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QUOTE(Miltopia @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:03pm) Raymond Aritt "quits" after his stupid "don't criticize admins" workshop proposal is rejected: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=...&year=&month=11There's a word for that in online board speak. "Flouncing". They always come back after flouncing off...
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QUOTE(the fieryangel @ Mon 26th November 2007, 4:56pm) QUOTE(Disillusioned Lackey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:44pm) Durova was desysopped at about 0.03 UMT. That's about 3pm on 25th November. Being 12 hours or so before she "resigned". Don't know how we all missed that. You've got sharp eyes, DL.... Maybe not too sharp. That as a proposed remedy. Of the three remedies up there, one was support for !!, one was limit Durova's power, and one was desysop. She was also being asked unsavory questions like: QUOTE Question to Durova from KwsnQ. Other than to not reveal the "methods of investigation", was there any other reason why you didn't post the email? Kwsn (Ni!) 19:42, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
She did answer questions such as the one asking if she really spied on WR, but not the one about why she didn't post the email. She did well to resign. She was going to be asked what she didn't want to answer all along. No chance to answer, my foot. This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 3:00pm) The timing (and the identity of the operant Steward) suggest to me that Durova was strongly induced to resign as a face-saving measure.
Entirely possible, as well as very likely. QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Mon 26th November 2007, 5:08pm) On the other hand, I can think of some admins that have made plenty of bad blocks without resigning. Maybe Durova is having pangs of conscience, and she will decide to turn around and become a crusader for justice. Like Kelly Martin!
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:29pm) Before falling on your sword, make sure the blade is flat against the ground.QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:22pm) Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list." It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act. Forgive my language.... Did you pull that out of your ass? O
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QUOTE(Oracle @ Mon 26th November 2007, 8:52pm) QUOTE(Moulton @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:29pm) Before falling on your sword, make sure the blade is flat against the ground.QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:22pm) Methinks she fell on her sword to save "the list." It occurred to me that there might have been a quid pro quo in the deal. If the Inner Cabal wanted to retain the back-channel machine, Durova would need to be induced not to spill her guts. So they might have had to promise her some consolation prize if she gallantly fell on her sword to bring down the curtain on this act. Forgive my language.... Did you pull that out of your ass? O That would be Durovaistic reasoning. Here's mine: Durova is being sent very deep undercover. She must be seen as discredited and abandoned. She infiltrates the evil doers, exposing their nefarious plots and schemes. Attribs: I was a Communist for the FBI.
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I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all - all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth," given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties - in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list. If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved - and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record." I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Tue 27th November 2007, 2:51am) QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:41pm) QUOTE(Firsfron of Ronchester @ Mon 26th November 2007, 6:25pm) Misfits?This is the first time I've read that misfits aren't welcome on Wikipedia... Is there an Island of Misfit Wikipedians that Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer can rescue? No these Misfits. Gable dies after losing community patience with Monroe. Monroe dies shortly after, trying to relieve her guilt over Gable's permanent "Re-tirement" by partying with the Kennedys only to get an overly stiff death suppository for her troubles. Monty Cliff, a hopeless case on many levels, loses pretty boy status, displays his shadowy former self, and after this last film gasp, dies in seclusion after some more years in seclusion. yeah, i guess it is a cautionary tale for the account status of WP abusers who used to be the cash cows of the Golden Age of The Studio System of Wikipedia. Whether Jimbo claims to be the sole Zannick cannot be confirmed at this time.
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm) I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list. Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 7:20pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm) I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list. Jonny B) Well that's my thought too, by sacrificing herself she may think the whole thing will blow over and everyone will forget about "the list." Oh and Tony's comment on Durova's talk page is priceless: QUOTE You have acted according to the true meaning of "Wikipedia is not a battleground". Leading by example is hard, but rewarding. And a bit does not make or break a community leader. --Tony Sidaway 22:20, 26 November 2007 (UTC) Yeah, except she turned it into a battleground by banning a respected editor with the worst "evidence" imaginable.
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Tue 27th November 2007, 3:20am) I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list. Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Yup. Durova = Scooter Libbey Jajyg = Karl Rove SlimVirgin = Rumsfeld Jimbo = Bush or for the older Chevrolet set: Durvoa = G. Gordon Liddy Jimbo = Nixon etc...Brandt could do a better list here.
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 10:20pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:06pm) I'm not the least bit surprised that she resigned, personally, and I doubt that it was arranged... The simple fact of it is, she didn't have to resign at all — all she had to do was promise to stop portraying herself as some sort of "sock-hunting super-sleuth", given that she obviously wasn't good at it, and go back to doing regular admin duties — in which case, the whole thing would have eventually died down and relatively few people would have complained. Nobody forced her to ask Cary Bass to desysop her, and it's doubtful that the ArbCom would have done it either. And it's not as though her being a regular editor means they're going to kick her off the sooperseekrit mailing list.
If you ask me, Durova is probably some sort of depressive personality with a major chip on her shoulder. She's a perfectionist, and not the good kind of perfectionist who actually strives for perfection, but the bad kind who freaks out when perfection can't be achieved — and who then starts blaming others when things go wrong, and ultimately gives up completely at the first instance of an unfixable "stain" on her "perfect record".
I doubt she'll stand for another RfA, we eventually may not even see all that much of her again, period. She'll stick around to defend herself (again, by blaming others), but once that gets tiresome, the place will have lost all interest for her. Regular admin duties like reverting vandals and cleaning up articles just aren't enough for sock-hunting super-sleuths, I'm afraid.
I haven't been able to follow all of the posts on this and the 5 or 6 other threads devoted to the Durova Debacle, but just from my sample it seems that everyone has missed the more likely possibility that Durova got disciplined not for going ban-anas on Bamm-Bamm — I mean, really, where's the novelty in yet another ban-button mainliner going Koo-Koo 4 Koko-Puffs over dey ??? — but because she outed the existence of SlimVirgin's enemas list. Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) Real spy trumps make-believe spy.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 26th November 2007, 10:22pm) Pot, meet kettle. "The mob" my arse. So it's "the community" when majority opinion agrees, and "the mob" when majority opinion disagrees. The elitists are showing their true scales, aren't they?
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QUOTE(Derktar @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:25pm) Well that's my thought too, by sacrificing herself she may think the whole thing will blow over and everyone will forget about "the list." That just makes no sense to me, I'm afraid... I mean, the horses are out of the barn as far as these mailing lists are concerned, so it just seems like there's little to be gained from giving up her ability to see deleted articles and revisions, even if she doesn't really need to block anybody herself. In other words, the whole thing could have blown over anyway. All she had to do was promise to stay out of the witch-hunting game, and maybe disappear for a few weeks. Whereas, if she's got this nutball image of herself as some sort of Badass Woman Detective, a la V.I. Warshawski or something, and doesn't want to play the Wikipedia MMORPG game unless she can have that particular role, then the whole thing does make sense, at least to me. Call me crazy...
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QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:42pm) Cache's Cabinet Picks —Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon Durova = Spiro T. Agnew Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart) SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either) Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) You nailed Durova, but I'm not sure Jimbo is Nixon. Which is worse? Durova as Spiro ("...nattering nabobs of negativity...") ORJimbo as Marharishi Mahesh Yogi ("Why can't we all just love each other?") I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging?
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QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 27th November 2007, 4:43am)
I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging?
I think you'll recall what happened to the last time a top-notch sleuthing Columbia Journalism Review reporter did some digging into 'naked short selling'. That reporter was very strongly encouraged not to do so any more. QUOTE(Daniel Brandt @ Tue 27th November 2007, 4:43am) QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 26th November 2007, 9:42pm) Cache's Cabinet Picks —Jimbo = Richard ("The Third") Nixon Durova = Spiro T. Agnew Jayjg and JzG = Ehrlichman and Haldeman (never could tell them apart) SlimVirgin = Jeane Kirkpatrick (never could tell Nixon and Reagan apart either) Jonny (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif) You nailed Durova, but I'm not sure Jimbo is Nixon. Which is worse? Durova as Spiro ("...nattering nabobs of negativity...") ORJimbo as Marharishi Mahesh Yogi ("Why can't we all just love each other?") I think Jimbo is worse, because casual reporters and observers (which is all we've got left in Amerika) cannot get a handle on Jimbo easily. You have to really dig into Wikipedia. When was the last time a reporter in this country did any digging? I don't see Durova as Agnew. The resignation is all they have in common. Agnew wasn't Tricky Dick's prized attack dog. I see Durova as one of the WG Plumbers. I do think Agnew, or maybe Kissinger, is more akin to Baudy's role, though. Deep Throat? That remains to be played out. Who's going to step up, or has someone already done so? Right now, Wales is playing Ronnie Reagan, ca. 1988, Iran-contra.
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:13pm) I sometimes wonder when a Cabalist like Durova falls, that those other Cabalists who come to the fallen's talk page are not sympathizing with her... they are mocking her.
Durova: "Ah, Lord Cabal, I've blocked !! and outed the mailing lis... aaaacck! Aaak!" Cabal: "You have failed us for the last time, Durova. Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal?" Cabal: "Prepare the others for a major banning attack. You are in command now, Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal!" (Durova clutches her throat and falls as Jehochman nods his head for guards to dispose of her)
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no, no, no, no. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) You've got her all wrong. She's Karl (Du)ROVE(a)Orchestrating minions and ministrations to forward agendas successfully.... ...but ultimately managing to fuck things up so badly that a nation was driven to war on false pretenses, while outing its own very cleverly disguised spy gathering REAL data on WMD. Durova likewise killed many faithful contributors, with false accusations of evil-doer-dom. She's Karl Rove I have said this before, and I want royalties and residuals. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
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QUOTE(Amarkov @ Tue 27th November 2007, 2:32am) QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:13pm) I sometimes wonder when a Cabalist like Durova falls, that those other Cabalists who come to the fallen's talk page are not sympathizing with her... they are mocking her.
Durova: "Ah, Lord Cabal, I've blocked !! and outed the mailing lis... aaaacck! Aaak!" Cabal: "You have failed us for the last time, Durova. Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal?" Cabal: "Prepare the others for a major banning attack. You are in command now, Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal!" (Durova clutches her throat and falls as Jehochman nods his head for guards to dispose of her)
Clearly, there's something going on... Wow. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Tue 27th November 2007, 2:06am) QUOTE(Amarkov @ Tue 27th November 2007, 2:32am) QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 26th November 2007, 11:13pm) I sometimes wonder when a Cabalist like Durova falls, that those other Cabalists who come to the fallen's talk page are not sympathizing with her... they are mocking her.
Durova: "Ah, Lord Cabal, I've blocked !! and outed the mailing lis... aaaacck! Aaak!" Cabal: "You have failed us for the last time, Durova. Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal?" Cabal: "Prepare the others for a major banning attack. You are in command now, Jehochman!" Jehochman: "Yes, Lord Cabal!" (Durova clutches her throat and falls as Jehochman nods his head for guards to dispose of her)
Clearly, there's something going on... Wow. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) 2nd the Wow.Surely he said something to the effect of needing to get the hell away from this scandal. His real name and company got mired in this muck. He's a weasel himself, and just as sneaky and backhanded as she is. But it is perfectly expected that he'd betray her. That's what such people do. I'm surprised she deleted his edit, as to do so was so utterly revealing of the fact that he'd hurt her. Well, well. She rode on his SEO coattails, and he on her admin coattails. No more. The Dynamic Duo of joint Complex Investigations is no more.He should have known better. But he is no better than she. In Memorium(IMG: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff167/DisillusionedLackey/DurovaPlame_JonathanWilson.jpg) This post has been edited by Disillusioned Lackey:
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The only problem here is that people will think "she resigned" means "she's no longer on Wikipedia".
In reality, she'll be resysopped when no one is looking, just like TonySidaway.
He had the same "punishment" by Arbcom. (He quit under "suspicious circumstaces").
Which a few months later, meant nothing.
Its rigged.
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I thought Tony Sidaway was required by Arbcom to pass RFA to get his bit back.
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