account was detected here at the Review, she stopped using it the next day, but it remains viable. And that very day, the Nevard account was created, which strikes me as a remarkable coincidence. But there seems to be a consensus among admins that since SV has been stalked by a veritable army of Jason Bourne-like super-trolls, it is entirely acceptable for her to create an Attack of the Clones-style counter-army.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

When the discussion began on the Administrator's Noticeboard in preparation to ban Terrawatt, he posted a message saying basically, "Hey, I'm being accused of being a puppet by a guy who admits to being a puppet." The administrators all ignored this point.

[Cla68]

Based on these edits and edit summaries, I think that if Nevard is a sock, then its a sock of Weiss or Tony Sideaway.

You notice that no one has zeroed in on the account and asked it some hard, direct questions yet? This shows　me, more than anything, that Wikipedia's administrators are becoming cynical and jaded. That's not a good sign for the project.

Sir Fozzie has asked Nevard to use only one account when editing the Weiss-related articles.

[everyking]

Based on these edits and edit summaries, I think that if Nevard is a sock, then its a sock of Weiss or Tony Sideaway.

You notice that no one has zeroed in on the account and asked it some hard, direct questions yet? This shows　me, more than anything, that Wikipedia's administrators are becoming cynical and jaded. That's not a good sign for the project.

Sir Fozzie has asked Nevard to use only one account when editing the Weiss-related articles.

How does Fozzie know that Nevard's main account edits (or edited) those articles?

[dogbiscuit]

How does Fozzie know that Nevard's main account edits (or edited) those articles?

He doesn't. Read the link, SirFozzie makes it quite clear that it is the self-declared alternate account that is breaking a specific requirement of the arbcom ruling. Pretty water-tight from where I am looking.

[Piperdown]

so nevard is caught in a lie about his "alternate account" past statement, then proceeds to accuse Cla68 of stalking a "respected admin".

Classic!

He's got the Slimmy Talk Page Blanking habit down too. Really not repsecting some respected admins on his talk page, that's for sure. Nevard's got emotional issues just like his idols gary and slimmy. Nevard is an alternate account of someone who was very involved in the Byrne-Mack-Cla68-Gary wars. I don't know who, but there's no doubt. Like when a CSI investigator discovers a homicide scene evidence reveals that a perp was emotionally involved and not just a random, unfortunate incident, this is someone who has an emotional investment in the NSS issue and the Slim & Gary Team Issue.

There's new blood afoot, meanwhile, to try and portray NSS (further, as WP has done for years), as a "fringe" (read nutjob conspiracy theory) issue.

Nevermind that it's been the SEC Head's highest public profile issue recently, he's taken action against it and made several strident statements about it, and many prominent nations in the world have taken steps to ban or curb it.

Yeah, it's a fringe issue if your livelihood depends on either encouraging its very profitable practice (stock lending for free, intra-day bear raiding for short/put profits, etc), trying to cover up the fact that you're a regulator and let it go on, or cover up the fact that you're a corrupt journalist that made a career out of dismissing it so your sources's illegal "strategies" could flourish.

On the short & distort front, the US media is ablaze with the recent "Citizen Journalist on CNN" doing a short and distort on the health of Apple's Steve Jobs.

Kind of like the Byrne's Crazy Project.

By the way, the same assholes that were abusing overstock's equities also were/are massively short on Apple.

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[Milton Roe]

By the way, the same assholes that were abusing overstock's equities also were/are massively short on Apple.

I think a bite out of this Apple will prove (legal) short-seller poison. Though some may have gotten away already.

Come Monday I think the market will do what it did last Tuesday, which is wake up and realize that the Sun is still shining, we didn't have an earthquake, new terrorist attack, or get into a new war, and there are some real deals out there. No, I don't think our problems are over (we may at best be in for another year of this), but this week has been mostly about frayed-nerves and I think the Friday sell-off even after the bailout was about shot nerves and a desire to go home and not think about it. After a weekend of rest, I think you'll see some recovery by the end of Monday. AAPL at 97 is just silly.

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[Cla68]

SirFozzie just reported Nevard to the ArbCom enforcement board.

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[One]

Puzzling checkuser results. I find that really puzzling. I would have bet hard money that he's not a sock of any known player.

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[Piperdown]

not saying its going on in this case, but shared accounts will lead to puzzling results.

i'm surprised GW didn't already try it before, or anyone else on WP. Haven't heard much about such scheme being preventable or detectable.

Then again Nevard could be some guy in New Zealand who latched onto one side of a drama for the "lulz". Irking a major website and a Web 2.0 CEO in direct engagement can be thrilling for you Walter Mittys out there.

[Milton Roe]

Then again Nevard could be some guy in New Zealand who latched onto one side of a drama for the "lulz". Irking a major website and a Web 2.0 CEO in direct engagement can be thrilling for you Walter Mittys out there.

Except when they catch one of your socks and begin to roll up your whole ring. Pocketa-pocketa-pheep!

[Milton Roe]

By the way, the same assholes that were abusing overstock's equities also were/are massively short on Apple.

I think a bite out of this Apple will prove (legal) short-seller poison. Though some may have gotten away already.

Come Monday I think the market will do what it did last Tuesday, which is wake up and realize that the Sun is still shining, we didn't have an earthquake, new terrorist attack, or get into a new war, and there are some real deals out there. No, I don't think our problems are over (we may at best be in for another year of this), but this week has been mostly about frayed-nerves and I think the Friday sell-off even after the bailout was about shot nerves and a desire to go home and not think about it. After a weekend of rest, I think you'll see some recovery by the end of Monday. AAPL at 97 is just silly.

Oh, crap. I wasn't counting on the European economy to melt down over the weekend.

See, this is why I'm not your hedge fund manager. Not that they're doing very well, either (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

The sun'll come out
Tomorrow
So ya gotta hang on
'til tomorrow
Come what may

Tomorrow!
Tomorrow!
I love ya
Tomorrow!
You're always
A day
A way!

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[One]

Puzzling checkuser results.

Thatcher adds interesting detail.

I do not see evidence of multiple account use by John Nevard within the period covered by the checkuser tables as of today. He appears to edit from a university, a business, a residence, and occasionally tor; I do not know if that is of significance. (Curiously, 3 other editors at his university appear to be sockpuppets of each other, but since they share a different residential ISP I'm ruling John Nevard out as a fourth member of the party.) I'm not sure what information John has volunteered about his location, so I will only say he is not in the U.S., which seems to rule out the kind of long-distance dial-up shenanigans discovered involving Bassetcat, and also rules out any direct relationship with JaneyRyan. Hope this helps clarify things. Thatcher 17:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It's always striking to me how common sockpuppeteering is. They point CU to a random non-US University and discover three unrelated socks! Checkusers aspire to hold back the Mongol horde with a BB gun. The problem is not inadequate tools, but the utter absense of any rational up-front verification policy.

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[Milton Roe]

Puzzling checkuser results.

Thatcher adds interesting detail.

I do not see evidence of multiple account use by John Nevard within the period covered by the checkuser tables as of today. He appears to edit from a university, a business, a residence, and occasionally tor; I do not know if that is of significance. (Curiously, 3 other editors at his university appear to be sockpuppets of each other, but since they share a different residential ISP I'm ruling John Nevard out as a fourth member of the party.) I'm not sure what information John has volunteered about his location, so I will only say he is not in the U.S., which seems to rule out the kind of long-distance dial-up shenanigans discovered involving Bassetcat, and also rules out any direct relationship with JaneyRyan. Hope this helps clarify things. Thatcher 17:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It's always striking to me how common sockpuppeteering is. They point CU to a random non-US University and discover three unrelated socks! Checkusers aspire to hold back the Mongol horde with a BB gun. The problem is not inadequate tools, but the utter absense of any rational up-front verification policy.

He has just indirectly confirmed that Janeyryan IS in the US. And you're probably right that Janey is Mantan/Weiss. And IS using the Bassettcat-style dialup-- just more carefully.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

not saying its going on in this case, but shared accounts will lead to puzzling results.

Are the Nevard checkuser and the Janeyryan checkuser puzzling in a very similar way?

I'm not sure what information John has volunteered about his location, so I will only say he is not in the U.S., which seems to rule out the kind of long-distance dial-up shenanigans discovered involving Bassetcat, and also rules out any direct relationship with JaneyRyan. Thatcher 17:46, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Never mind.

[Piperdown]

jayjg once again proves that the desperation in his "you got my back?" canvassing on wikien-l is not waning....Lar's on the BADSITES TARGET LIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=243557709

So Nevard edits from a university, a company, his home, and TOR.

Busy guy. Can you say shared account.

If he edits from Varkala or Swallwell this month, do let the WP'ians know...

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[Proabivouac]

jayjg once again proves that the desperation in his "you got my back?" canvassing on wikien-l is not waning....Lar's on the BADSITES TARGET LIST.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=243557709

Even if he isn't editing "disruptive[ly] or tendentiousl[y]" the fact it's an alternate account - abusive or not - violates the Mantanmoreland ruling, per:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=133898

That doesn't mean he must be blocked, but that he has to stay away from those articles.

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[SirFozzie]

They're reporting that what John is saying is true, that this IS a one and only account now, it started off as an alternate account but that other account (whatever it was), has fallen into disuse. So I have no problem with that.

That answered the question I had with the MM remedies. I would encourage JN to let an ArbCom member know what the past account name was, and we can put it behind us.

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[Piperdown]

if he was an enemy of SV he'd be banned for TORing by now.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Would it be safe to assume that this checkusering of Nevard eliminates the possibility that Slim is the sockmistress, seeing as how she was also recently checkusered by Lar? Would her IP info be accessible to whomever checkusered Nevard?

[Piperdown]

Would it be safe to assume that this checkusering of Nevard eliminates the possibility that Slim is the sockmistress, seeing as how she was also recently checkusered by Lar? Would her IP info be accessible to whomever checkusered Nevard?

you know the term "starf*cker"?

nevard's a WP starf*cker.

some wikistalkers are more welcome (and beneficial to their stalkees) than others, lol.
One thing's for sure. Johnny Nev is yet another big fan of the W-R.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nev has loaned out his account for useful edits by the objects of his wikiaffection. Surely that sort of thing happens on WP. It would be so damn easy for 2 or more people to share a series of sock accounts and coordinate who's logged in when from where to create a 'puzzling' CU. Not saying that's the case with nevard. Just sayin'.

the matter of "janeyryan" will probably turn out to be a whole 'nother animal.

And the point made that Nev has used TOR to edit (but not on hotbutton articles) is ok whereas others using TOR, like some torpedo'ed RFA candidates that are much less dramawhores have, isn't, and caused them to have their RFA's bombed and their accounts blocked....well, that's just 10 ways to sunday f*cked up. To use the parlance of our sad times.

Nevard has as much right as anyone to edit Naked Short Selling and play pitbull for what's left of the sad group of disgraced admins that used to be above the law.... as much as anyone else does on WP under there own rules, at this time. As far as you know. Some restrictions may apply. See WP for details. Not for sale in stores. Restocking fees may apply.

It's the Encyclopedia that anyone can anonymously play "Survivor" realityshow games on!

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[It's the blimp, Frank]

Cool! Will Beback and Jayjg rush to the defense of Nevard at Arbitration Enforcement. But then, in the next edit, WP:Office protects the page. What does this mean?

[Lar]

Cool! Will Beback and Jayjg rush to the defense of Nevard at Arbitration Enforcement. But then, in the next edit, WP:Office protects the page. What does this mean?

An IP has a sense of humor? See the next diff. I LOLed though.

[dtobias]

That OFFICE thing was from an anon IP otherwise known for vandalism, so I seriously doubt that any real WP:OFFICE action was involved. It's been reverted anyway, and consisted only of putting an OFFICE template in place of the page content, without any actual page protection (something which a non-admin wouldn't be able to do anyway).

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[JoseClutch]

jayjg once again proves that the desperation in his "you got my back?" canvassing on wikien-l is not waning....Lar's on the BADSITES TARGET LIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=243557709

So Nevard edits from a university, a company, his home, and TOR.

Busy guy. Can you say shared account.

If he edits from Varkala or Swallwell this month, do let the WP'ians know...

That is really not very surprising. At my peak, I was editing from a university, a business and four homes (though two far more than the third and fourth), as well as the occasional outlier (such as a hotel). No TOR, but the reality is any semi-active editor probably edits from a variety of places.

[flash]

Note the familiar anime on this version of the User:John Nevard page.

On closer examination, it is actually a link to something called {{User:SlimVirgin/usefullinks}}.

It looks like a 'slam dunk' to me, not to mention, as Thatcher puts it, a 'quack like a duck'...

Two practical points, a lot of people go on and on about 'geolocating' IPs. A computer can change its IP in several ways, but the easist, - we can all do this - is to use an international phone call to an ISP based abroad. If you use your desktop for one computer and your laptop for another, and swap browsers, there's no way anyone can track the changes electronically. Slim does not need to do anything clever to edit from NZ.

Thatcher, who I have dealt with, is an IDIOT. I dislike him completely. That's the generous point of view of him - the less kind is that he is actually a cunnign member of the cabal, lying and spreading misinformation. This idea that there were three 'unconnected' sockpuppets using a universtiy netwrok, for example - what is that? All my sockpuppet friends here have been banned by Thatcher for geolocating to the same network (which has several thousand users). Their edit histories were different, as can be seen if you look at the WP histories. Thatcher, when it suited him, said that a shared IP meant a sockpuppet ('vide' the 'new sockpuppets not doing anything bad at the moment' story, just above in this thread) and when the IP's did not overlap, said there were 'near' misses and anyway shared editing interests beyond 'probable'.

Anyway, notwithstanding 'One' who seems to be just another timewasting WP admin patrolling the Review, JN is a sock of SV.

The other interesting thing about him is that he is a 'he'. I beleive Slim is a he too. I have analysed hundreds of 'its' emails now, and I'm certain of this: anything Slim says is said - planted - to mislead. Slim says she is a woman, therefore, Slim is a man.

John Nevard is a little bit playful, having this dull name but Slim's anima friend. But I had Slim review my book recently - she emailed me to say she would do it - on Amazon under the name 'John Hamilton' too. Again, if we checkuser the review, it has all the Slim quacks in it:

Hobbie horse 1. Factual inaccuracies:

It is riddled with factual inaccuracies.

Hobbie horse 2. Oxbridge Philosophers:

I am not an expert on every philosopher in this book, so I can't always tell whether what he says about a given philosopher is true or not. But the chapter on Russell (about whom I do know something) is appalling.

and on to Hobbie horse 3. - Slim's trademark - logic chopping:

the phrase 'two dogs', for Russell, "is just another way of saying of some dogs that they have the quality 'twoness'." In fact, Russell said that 'twoness' was a property, not of some (individual) dogs, but of classes of dogs. When explaining a subtle point of logic, it is, I think, important to get it right.

Forgive repetition, please, as I already moaned about this duplcity on WR before, but I think it is worth stressing how SV gives herself away not at all by the technical evidence, but by the textual clues.

Another Slim Oxbridge (indeed Cambridge) favourite is Wittgenstein, who she adores. She comes a cropper in the review as she wrongly disputes Ludwig's contempt for nuclear disarmers. This should give us heart: Slim is not infallible!

Indeed not, Amazon reveals the id, including their location, of psudonymous reviewers to authors when presented with a legal demand to do so...

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

Thatcher, who I have dealt with, is an IDIOT. I dislike him completely. That's the generous point of view of him - the less kind is that he is actually a cunnign member of the cabal, lying and spreading misinformation.

Not a plausible claim. While Thatcher could not be described as an anti-Cabal activist, he did come forward to support the failed attempt to bring Chip Berlet before the ArbCom, which put him at odds with every important member of the Cabal.

[flash]

Thatcher, who I have dealt with, is an IDIOT. I dislike him completely. That's the generous point of view of him - the less kind is that he is actually a cunnign member of the cabal, lying and spreading misinformation.

Not a plausible claim. While Thatcher could not be described as an anti-Cabal activist, he did come forward to support the failed attempt to bring Chip Berlet before the ArbCom, which put him at odds with every important member of the Cabal.

Presumably Thatcher being in the Cabal is the implausible bit, which only leaves the 'idiot' explanation for how he can rule so ineptly on cases involving the best-entrenched editorheads...

BTW Jimmy tells one of my colleagues re. John = Slim (who cited the 'content' evidence)

"If you have concerns about someone sockpuppeting, you shouldn't talk to
me about it. That's not my role."

PROOF!
Jiimmy, Slimey. John Nevard, are all fake persona for a well-organised team of CIA misinformation workers.

[Somey]

PROOF!
Jiimmy, Slimey. John Nevard, are all fake persona for a well-organised team of CIA misinformation workers.

Good! Well, I'm glad we cleared that up! For one ghastly moment there, I thought they might be... trolls! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

[Piperdown]

PROOF!
Jiimmy, Slimey. John Nevard, are all fake persona for a well-organised team of CIA misinformation workers.

Good! Well, I'm glad we cleared that up! For one ghastly moment there, I thought they might be... trolls! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

somey/selina/whatever, your forum has been thoroughly flashed...um...trolled. But flashing might be more accurate here. Trenchcoat and bare legs with black sox and all. I thought Flash might be more like the fast dude in the red lightning getup, but the trenchcoat sans pants guy is showing his shrinkage instead...

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[Milton Roe]

PROOF!
Jiimmy, Slimey. John Nevard, are all fake persona for a well-organised team of CIA misinformation workers.

Actually, CIA misinformation slave-workers. Chained to their computers most of the time. Operatives deliver propaganda orders and necessities. Slimey gets dogfood and cabbage pirogies. Jimbo exists mostly on moonpies and RC Cola. Nevard slips the chain sometimes during a full moon, a spring lamb disappears, and he's left with a hole in his memory and no explanation of the odd stains of blood and mint sauce...

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[It's the blimp, Frank]

Let me throw out a wild new hypothesis. John Nevard is Will Beback. They consistently act as a tag team, and they have 185 share articles!

[Daniel Brandt]

Let me throw out a wild new hypothesis. John Nevard is Will Beback. They consistently act as a tag team, and they have 185 share articles!

Sounds about right. Will Beback is fond of switching usernames. Both Will Beback and John Nevard messed with the Google Watch article that's up for AfD, on Oct 12 and Oct 15. I don't think Slim is on my case these days. Also, Nevard's edit was to insert a proxy URL to strip off the redirect on a citation link, which is too technical for Slim's modus operandi.

Will Beback is in Los Angeles or thereabouts. Any slip-ups by Nevard that show his IP? Where's the diff for that "dynamic IP in New Zealand" mentioned by Tarantino in the first post? It's worth another look.

Later: There was some checkusering done on Nevard within just the last two weeks. Results are inconclusive. (bottom of page)

[Milton Roe]

Let me throw out a wild new hypothesis. John Nevard is Will Beback. They consistently act as a tag team, and they have 185 share articles!

Sounds about right. Will Beback is fond of switching usernames. Both Will Beback and John Nevard messed with the Google Watch article that's up for AfD, on Oct 12 and Oct 15. I don't think Slim is on my case these days. Also, Nevard's edit was to insert a proxy URL to strip off the redirect on a citation link, which is too technical for Slim's modus operandi.

Will Beback is in Los Angeles or thereabouts. Any slip-ups by Nevard that show his IP? Where's the diff for that "dynamic IP in New Zealand" mentioned by Tarantino in the first post? It's worth another look.

As has been noted, Will's real name is known (see the Will Beback thread). He works for L.A. City. Nevard goes to bed 6 hours after Will Beback does, which would indeed tend to put Nevard out in the Pacific Ocean a long way, farther than Hawaii (3-4 hours later), and more like New Zealand (5-6 hours later than LA) or Australia. Not the same guy. Their interests are different, despite the fact that Will's very high edit count give him a pretty high correlation with lots of people. Will's Kabal count is 36, for instance. Nevard's is only 14. If you want to see a high correlation score due to common interests, check out Will Beback and Jossi: 537 articles edited together. But one is certainly not the other.

If you're not convinced, notice that Nevard sometimes does not leave an edit diff, and the faction of time he does not, is farily constant. Will Beback almost invariably leaves one. This kind of thing is very hard to fake in a sock, unless you're consciencious to the point of obscession.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

you know the term "starf*cker"?

nevard's a WP starf*cker.

some wikistalkers are more welcome (and beneficial to their stalkees) than others, lol.
One thing's for sure. Johnny Nev is yet another big fan of the W-R.

Isn't there some rule that says a "meatpuppet" is functionally the same as a sockpuppet?

[Piperdown]

you know the term "starf*cker"?

nevard's a WP starf*cker.

some wikistalkers are more welcome (and beneficial to their stalkees) than others, lol.
One thing's for sure. Johnny Nev is yet another big fan of the W-R.

Isn't there some rule that says a "meatpuppet" is functionally the same as a sockpuppet?

since I was banned as a "meatpuppet of Overstock" by David "ShootUtahOnSightOrNoSight" Gerard before it was overturned for WP:GERARDISADIPSHIT, I'm certainly not going to advocate putting a "meatpuppet" ban on Nevard if he isn't Weiss or any other coi type involved in....people have a right to be wrong about NSS in a similar way to Gary, lol.

Plus, gary's janeyryan and/or johnnyb256 just isn't getting the job done on their own on keeping the "Joe Nocera says Patty is Whacky!" and "NSS doesn't happen!" flame alive all by themselves. Especially with those half dozen WP editors on those toxic articles now putting in balanced accounts of referenced articles by journalists. Journalists, not columnists, who investigate and report on both sides of an issue -- not just write an editorial column on their opinion on something that they refuse to investigate in the first place. Kind of like the WP editorialisers who refused to investigate MM=SH=TS etc for 2 years.

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

Here's a clue: SlimVirgin has been known to address her WP buddies by their RL names, and in this talk page reply she addresses Nevard as "Bill."

[Eva Destruction]

Here's a clue: SlimVirgin has been known to address her WP buddies by their RL names, and in this talk page reply she addresses Nevard as "Bill."

Scroll up - she's replying to someone called "Bill Chadwell" posting immediately above Nevard.

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

D'oh.

[CharlotteWebb]

If you're not convinced, notice that Nevard sometimes does not leave an edit diff, and the faction of time he does not, is farily constant. Will Beback almost invariably leaves one. This kind of thing is very hard to fake in a sock, unless you're consciencious to the point of obscession.

Sorry, what do you mean by "leave an edit diff" (which is unavoidable unless it is a null edit).

If I could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I would.

[Lar]

If you're not convinced, notice that Nevard sometimes does not leave an edit diff, and the faction of time he does not, is farily constant. Will Beback almost invariably leaves one. This kind of thing is very hard to fake in a sock, unless you're consciencious to the point of obscession.

Sorry, what do you mean by "leave an edit diff" (which is unavoidable unless it is a null edit).

If I could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I would.

I think he means an edit "summary".

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[CharlotteWebb]

If you're not convinced, notice that Nevard sometimes does not leave an edit diff, and the faction of time he does not, is farily constant. Will Beback almost invariably leaves one. This kind of thing is very hard to fake in a sock, unless you're consciencious to the point of obscession.

Sorry, what do you mean by "leave an edit diff" (which is unavoidable unless it is a null edit).

If I could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I would.

I think he means an edit "summary".

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Oh, ok. In that context Milton's comment makes sense, but I'm not so sure about his argument. It's not that difficult deliberately use (or fail to use) an edit summary.

I have no opinion on the original question, but I'm just saying that edit summary numbers are poor evidence for or against anything. Consider that the wealth of evidence against various Sockenpuppen der Nacktverkauf der Lederhosen was judged not to amount to anything.

[Kelly Martin]

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Gonna block everyone with oversight, then? Because people with oversight (or with friends with oversight) can edit without leaving diffs. Just ask SlimVirgin or FT2, amongst others.

[Lar]

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Gonna block everyone with oversight, then? Because people with oversight (or with friends with oversight) can edit without leaving diffs. Just ask SlimVirgin or FT2, amongst others.

Not the same thing, and you know it. Oversight removes, it does not enable initial traceless editing.

Note that I don't support oversighting things away just because they're inconvenient. If clear evidence of such is brought forward it should be acted on. The current allegations swirling around concern me greatly but I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement (and likely never will) on my own.

PS if I was actually going to try to block everyone with oversight, I'd have to block myself, since I have it. Just not on en:wp at this time.

[CharlotteWebb]

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Gonna block everyone with oversight, then? Because people with oversight (or with friends with oversight) can edit without leaving diffs. Just ask SlimVirgin or FT2, amongst others.

No shit. If I was 66.185.0.212 I'd be mad enough to sue someone right about now [1] (warning: not safe for brain).

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[Kelly Martin]

Note that I don't support oversighting things away just because they're inconvenient. If clear evidence of such is brought forward it should be acted on. The current allegations swirling around concern me greatly but I don't have enough information to make an informed judgement (and likely never will) on my own.

Indeed, the evidence of such malicious misuse of oversight is hidden by design, ensuring that nobody will ever be held accountable for its use.

[Lar]

Note that I don't support oversighting things away just because they're inconvenient. If clear evidence of such is brought forward it should be acted on. The current allegations swirling around concern me greatly but I don't have enough information to make an informed judgment (and likely never will) on my own.

Indeed, the evidence of such malicious misuse of oversight is hidden by design, ensuring that nobody will ever be held accountable for its use.

Presumably BRION can see it, though, or so I was told. (I've not read the code to go see for myself, mind you)

You'd have to make a pretty convincing circumstantial case, presumably, before he'd go look.

However, at least for recent oversights on Commons, I can see the contents of every oversight done, whether it was done by me or by our other oversighter. But then, he and I copy each other on every request we receive anyway, so we are auditing each other as we go. I don't know what the practice on en:wp is, though, since I don't hold the oversight bit there.

So I'm guessing any steward could turn oversight on (on some given wiki) for themselves and go check. But, again, there would have to be a pretty compelling case made first. Especially on wikis with a large cadre of oversighters.

[Milton Roe]

If you're not convinced, notice that Nevard sometimes does not leave an edit diff, and the faction of time he does not, is farily constant. Will Beback almost invariably leaves one. This kind of thing is very hard to fake in a sock, unless you're consciencious to the point of obscession.

Sorry, what do you mean by "leave an edit diff" (which is unavoidable unless it is a null edit).

If I could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I would.

I think he means an edit "summary".

If you could edit without leaving a diff, believe me I'd block you. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Oh, ok. In that context Milton's comment makes sense, but I'm not so sure about his argument. It's not that difficult deliberately use (or fail to use) an edit summary.

I have no opinion on the original question, but I'm just saying that edit summary numbers are poor evidence for or against anything. Consider that the wealth of evidence against various Sockenpuppen der Nacktverkauf der Lederhosen was judged not to amount to anything.

Sorry, I did mean diff edit summary. And it is quite heard to make the same fraction of edit summaries in one account, but not another. You'd have to keep a notebook or counter which went "BING" to remind you of the proper frequency to leave a diff summary, which is somewhat user-characteristic (though of course not very specific--- it's more like a blood type than a fingerprint).

[CharlotteWebb]

Sorry, I did mean diff edit summary. And it is quite heard to make the same fraction of edit summaries in one account, but not another. You'd have to keep a notebook or counter which went "BING" to remind you of the proper frequency to leave a diff summary, which is somewhat user-characteristic (though of course not very specific--- it's more like a blood type than a fingerprint).

Once again I think you're making something out of nothing. If somebody cared enough to use edit summaries exactly 98.6% of the time they could easily do so without having to even think about it.

var x = "";
if(Math.random() < 0.986) x = prompt_for_edit_summary_or_generate_one_randomly();
document.getElementById("wpSummary").value = x;

Not rocket science.

[Milton Roe]

Sorry, I did mean diff edit summary. And it is quite heard to make the same fraction of edit summaries in one account, but not another. You'd have to keep a notebook or counter which went "BING" to remind you of the proper frequency to leave a diff summary, which is somewhat user-characteristic (though of course not very specific--- it's more like a blood type than a fingerprint).

Once again I think you're making something out of nothing. If somebody cared enough to use edit summaries exactly 98.6% of the time they could easily do so without having to even think about it.

var x = "";
if(Math.random() < 0.986) x = prompt_for_edit_summary_or_generate_one_randomly();
document.getElementById("wpSummary").value = x;

Not rocket science.

Well, thanks for that. And now, I'm sure socks will.

Have you got one that turns your computer into an alarmclock that tells which sock it's time to quit editing and go to bed?

[CharlotteWebb]

Well, thanks for that. And now, I'm sure socks will.

Have you got one that turns your computer into an alarmclock that tells which sock it's time to quit editing and go to bed?

Can't go to bed now, arbcom voting starts soon.

But seriously, bugger off. I'm just pointing out that even somebody too brain-dead to keep track of themselves would have something idiot-proof to fall back on.

Should be obvious to anyone who's actually thought about this, so don't give me too much credit.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Since the identity of Nevard's sockmeister has thus far stumped the experts, I'm throwing out a new hypothesis: Nevard is Dking. The evidence is slim (NPI,) but rests on the basis of two known facts:

1. Similar POV

2. Both were gone for about three weeks (Dking contributions)(John Nevard contributions), and then both returned to make the same edit in an edit war.

Does this strike you as a possible lead?

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Dking has a childish and asinine style, but he can write passable English. Nevard is simply incoherent. Plus, Nevard edits all sorts of articles, while Dking is an obvious SPA (you would think the admins would notice that!)

[WordBomb]

I don't know who John Nevard's primary account is, but IRL he is John Hempton. Read about him here.

[JohnA]

I don't know who John Nevard's primary account is, but IRL he is John Hempton. Read about him here.

Oh crap.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Having now read the Sith Lord blog, my Finely Honed Linguistic Analytic Skillsâ„¢ tell me the following: highly plausible though not conclusive. Do you have any sekrit evidence that you are at liberty to share with us, WB?

[WordBomb]

Having now read the Sith Lord blog, my Finely Honed Linguistic Analytic Skillsâ„¢ tell me the following: highly plausible though not conclusive. Do you have any sekrit evidence that you are at liberty to share with us, WB?

I do, but not that I want to share right now, though that time will come. And allow me to point out that to be completely accurate, there's a chance that John Nevard is just a close associate of Hempton's...I've not taken the time to nail him ten different ways, a la Mantanmoreland/Gary Weiss.

[tarantino]

John Nevard seems to be having a bit of trouble with his proxy also. Not being an admin or having been granted the special dispensation of ipblockexempt, his proxy use should probably be curtailed.

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

Statement by John Nevard

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[WordBomb]

John Nevard seems to be having a bit of trouble with his proxy also. Not being an admin or having been granted the special dispensation of ipblockexempt, his proxy use should probably be curtailed.

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

Statement by John Nevard

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I suspect what you're seeing here is just the result of composing his comments in Word and pasting them into a rich text type editing window that attempts to preserve formatting. However I could be very wrong.

[tarantino]

John Nevard seems to be having a bit of trouble with his proxy also. Not being an admin or having been granted the special dispensation of ipblockexempt, his proxy use should probably be curtailed.

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

Statement by John Nevard

Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4

I suspect what you're seeing here is just the result of composing his comments in Word and pasting them into a rich text type editing window that attempts to preserve formatting. However I could be very wrong.

Heh, you're probably right. I don't use Word, so I've never had the occasion to notice that.

[Piperdown]

John Nevard and why he should be topic banned from articles involving a WP editor in outstanding standing, Patrick Byrne, Fairfax Financial, Overstock.com, and Naked Short Selling......John Nevard is John Hempton in RL:

Introducing John Hempton: the Plunderer from Down UnderWhile an examination of the recently-unsealed products of discovery in the Fairfax Financial (NYSE:FFH) vs. SAC Capital, el al, lawsuit reveals the extensive involvement of most all the usual players — both in the world of hedge funds and business journalism — one name, mostly unknown to those outside Fairfax circles, appears quite prominently: John Hempton of Sydney, Australia.

Hempton, it appears, conceived of and initially orchestrated the entire Fairfax fiasco. At the time, he was a senior analyst at Australia’s Platinum Asset Management hedge fund. Last year he left Platinum to join Global Value Investors, though on May 15 of this year, Hempton started a blog and began calling himself semi-retired; leading me to presume that some time in early May, Hempton and GIV parted ways.

Though possibly mere coincidence, Herb Greenberg abandoned his MarketWatch gig on May 1, 2008 while Bethany McLean announced her departure from Fortune three days later. Greenberg and McLean, as it turns out, both play notable roles in the apparent Hempton-inspired conspiracy.

A reading of Hempton’s early efforts to win converts to his thesis that Fairfax was a ticking time bomb waiting to implode suggests his conclusions were based on what he viewed as sound principles; he really was convinced, and composed multiple, lengthy missives outlining his reasoning. I suspect Hempton’s mistake was then convincing some of the worst people on Wall Street, whose methods fill the pages of this blog, and whose influence probably turned his project from a speculative to a criminal enterprise, dragging Hempton down with it.

That’s not to say that any of this absolves Hempton of blame.

For one, a 2002 email sent to Rocker Partners employee Monty Montgomery makes it clear that Hempton is prominent stock message board poster Brolgaboy (and brolgaboy1 on Yahoo Finance).

I asked Hempton to comment on or clarify this email, but he refused.

That may be because he knows that, thanks to the Yahoo Dissembler Sorting Algorithm bug, it’s possible to know with certainty that in addition to brolgaboy1, Hempton is also Yahoo posters jamiewoodford1, scudzy_short, zipperdydoodah, and (my favorite) mr_byrnes_sith_lord.

Between them, these accounts have many hundreds of posts on Yahoo Finance, to say nothing of the hundreds more posted to several other boards.

Here’s where I really begin to lose patience with John Hempton.

On August 15, 2005, Hempton created and began posting taunting messages under the name mr_byrnes_sith_lord. This was three days after DeepCapture.com contributor and Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne announced a lawsuit against Gradient Analytics and Rocker Partners hedge fund for conspiring to get rich by destroying his company. At that time, Byrne further announced that he had evidence of a central figure — whom Byrne metaphorically compared to the shadowy “Sith Lord” of the Star Wars series — coordinating these attacks in ways nobody had previously considered possible.

Also on August 15, 2005, Hempton created the Sith Lord blog, which he further used, over the space of two months, to deride Byrne for claiming that short-selling hedge funds might operate in a coordinated way to destroy public companies.

In case you’ve missed it, the extreme irony here is that at least initially, in the case of the attack on Fairfax Financial, Hempton himself filled a version of the very role he attacked Byrne for daring to claim exists.

http://www.deepcapture.com/introducing-joh...rom-down-under/


The Fairfax situation is much more damning, damaging, etc, to the people who have been claiming that Patrick Byrne is blaming them for his own company's stock going down. What's really going on is these people were/are the ones doing the diverting.

I believe the Fairfax court case is far more involved, has far more evidence (not that Overstock's evidence supplied by whistleblowers under oath isn't damning as well), and.......Fairfax's business and stock were very very healthy during this entire timespan....so that diversionary blow-off from the usual press/hedgie suspects holds no water at all.

I don't think Judd's Xmas Wordbomb here was much noticed on the W-P. I didn't notice it until today either.

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[Piperdown]

oh yeah, Johhny Nev noticed the deepcapture/WR Rev exposure, later that Xmas day, he couldn't resist "updating" the Fairfax Fin article on WP in defiance, lol. Suddenly becomes a "See? I'm a good objective editor!" guy. Weiss pulled the same stunt on WP after getting outed in 2006. Diversified his WP editing history, gave lefthanded compliment edits that appear objective to the less-informed, kissed asses of disgraced, sympathetic WP admins, the whole kit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

and by the way, Fairfax is (was?) a large stakeholder in Overstock.com. Not a coincidence that Fairfax (look at its profits and stock price over the last few years, mother of god it's impressive) came under attack from the same network of hedge fund managers, now-former journalists (funny, they're nowhere to be seen these days), and internet miscreants on WP, Yahoo Finance, etc....

There's a going to lot more coming out on this Tangled Web They Wove.

60 Minutes (the whistleblowers in the Overstock vs Gradient/Rocker already were featured years ago), books, indignant Madoffesque "Why didn't Someone Stop it?" articles in the press, perpwalks, etc.

Give it time.

meanwhile, Johnn Nev is silencio on WP since Jan 15. Under that name, lol. Or he might be much more busy in RL trying to sort out some important matters. Erasing hard drives, lawyering up, getting alibis straight, who knows, lol. Not getting that WR Award for Tag Team 2008 is just the latest indignancy. Besides, his tag team with Janey Ryan (Lol) was so much better!

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[Herschelkrustofsky]

Johnny Nev returned from his hiatus and resumed editing on March 1. Included among his edits is this nasty attack on SirFozzie, placed discreetly on his talk page.

[Piperdown]

Johnny Nev returned from his hiatus and resumed editing on March 1. Included among his edits is this nasty attack on SirFozzie, placed discreetly on his talk page.

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Speaking of "dance, bitch, dance" (well, that's just charming. What Wikipedia is all about. Nev's on his way to becoming a Guy Chapman (or maybe even a David Gerard!), check out this bitchy edit summarist dancing.

http://www.deepcapture.com/introducing-joh...rom-down-under/

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[SirFozzie]

(re:Nevard)
Thanks. Wasn't aware of that. Was enjoying the silence, so to speak, on WR and WP.

Have some thoughts, but it's good to be no one of importance again (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Speaking of "dance, bitch, dance" (well, that's just charming. What Wikipedia is all about. Nev's on his way to becoming a Guy Chapman (or maybe even a David Gerard!), check out this bitchy edit summarist dancing.

http://www.deepcapture.com/introducing-joh...rom-down-under/

My goodness, it also looks like Nev is on his way to emerging from his pseudonymous Wikipedia cocoon, spreading his wings, and becoming notable. He's apparently a great fan of the bailout -- why am I not surprised? And look -- here he is again. And again. Inclusionists, start your engines.

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Well, I did say that (based on my editing time analysis) Nevard was not Slim, TS, Mantanmoreland, or anyone else mentioned in this thread. He looked like Aus/NZ time, I said. If this is true, I was right.

But where does WordBomb identify this person with Nevard, or is it a between-the-lines assumption?

[Milton Roe]

Well, I did say that (based on my editing time analysis) Nevard was not Slim, TS, Mantanmoreland, or anyone else mentioned in this thread. He looked like Aus/NZ time, I said. If this is true, I was right.

But where does WordBomb identify this person with Nevard, or is it a between-the-lines assumption?

I missed this entire thread, and consequently was just about to ask exactly your question with exactly your observations. The place and timezone fit. The personna fits. But how does Bagley know, other than guessing that Nevard is the only major Slim Cabal advocate from down under, and John Hempton, anti-byrne, is down there, too?