Wikipidiots atwitter about Arbcom-L leak, Heads (and eyes) will roll Options

[gomi]

A new member to the Review has posted several threads from the putatively secret Arbcom-L mailing list.

The Wikipidiots are not amused.

[It's the blimp, Frank]

Boy, that was a quick response. They must all have the Wikipedia Review on their watch lists.

[MaliceAforethought]

Boy, that was a quick response. They must all have the Wikipedia Review on their watch lists.

But isn't it nice to feel so loved? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wub.gif)

[gomi]

More on the leaks here on WR:

here and here.

[SB_Johnny]

ED goes down, some guy gets arrested in England, and embarrassing emails get released from arbcom-l. Hmmm.

While it's not exactly popular around here to give the arbcommies the benefit of the doubt, I think stupidity is more likely the cause than malice on one of their parts.

[Malleus]

Boy, that was a quick response. They must all have the Wikipedia Review on their watch lists.

Not necessarily.

[MaliceAforethought]

ED goes down, some guy gets arrested in England, and embarrassing emails get released from arbcom-l. Hmmm.

While it's not exactly popular around here to give the arbcommies the benefit of the doubt, I think stupidity is more likely the cause than malice on one of their parts.

>
> I have credible evidence that Iridescent's email may have been, and
> probably still is, compromised. That email address needs to be removed
> from this list immediately, and all his rights should be revoked on all
> priviledged wikis (since that same email is almost certainly the one he
> uses).
>
> Iridescent, if you still have read access to your mailbox, please
> immediately contact me from another email that you have not made public
> and which is unambiguously connected to you.
>
> -- Coren / Marc
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> arbcom-l mailing list
> arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/arbcom-l
>

Bonus points for guessing stupid was the cause. Extra points if you realized this means they are arrogant enough to think they have the problem fixed now. Anyone have any requests then?

[A Horse With No Name]

Anyone have any requests then?

Well, you've already outed Malley. Can you pull back the curtain on Iridescent and any of the other unidentified arbitrators? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

[SB_Johnny]

Bonus points for guessing stupid was the cause. Extra points if you realized this means they are arrogant enough to think they have the problem fixed now.

Heh, yeah, that didn't look to me to be the likely root of the problem. How many trees will be barked up before somebody figures it out? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif)

[MaliceAforethought]

Anyone have any requests then?

Well, you've already outed Malley. Can you pull back the curtain on Iridescent and any of the other unidentified arbitrators? (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

I'm afraid it appears Iridescent doeesn't trust the other nutjobs, but I did find:


Subject: [arbcom-l] Introduction
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From: Jonathan Clemens <clem4609@pacificu.edu>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 17:22
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All,

This email should serve two purposes: first, to make sure I changed my email address correctly (more on that in a bit), and secondly to provide a bit of an introduction and brief CV on myself.

While I tend to have all my email sent to jclemens@jclemens.org, that's a domain-name-sans-mailserver ever since every ISP started blocking tcp/25 inbound, so I use one of my other two email addresses (school and personal ISP) as outgoing. So, I guess I need to use a mail address where incoming and outgoing match.

I'm Jonathan Clemens. Up until June, I was employed by Intel Corporation, where I had been an information security practitioner (professional staff or first-line manager) since 1999. Previously, I'd worked full-time IT jobs for World Vision (2 years) and Unisys (3 years). I'm 39 at the moment, and currently in graduate school to become a Physician Assistant. The differences between that and medical school are of interest only to those within the field. I'm leaving the IT realm for medicine for a number of reasons; ask offline if you care.

I currently work as a volunteer EMT/Firefighter here in Oregon while going to school, but I've lived most of my adult life in Washington state, though born and raised in Alaska. In addition to my undergraduate degree in computer information systems, I have an M.Div. from Pepperdine. I've been married 15 years, and my wife and I have three kids, the older two of whom are in Boy Scouts.

I've been on the 'net since it was BITNET (in 1987) and ARPAnet (in 1988), and am fully conversant in Windows, Mac, and Linux, in addition to a bunch of oddball operating systems that no one actually uses anymore.

I hope my eclectic background brings something unique to the committee for this coming year.

Jonathan
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From: David Yellope <dyellope.wiki@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 20:47
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Ah, another techie guy (Technical Support engineer for EMC) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Welcome Jonathan.

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From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 21:24
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The e-mail came through. Does that mean the changes worked?
You seem to be moving from north to south along the US West Coast.
California next? :-)

The nice thing about running through background stuff like this (not
that anyone is obliged to do this at all) is that it does give those
on the committee an idea of the diversity in geographical,
professional and personal backgrounds. For comparison, some of what
I've divulged about my background on this mailing list (though I don't
give my name on-wiki) is the following:

Name: Christopher Kreuzer
Age: 33 (born 1977)
Location: Twickenham, London, UK
Education: Undergraduate sciences degree 1995-1999 (Chemistry in final
two years)
Employment: Writing, keywording and cataloging (science photography),
2000-present
Interests: Chess, Tolkien, Science, History

Jonathan talked about eclectic backgrounds. Looking back on the past
two years, I'm not sure how much my background actually helped when it
came to arbitration. Certainly from what was said on the election
pages it looks like the new committee will have a fairly diverse
background, and hopefully that will help, though the most important
thing seems to be people willing to do things and/or organise their
time effectively to do what they are best suited to doing. Well, that
and a flair for dispute resolution, of course.

Carcharoth

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From: Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:16
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Well, I'm Risker, My real-world name is Anne Clin, but I do not use it on-wiki and request that you not do so either. I respond to either Risker or Anne on the mailing lists.

This is a photo of me taken by Sage Ross at the NYC Wikiconference in 2009.

I work in health care administration and have a rather enormous portfolio, but it has given me lots of life experience that I've put to good use. (Dealing with difficult people, simplifying messages, getting along with people one doesn't actually like, etc...)

Right now I'm not quite myself; I had an emergency appendectomy on Wednesday night, and am just finding my feet. Luckily my advance planning to get all the new arbs up and running on the various lists and the arbwiki meant I just had to hit "send" a lot of times.

Best,

Risker/Anne

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From: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:18
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In case any of the new folks are interested and haven't seen it before, here's my real-world bio:

http://www.ganfershore.com/sub/ira-brad-matetsky.jsp

(I just posted this on Functionaries-l as well, but I'm not sure whether the discussion will centralize there or here.)

Regards,
Newyorkbrad/IBM



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From: Frank Bednarz <frank.bednarz@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 22:24
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Did you ever know a software guy called Steven McGeady, who has a wikipedia biography? I don't think you overlapped much, and Intel's a big place, but I'll be curious if I don't ask.

Frank

On Dec 17, 2010 3:22 PM, "Jonathan Clemens" <clem4609@pacificu.edu> wrote:

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From: Jonathan Clemens <clem4609@pacificu.edu>
Date: Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 23:11
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Nope, at the time he left Intel, I wasn't anyone important. I knew people who knew him, but my career hadn't really taken off until after he left.

Jonathan



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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 06:48
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Risker

Hope you're feeling better soon

Elen



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From: Elen of the Roads <elenoftheroads@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 06:53
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Local Government officer in Bradford, Yorkshire here. Currently looking at the snow, and sending messages from the Council's Twitter account (anything you ever want to know about gritting and refuse collection.....)

Real name is Helen Clipsom - rather people didn't throw the surname around, as it's a bit unusual, but feel free to google me. I turn up taking parti in boring local government discussions about new technology etc.

Elen/Helen

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From: <philknight@mail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:34
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Yes, hope you're feeling better soon, and all of your help to the new arbs is much appreciated.

Phil

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From: Cas Liber <casliber01@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:36
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-->Anne - gawd, 2nd appendicitis of people on func-l in two weeks (!)

-->(H)elen - gosh, that's alot of bangles on your facebook acct (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

cheers (nice to be back)
thankfully cooler here after a few hot and sticky days...and the aussies are doing better in the cricket too...
Cas

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From: Jonathan Clemens <clem4609@pacificu.edu>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:49
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Sorry to say, I won't be able to help the rest of you keep up the trend. Lost mine a dozen years ago.

Jonathan

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From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 17:06
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I intend to keep mine.

More info about me here:

http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Jayvdb

I'm about to go on holidays until the first week of Jan, and will have
only limited internet during that period.

--
John Vandenberg

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From: Michelle Kinney <shell.kinney@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 18:31
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My bio's pretty boring I'm afraid (that's what comes of letting
somebody else do it): http://www.dotconcepts.net/users/michelle-kinney

Additionally, I'm 34 with 4 kids, 2 dogs (if the little one really
counts as a dog), a hamster and a herd of cats (I work with animal
rescue). When I'm not doing artisty stuff, I run a web development
business and in my spare time help out with a variety of charities.
Most of my contact info in on Wiki (along with a few more personal
details), while my phone and usual hours are on the Arb wiki. I'm
notoriously horrible at remembering to set my status on IMs and IRC,
so please don't get offended if I don't answer - I'm not ignoring you,
I'm probably asleep (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

Shell Kinney

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From: Carcharoth <carcharothwp@googlemail.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 09:38
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Since we seem to be doing biographies of some sort, I hope Jimmy won't
mind me pointing out this interview published in 'The Independent'
today (I spotted the link on his talk page):

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/p...re-2164840.html

Carcharoth

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From: Kenneth Kua/ArbCom <kenneth@planetkh.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 15:23
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Kenneth Kua, based in Singapore, currently working in Operations at a large multi-national transporation company.

Too lazy to write a profile these days. Don't keep a Facebook account either, glad I didn't since I saw my colleague getting sacked for a related matter, after someone sought revenge. (This happens more often to ArbCom than you think!)

Kenneth/MD

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From: Xeno <xenowiki@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 21:29
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I'm from the General Toronto Area and work at a financial institution. Before that I sold IT security products.

I used to run a BBS back in the early 90s. When I got onto the Internet (back when dialup charged by the hour), I spent an awful lot of time on a MUD called Realms of Despair (which lead to some hefty connection fees). I had a fairly lengthy addiction to World of Warcraft as well. And then came Wikipedia...

I'm an avid video gamer, and writing/editing articles on video games is what drew me into Wikipedia (unfortunately, I don't do much of that anymore).

I've got a three-year-old boy that keeps me on my toes. I maintain a blog at http://xenocidic.com, but I've not written anything there in a while (and it's really mostly only of interest to video gamers, and more specifically, Xbox 360).

I'm on vacation until the 29th, so won't really be contributing much in the way of discussion, but I am keeping on top of all the emails that are going out over the list so I can hit the ground running when I'm back to work.

Looking forward to working with you guys.

Have a safe and happy holidays =)

-xeno

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[A Horse With No Name]

Have a safe and happy holidays =)

-xeno

He is the only smart one on the list -- he didn't give out his real name! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Theanima]

I don't think it's Iridescent, but it would be amusing to see his smug response to it.

[RMHED]

Mod's note: in response to several complaints, I am sequestering all the "outing" material until the mods have a chance to discuss the ramifications of airing it here. At first blush, it does not appear to violate our rules, because I don't see residential or work addresses or phone numbers. However, it also seems gratuitous to publish it -- it doesn't help criticize WP in any meaningful way. -- HK

Complaints from whom?

Restore the information and stop being a stupid cunt.

[Craftyminion]

Not the first time arbcom-l has leaked, it would seem:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=16758

This post has been edited by Craftyminion:

[Abd]

A new member to the Review has posted several threads from the putatively secret Arbcom-L mailing list.

The Wikipidiots are not amused.

This appears to be confirmation that the leaks are real. Or have I misread that discussion.

Frankly, it couldn't have happened to a better bunch. Remember when they threw the book at the EEML people for what was little more than schmoozing with a very little bit of canvassing tossed in. They showed no concern for the privacy of that material, in fact they abused it, selecting, in the RfAr based on it, only the juiciest excerpts, cherry-picked to make list participants look as bad as possible.

They really wanted to nail anyone collaborating off-wiki. Well, they collaborate off-wiki. Of course, they are the good guys, right?

They seem quite certain it's an arb. I have no idea how they could be so certain, all it would take is one compromised computer, or someone who hacks the mail server.

[Milton Roe]

Not the first time arbcom-l has leaked, it would seem:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=16758

Philosophically, the leaky arbcomm-l list is also one more way in which Wikipedians are so damned full of themselves that they figure they reinvent an entire society and never have any of the problems of previous governments or advisory groups.

All groups of a dozen people leak like crazy. Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead, but you generally have to figure that any group of arbcomm's size will leak like the Whitehouse.

Remember Nixon and his Plumbers, the purposes of which was to stop his chronic leak situation. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif) Well, it wasn't just Nixon; every administration has this problem. Again, the funniest thing about WP is that their Executive Committee thing thought SO highly of themselves that they figured it wouldn't happen to THEM. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

Coren/Pelletier wants to "crucify" somebody. How Christian. Better to start making up an enemies list. Maybe convene a HUAC. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Craftyminion]

Not the first time arbcom-l has leaked, it would seem:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=16758

Philosophically, the leaky arbcomm-l list is also one more way in which Wikipedians are so damned full of themselves that they figure they reinvent an entire society and never have any of the problems of previous governments or advisory groups.

All groups of a dozen people leak like crazy. Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead, but you generally have to figure that any group of arbcomm's size will leak like the Whitehouse.

Remember Nixon and his Plumbers, the purposes of which was to stop his chronic leak situation. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif) Well, it wasn't just Nixon; every administration has this problem. Again, the funniest thing about WP is that their Executive Committee thing thought SO highly of themselves that they figured it wouldn't happen to THEM. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif)

Coren/Pelletier wants to "crucify" somebody. How Christian. Better to start making up an enemies list. Maybe convene a HUAC. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

This is what I find so amusing. That the arbs and assorted hangers on (hey Malley! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) ) appear so shocked that this stuff has found it's way out.

Write it down, share it around and eventually it sees the light of day.

Thus far there is not much of any real note, lots of gossip and other squalid stuff. Slim is as much of a high handed bitch behind closed doors as she is on wiki. that's no great shock.

Bit surprised to see that Malley is so hopelessly devoted to the project, though. Almost craven, isn't he? Grovelling away to Iri. I expected better from Wikipedia's Original Angry Man.

Ah well.

[Kelly Martin]

Well, we've long known that Coren is a jerk. Honestly, I'm still looking for anything in all this that is really new. Yeah, confirming evidence is nice, and all that.

[Zoloft]

Exploited an unpatched listserv vulnerability, did we?

Remember, when you play croquet, you should always strike the ball with mallets towards none.

[gomi]

I believe, if wikipedia review has some self respect left, it should remove these stolen emails and ban the user who posted them for good.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

(Here.)

The very idea that "self-respect" should somehow inform us to protect the secrets of people who routinely participate in the defamation of others is laughable. Get your own house in order, Mbz1, before criticizing ours.