Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Fæ (/Fae/Ash), Quick, send a dossier to ArbCom and delete! Options

[Fusion]

Articles about porn companies are pretty much created and maintained by paid editors or company employees. I say this without any evidence but long experience on the topic.

I have not investigated this point myself and have no wish to! Yet it is no doubt very plausible.

[Abd]

Oh, yeah, wanna see a userpage that appears to defame someone, and has been sitting unchanged since June 2009?Smashcraft.

Brilliant. No excuse for allowing that page. SPA user, only edits are to that page, plus one edit to the user talk page. May very well refer to a real life person with the name given.

[SB_Johnny]

Oh, yeah, wanna see a userpage that appears to defame someone, and has been sitting unchanged since June 2009?Smashcraft.

Killed it. I assume you don't need that page for anything, Eric? I'll send you a copy if you need it.

[Abd]

Oh, yeah, wanna see a userpage that appears to defame someone, and has been sitting unchanged since June 2009?Smashcraft.

Killed it. I assume you don't need that page for anything, Eric? I'll send you a copy if you need it.

Good work.

[EricBarbour]

Thanks no, I don't need it.

You see, boys'n'girls? I can get things on Wikipedia deleted, without going anywhere near it.
Ha ha ha, isn't that "funny".

Anyone care to guess how many other defamatory userpages or talkpages there are?

[Abd]

Anyone care to guess how many other defamatory userpages or talkpages there are?

3,127.

[Michaeldsuarez]

The stupid is strong in this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=474810310

Hopefully, this revision will put an end to the revert war.

[lilburne]

The stupid is strong in this one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=474810310

Hopefully, this revision will put an end to the revert war.

Trading in stolen goods now?

[SB_Johnny]

WP:NLT?

[Rhindle]

From what I observe, it's the ones trying to stick up for him that are causing him the most problems. Homophobia? No links to examples. Harrassment? Dodging getting in trouble and being questioned about why this happened is apparently harrassment. Fae could have made a statement and let that be that. If some weren't so gung ho about the Banned means Banned policy it probably wouldn't have been a big deal. Some tried to frame it as a question about process which is what the focus should have been on in the first place if you wanted to defend the guy.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

What the oversighters did was unjust. Censoring my comment alone will slant everyone against Delicious carbuncle. A counter-argument should be available. A defense of Delicious carbuncle is made inaccessible, while a severe and flawed condemnation of him is still accessible.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 8th February 2012, 7:54pm

[Peter Damian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

What the oversighters did was unjust. Censoring my comment alone will slant everyone against Delicious carbuncle. A counter-argument should be available. A defense of Delicious carbuncle is made inaccessible, while a severe and flawed condemnation of him is still accessible.

The logic of that whole thread is bizarre, especially the comments from 'Wnt'. I've always had the belief that human beings are essentially logical, rational creatures. These events are seriously eroding that belief.

[Michaeldsuarez]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

Fred Bauder wasn't really protected anyone by suppressing my comment; all he accomplished was pure censorship.

This post has been edited by Michaeldsuarez: Wed 8th February 2012, 9:31pm

[Silenteditor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

Fred Bauder wasn't really protected anyone by suppressing my comment; all he accomplished was pure censorship.

...and Wnt's response is that the whole RfC be deleted. Which is presumably the plan, whether discussed or not.

[Abd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairnessFred Bauder wasn't really protected anyone by suppressing my comment; all he accomplished was pure censorship.

...and Wnt's response is that the whole RfC be deleted. Which is presumably the plan, whether discussed or not.

Aw, c'mon, that's not fair. He indicated he'd accept suppressing his own comment, which is one possible response to the situation, accepting the argument of Michaelsuarez, and then just added a suggestion about deleting the whole RfC. Joke. Sure, maybe he'd like that, but, in context, this is hardly the core of his "response." The core was quite civil and within reason, within what Michael was suggesting. If deletion of the RfC was the "plan," it seems that it failed, he's not arguing for deletion, and seems to accept equal treatment, either deletion of both comments, his and Michael's, or the restoration of Michael's comment.

At least that's how I read it.

[Eppur si muove]

And Rich Farnborough plays the WR card. Presumably a letter has been sent to the Joint Committee on Privacy saying "Ignore the critical comments about Wikimedia, they were written by WR readers." And a letter is on the way to every editor under the Sun, saying "Don't print anything Dan Murphy says. He may be Middle East Correspondent of an important magazine but he's a member of WR."

[SB_Johnny]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

What the oversighters did was unjust. Censoring my comment alone will slant everyone against Delicious carbuncle. A counter-argument should be available. A defense of Delicious carbuncle is made inaccessible, while a severe and flawed condemnation of him is still accessible.

The logic of that whole thread is bizarre, especially the comments from 'Wnt'. I've always had the belief that human beings are essentially logical, rational creatures. These events are seriously eroding that belief.

Wnt for Witch-hunt?

All of the homophobia/knight-in-shining-armor stuff was either complete insanity or a very clever way to prevent the actual issues from receiving any attention. Maybe some of them really think there's an anti-gay cabal at work, but I have a hard time believing that some of them aren't just making a game of it.

It looks like Ashley finally figured out the flaw of letting his minions go to war for him, because it's effectively created a small google bomb that's going to be very hard to defuse.

[lilburne]

Pfftt He already was a googlebomb. The name isn't common and as such his dox were already up for the taking for anyone that could paste his name into google.

[radek]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...ed_for_fairness

What the oversighters did was unjust. Censoring my comment alone will slant everyone against Delicious carbuncle. A counter-argument should be available. A defense of Delicious carbuncle is made inaccessible, while a severe and flawed condemnation of him is still accessible.

The logic of that whole thread is bizarre, especially the comments from 'Wnt'. I've always had the belief that human beings are essentially logical, rational creatures. These events are seriously eroding that belief.

Wnt for Witch-hunt?

All of the homophobia/knight-in-shining-armor stuff was either complete insanity or a very clever way to prevent the actual issues from receiving any attention. Maybe some of them really think there's an anti-gay cabal at work, but I have a hard time believing that some of them aren't just making a game of it.

It looks like Ashley finally figured out the flaw of letting his minions go to war for him, because it's effectively created a small google bomb that's going to be very hard to defuse.

They're making a game of it, that's what they're in it for, I'd put good money on the table that most of them don't even care about Ash himself but are just using him. Half are in it for the drama and fun. Other half (-2%) are in it to pursue their own agendas (like Priorymen) and this is just an opportunity for them to do so.

Sad thing is, whatever Ash/Fae's problems, and there was sketchy stuff with his RfA etc, he's become a pawn here. It's not just that his supporters are creating a google bomb, but just simply that some of them are so over the top and idiotic that they're managing to hurt whatever credibility he's got left simply by virtue of association.

I'd feel sorry for him actually, except that he's had and still has the option to step into this and say to his supporters "ok guys, thanks for the support but I don't think this is about homophobia and you need to stop being crazy here" or something like that.

[The Joy]

I keep seeking references to "harassment" and "homophobic attacks" on Wikipedia regarding Fae. Could someone point out these specific posts? (Maybe not here, but in one of the non-public forums?) It's maddening to say WR is engaging in harassment and hate speech with no evidence to back up the assertions.