Bose AfD could use attention from experienced editors Options

[SnottyWong]

There's an AfD running currently that is attempting to delete about 10 articles, which I feel is being somewhat railroaded by inexperienced WP editors. I'm definitely not asking anyone to come and vote the way I want you to vote, but I feel that this AfD would be quickly resolved if it got the attention of a few experienced editors. If you're up to it, have a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...stereo_speakers

Thanks.

[A Horse With No Name]

There's an AfD running currently that is attempting to delete about 10 articles, which I feel is being somewhat railroaded by inexperienced WP editors. I'm definitely not asking anyone to come and vote the way I want you to vote, but I feel that this AfD would be quickly resolved if it got the attention of a few experienced editors. If you're up to it, have a look:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Art...stereo_speakers

Thanks.

The gig is up, Wong -- the RCMP came riding in to expose you as an unrepentant canvasser: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=322371127

[Apathetic]

He may yet repent. =)

[SnottyWong]

He may yet repent. =)

Jeez, sorry. I figured that since I wasn't asking for people to come who only share my opinion, nor did I even express my opinion or any details of the case, that I wasn't doing anything wrong. I was just looking for some more attention from experienced editors. Anyway, can I just delete this whole topic or what? It's only been up for 20 minutes... What's the best course of action from here on out?

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[Apathetic]

He may yet repent. =)

Jeez, sorry. I figured that since I wasn't asking for people to come who only share my opinion, nor did I even express my opinion or any details of the case, that I wasn't doing anything wrong. I was just looking for some more attention from experienced editors. Anyway, can I just delete this whole topic or what? It's only been up for 20 minutes... What's the best course of action from here on out?

Don't sweat it...

Best course of action...don't canvass =)

[Somey]

Best course of action...don't canvass =)

Is it really canvassing if he explicitly says "I'm definitely not asking anyone to come and vote the way I want you to vote"? I should think not.

You're probably thinking that Mr. Wong figured that "experienced editors" is a code-phrase, synonymous with "rabid haters and deleters of corporate product-spam." Am I right? Because it looks like you're violating the "AGF" rule somewhat in this case, not that you're likely to be criticized for that here of course.

[Apathetic]

Best course of action...don't canvass =)

Is it really canvassing if he explicitly says "I'm definitely not asking anyone to come and vote the way I want you to vote"? I should think not.

He can say that, but another recent post (wisely redacted) from them casts doubt on the belief that he's come here just to get people from all sides of the spectrum to participate.

[Somey]

He can say that, but another recent post (wisely redacted) from them casts doubt on the belief that he's come here just to get people from all sides of the spectrum to participate.

Maybe... but he hasn't made any secret of his own preferences in that regard. He's the nominator, after all... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

It's just that I wouldn't use the term "canvassing" to refer to this WR thread - a one-word verb for "drawing general attention to" would be more accurate, like "advertising" or "promoting" maybe. But even advertisers can usually choose their target demographic more precisely than a WR poster can - there's really no way to know who's going to read a thread here, what their reaction will be, and (most importantly) whether or not they'll act on something like that.

And let's face it, it is quite possible that Bose has a number of employees, retailers, and contract PR people operating on their behalf, on WP and elsewhere. In fact, almost any company that does direct sales and long-form TV advertising is likely to have that.

[GlassBeadGame]

Moderator's note: The original title of this thread was "Important AfD could use attention from experienced editors." This was changed to "Bose Afd..." in deference to those among our readers who lack a specific interest in articles related to audio products.

He can say that, but another recent post (wisely redacted) from them casts doubt on the belief that he's come here just to get people from all sides of the spectrum to participate.

Maybe... but he hasn't made any secret of his own preferences in that regard. He's the nominator, after all... (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif)

It's just that I wouldn't use the term "canvassing" to refer to this WR thread - a one-word verb for "drawing general attention to" would be more accurate, like "advertising" or "promoting" maybe. But even advertisers can usually choose their target demographic more precisely than a WR poster can - there's really no way to know who's going to read a thread here, what their reaction will be, and (most importantly) whether or not they'll act on something like that.

Well at least Mr. Snottywong seems to using WR to break a WP rule which is at least a slight improvement over the usual Wikipedian nonsense. I do think the word "Important" in the title is misleading.

[Somey]

I do think the word "Important" in the title is misleading.

Maybe "Bose AfD" instead? Or would that just make the situation worse, advertising-wise?

Anyway, if they're going to use the word "canvassing" to refer to almost any kind of general announcement (and I can't imagine anybody thinking we have some sort of official preference for Bose speakers here), then they're mangling the English language. "Canvassing" in the internet context should refer specifically to direct communications with targeted individuals (or groups thereof) to encourage people to act in accordance with the canvasser's wishes.

For example, an e-mail to WikiEN-L might be "promoting," but would only be "canvassing" if the person knew who all the subscribers were and had a fairly good idea that none of them would react by doing something other than what he wants. The same should hold true here, generally speaking. Whereas, an e-mail to the Infinity or JBL or Boston Acoustics corporate mailing lists (or forums, etc.) presumably would be "canvassing," and of course that should be discouraged if at all possible.