FT2 fails to get the joke, Defender of the wiki on the loose Options

[Peter Damian]

The eccentric Defender of the Wiki leaves a message on FT2's talk page.

FT2 thinking it is a compliment leaves a long-winded and boring reply. Below - I think he has now oversighted it or something as it doesn't appear on the talk history. [My bold - FT clearly needs irony spectacles].

Thank you for making the difficult decisions
First, thank you for welcoming me to your userpage. You have very good manners.I feel as if I have found my home away from home. I digress...
Our mailing lists are abuzz with praise for your challenging yet necessary actions in blocking Giano. His persistant misogyny, which Thatcher pointed out, is of great concern to us. This behavior must not be tolerated. He has run amuck for far too long on our Project, as his block log indicates. I blogged about this debacle here. I nearly quit blogging for good, but your actions inspired me to keep up the good fight. Thank you for defending the Wiki. Godspeed. The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


As much as I'd like to accept something like this, I can't. It wasn't done "for" anyone, or for any group, or anything like that. It was done because it needed doing. I wrote WP:DBF back in 2005 and it's still a good recap of things. Giano is a user, not a "challenge" or anything, and blocking is never a game or anything to be done lightly. I wasn't aware of the "female" issue you and Thatcher picked up on, and I could care less on the politicking. An editor was under a remedy to be civil, and wasn't civil, chances got given, normal judgement and action follows, pretty much. That's really all. I don't agree with the strong words and portrayal in your blog (though I respect your right to hold them), I don't feel Giano deserves all the bad names it states, and I'm not inclined to support some call to arms as you seem to wish. The blog is more aggressive and overstated/overhyped than it needs to be. The only aspect that needed thinking about was deciding if the line had been crossed where some formal action was appropriate (as opposed to deferring action) and if his uncivil conduct was harmful to the project, and that was not at all difficult.
The best defense of the wiki (and this applies to Giano as well) is to not provoke division and to step by step cut down on pointless unproductive bad conduct by editors to editors, so that we can all focus on content writing, and genuine content-related matters worthy of attention, more.
My main wish is just that Giano will remember to be civil to others in a way that his gifts and desire to help does not come in parallel with a wish to verbally hurt the efforts and motivation of others too. And -- welcome. FT2 (Talk | email) 19:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2"

This post has been edited by Peter Damian:

[Jonny Cache]

Wut joke!?

Jonny (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/cool.gif)

[dtobias]

It doesn't seem to be oversighted or even blanked or deleted; the comments in question are right there now.

[Somey]

And how is he "eccentric"? He sounds pretty run-of-the-mill, for WP anyway. I guess that may be a self-contradictory description...

[wikiwhistle]

Defender of the wiki's blog is 'eccentric' in as much as it's a spoof- if this is the same bloke as 'wikidefender'. Is that what you meant, peter? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

http://wikidefender.blogspot.com

[Peter Damian]

It doesn't seem to be oversighted or even blanked or deleted; the comments in question are right there now.

How strange. If I look at the talk page history

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...&action=history

I see none of the edits (all made after the 17:08 edit, 27 March).

The talk page itself has nothing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:FT2

Maybe my browser wrong?

And how is he "eccentric"? He sounds pretty run-of-the-mill, for WP anyway. I guess that may be a self-contradictory description...

YOu're kidding. You've read the blog, right?

Read the blog.

http://wikidefender.blogspot.com/2008/03/m...o-still-on.html

Why must we allow him to keep creating headaches for us? Is it all because of a few stupid articles that do not get half as many hits as the article about blowjobs? Is the content he provides really that important? Our readers do not seem to think so. It is time for a Great Leader, such as FT2, to tell him he can take all the architecture related crap that he writes and stick it where the sun don’t shine. Who gives a rats patooty about architecture anyway? There are certainly more important articles out there, zoophilia being one example.

But read the blog, because it's much funnier with the links in place.

Defender of the wiki's blog is 'eccentric' in as much as it's a spoof- if this is the same bloke as 'wikidefender'. Is that what you meant, peter? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

http://wikidefender.blogspot.com

Yes. I linked to it right at the beginning of this thread, but no one followed it, clearly. Except for dear Wikiwhistle. God bless you.

[edit] But who is the Wiki defender? The sense of humour reminds me of our dearly beloved the Kohs.


Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...der_of_the_Wiki

The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201368151

and removes the vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201367782

but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.


This post has been edited by Peter Damian:

[wikiwhistle]

There's been a thread or so here about the wikiD blog. I didn't spot your link. Not sure if it's the same bloke as DotW.

[Peter Damian]

There's been a thread or so here about the wikiD blog. I didn't spot your link. Not sure if it's the same bloke as DotW.

It clearly is, because he says so on Giano's and FT2's pages. E.g. the diff to Giano's page. Follow the link to his blog.


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201381511

Your deplorable actions

Your attack/talk page above states the following:
One is now blocked for persisting in requesting an answer to why Flo and Arbs did a complete "U" turn.
Allow me to correct you: You were blocked for your persistant mysogony and inspiring extraneous hoopla.
Your unrelentingness in badgering Flo in particular is noted, and I thank Thatcher for pointing out that Flo does not have male genitalia. I mention this in my impressive and hard-hitting blog post here, which chronicles the salacious stunts that you pulled yesterday. Doc makes a good point (which you removed); he did not participate in the conversation to fix the channel, because there is nothing to fix! Why can't you see that, as intelligent people like Doc and FT2 do?

I suggest that you stay in the crate that Arbcom astutely fabricated for you, so that you can continue writing your articles (since you seem to like them), while not inciting wiki-riots. This is the best scenario for all involved. Ciao, The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II"

This post has been edited by Peter Damian:

[dtobias]

Is there a policy on WP:EXTRANEOUS-HOOPLA now?

[Moulton]

Is there a policy on WP:EXTRANEOUS-HOOPLA now?

That would be a corollary of the WP Credo, Don't Be Silly.

[Robster]

Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...der_of_the_Wiki

The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201368151

and removes the vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201367782

but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.

Geobytes locates 70.73.156.111 at Shaw Cable in Toronto.

So the Defender may be Canadian?

[bluevictim]

Contributions for Defender of the Wiki here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contr...der_of_the_Wiki

The one on Giano's page was deleted by Giano. The defender also defends the Wiki against vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201368151

and removes the vandalism here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201367782

but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.

Geobytes locates 70.73.156.111 at Shaw Cable in Toronto.

So the Defender may be Canadian?

Yes, and don't forgert that Shaw is the ISP used by both Crum375 and Slimvirgin (who are two different people, but Crum375 seems to be a meatpuppet of Slim and helps her out with a handy block button), so it may be one or both of them.

[wikiwhistle]

but I put it to you that the vandal 70.73.156.111, who vandalised only 2 minutes before the defender spotted it, is in fact the defender him/herself.

You think so just because the vandalism was only 2 minutes prior? Only, sadly enough lol, I sometimes look at Recent Changes on wiki, and revert vandalism quite quickly.

look here- has he been blocked tonight?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...der_of_the_Wiki

[Milton Roe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=201381511

Your deplorable actions

Your attack/talk page above states the following:
One is now blocked for persisting in requesting an answer to why Flo and Arbs did a complete "U" turn.
Allow me to correct you: You were blocked for your persistant mysogony and inspiring extraneous hoopla.
Your unrelentingness in badgering Flo in particular is noted, and I thank Thatcher for pointing out that Flo does not have male genitalia. I mention this in my impressive and hard-hitting blog post here, which chronicles the salacious stunts that you pulled yesterday. Doc makes a good point (which you removed); he did not participate in the conversation to fix the channel, because there is nothing to fix! Why can't you see that, as intelligent people like Doc and FT2 do?

I suggest that you stay in the crate that Arbcom astutely fabricated for you, so that you can continue writing your articles (since you seem to like them), while not inciting wiki-riots. This is the best scenario for all involved. Ciao, The Defender of the Wiki (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Giano_II"

You know things are bad at WP when the over-the-top Wikidefender sometimes doesn't even sound facetious.

So, is Flonight a 49 year-old female Kentuckian named Sydney??

And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on Dirty Jobs? He had to use a probe and sit on the sow's back to get the oxytocin going. If this is justifiable in the name of makin bacon, why not for the love of pigs? And he says in his commericals that the pig never calls him....

[thekohser]

But who is the Wiki defender? The sense of humour reminds me of our dearly beloved the Kohs.

Though I am fond of most things Canada, 'tis not I.

I do know the identity of the Wiki Defender, but I presume the comedy-drama remains all the more heightened with my secret kept safe.

Greg

[The Joy]

I thought the Defender admitted he was Relato Somethingorother? Maybe I missed the joke as well.

[Peter Damian]

Maybe I missed the joke as well.

FT2 spent about 20 minutes replying to the defender

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...t=20&target=FT2

under the impression it was serious. Then he realises it's a spoof, presumably when he saw the labrador bit. So he deletes it from his talk page, and history.

And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on Dirty Jobs?

One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.

[Random832]

One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.

And you're doing their job for them by just saying it's a "standard argument they use" without pointing out why the argument is flawed. For example, the reason artificial insemination etc, is different is that it serves a legitimate purpose that benefits either the individual animal or its species, whereas zoophilia does not.

[Giano]

Maybe I missed the joke as well.

FT2 spent about 20 minutes replying to the defender

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...t=20&target=FT2

under the impression it was serious. Then he realises it's a spoof, presumably when he saw the labrador bit. So he deletes it from his talk page, and history.

And what's with the zoophilia hoopla, anyway? Didn't you all see Mike Rowe artificially inseminating a sow on Dirty Jobs?

One of the standard arguments used by Zoophiliacs. Another is that if killing animals and eating them is OK, so it's OK to shag them as well.

Here is something very funny. FT2 was not the only one fooled. I gave it a quick glance when the "You have new messages" flashed up - and reverted it thinking it was completely genuine too, it was a good while later when everyone else was laughing and emailing that I re-read it in the history and realised it was a spoof. I'm not sure if that says more about me, or the type of people who post on my page.

Giano

[Moulton]

It's the Borat Effect -- doing a comedy routine in a similar way as a sincere (if slightly daffy) journalist.

When the camel pokes its nose into the tent, and some innovative comedian milks it for all it's worth, that morphs the comedy-drama into a dromedary (or is that drama dairy?).