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This has been a problem I've seen brought up for many years. One of the things about FA is that they give certain people a wonderful defense. Two, Bishonen and Giano, have been going off of theirs for a very long time. When the pages are properly put to FAR, they throw a fit. One of the reason why there are so many horrible FAs is exactly what this individual matter can exemplify.

This current FAR is a latest example. Last time, they tried to destroy Mattisse for pointing out that the Emperor lacks clothes. Now, they just say "everything is good".

Just look, every paragraph has major problems:

Original research: "with the baseless suggestion sometimes made that he had been studying architecture in France (stated as fact in the Dictionary of National Biography)"

Essay: "Downes' example of one sugar baker's house in Liverpool, estimated to bring in £40,000 a year in trade from Barbados, throws a new light on Vanbrugh's social background, one rather different from the picture of a backstreet Chester sweetshop as painted by Leigh Hunt in 1840 and reflected in many later accounts."

Pure high school paper bs: "Vanbrugh is remembered throughout Britain, by inns, street names, a university college (York) and schools named in his honour, but one only has to wander through London, or the English country-side dotted with their innumerable country houses, to see the ever present influence of his architecture."

Horribly unencyclopedic exaggerations: "With the completion of Castle Howard English baroque came into fashion overnight."

Wonderfully vague: "Vanbrugh's reputation still suffers from accusations of extravagance, impracticability and a bombastic imposition of his own will on his clients."

Unfounded generalizations: "As was common in the 18th century, personal comfort was sacrificed to perspective. Windows were to adorn the facades, as well as light the interior."

Inability to cite direct quotes properly (along with horrible unencyclopedic POV): "Unsurprisingly under these circumstances, Vanbrugh's management of the Queen's Theatre in Haymarket showed "numerous signs of confusion, inefficiency, missed opportunities, and bad judgment" (Milhous)"

Most of the sources (when used, which is almost never) are old and outdated, obscure, or not really credible.

Hell, there are five major sources that should be included just to have real scholarship: 1. Gerald Berkowitz Sir John Vanbrugh and the End of Restoration Comedy (1981) 2. Susan Owen A companion to Restoration drama (2001) 3. Arthur Huseboe Sir John Vanbrugh (1976) 4. Deborah Fisk Cambridge Companion to English Restoration Theatre (2000) 5. Bernard Harris Sir John Vanbrugh (1967)


Does anyone have the balls to call them on it? No. Mattisse was partly destroyed by them over her mentioning the obvious. Even when Sandy Georgia was emailed about some of the majorly obvious OR and pure bs in the Legacy section, she didn't correct her claim asking for specifics. It is obvious that people want to have FA standards no longer apply to a select privileged few.
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Ottava   Bishonen and Giano FARs  
Ottava   Another winning entry: "The Duchess blamed Va...  
Milton Roe   Another winning entry: "The Duchess blamed V...  
Somey   "In fairness to her"? How can someone ho...  
Ottava   Ahahahahahahahahaha. Sigh. My side hurts. : (  
Giano   "In fairness to her"? How can someone h...  
Ottava   Did I write that passage? I don't recognise i...  
Giano   Did I write that passage? I don't recognise ...  
Ottava   Hello Ottava, I just followed your diff, in an ...  
Giano   Hello Ottava, I just followed your diff, in an...  
Ottava   You implied that I write rubbish! You clever...  
Giano   You implied that I write rubbish! You cleve...  
Ottava   You want it fixing Ottava - fix it or get somebod...  
Giano   You want it fixing Ottava - fix it or get somebo...  
Ottava   Ottava, there is little there to concern me; it s...  
Somey   Now, I am not going to stay here arguing with you....  
Eva Destruction   I just followed your diff, in an attempt to find ...  
Ottava   [quote name='Giano' post='234004' date='Sun 2nd M...  
Theanima   Bishonen and Giano are just two editors among the ...  
Malleus   Bishonen and Giano are just two editors among the...  
Ottava   Bishonen and Giano are just two editors among th...  
EricBarbour   :huh: Uhhhhh. Head hurt.  
chrisoff   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...ed_Ar...  
Ottava   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Adm...ed_A...  
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Ottava   Rollback is a curious bauble. It's completely...  
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radek   Rollback is a curious bauble. It's completel...  
Giano   [quote name='chrisoff' post='234745' date='Thu 6t...  
Ottava   Realy Ottava, is that true? As I recall it, it wa...  
Giano   Realy Ottava, is that true? As I recall it, it w...  
Ottava   [quote name='Ottava' post='235023' date='Fri 7th ...  
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Moulton   Shameful. There is scant evidence to support the n...  
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Peter Damian   "and jarred conservative opinions on the subj...  
Ottava   Here's a winner , that lovely bit of OR at the...  
Moulton   Where are the blocks? Had you been there to indict...  
CharlotteWebb   Where are the blocks? Had you been there to indic...  
Giano   Where are the blocks? Had you been there to indic...  
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Giano   Chrisoff?... Why Mattisse darling, I had no idea...  
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A Horse With No Name   Oh Ottava, you really are a ranting prat! You...  
GlassBeadGame   It is shit. Go fix it. Feeble content provider ...  
HRIP7   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vanbrugh#c...  
Ottava   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Vanbrugh#...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='241131' date='Sun 20th ...  
Ottava   The first source I cited is Cambridge University...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='241135' date='Sun 20th ...  
Ottava   The Encyclopaedia Britannica says blah blah blah...  
HRIP7   [quote name='HRIP7' post='241143' date='Sun 20th ...  
Ottava   Still, there are enough "Vanbrughian" b...  
chrisoff   SandyGeorgia has been put in her place. http://en...  
radek   (She didn't like it that she can't close ...  
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