Limey   The National Portrait Gallery Threatens Litigation  
GlassBeadGame   See the letter issued by solicitors for the UK Na...  
Kato   I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back wh...  
Limey   Whether the Wikipedios end up being in the clear...  
Kato   Hopefully, the user involved just deletes all the...  
EricBarbour   Hopefully, the user involved just deletes all the ...  
GlassBeadGame   I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back w...  
No one of consequence   The National Portrait Gallery is a substantial in...  
Kato   But the WMF is in the US. Is there such a thing ...  
Push the button   ...a radical and essentially right wing agenda to...  
No one of consequence   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183073'...  
Kato   Isn't [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183073...  
taiwopanfob   But it should only be available to people who can ...  
No one of consequence   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183078'...  
taiwopanfob   [quote name='taiwopanfob' post='183090' date='Sat...  
GlassBeadGame   March 2009, without our client’s consent, y...  
taiwopanfob   In any event maybe the "free culture" fa...  
One   I'm going to ignore your irrelevant strawman ...  
TungstenCarbide   I heard a Wikipedia Weekly podcast a while back w...  
GlassBeadGame   Nah, no moral justification. They might be [i]le...  
Sarcasticidealist   I'm no expert on copyright but I quit certain ...  
TungstenCarbide   Nah, no moral justification. They might be [i]l...  
Kato   I agree, legally speaking. But think about it -...  
EricBarbour   It takes time and money to produce quality reprodu...  
Kato   (crap, having trouble finding threads about bad h...  
TungstenCarbide   I agree, legally speaking. But think about it ...  
Peter Damian   You seem to be pouring doubt and scorn on the cla...  
TungstenCarbide   You seem to be pouring doubt and scorn on the cl...  
Push the button   Why should it be so for a photograph of a masterp...  
standixon   If I take a photograph, don't I own the copyri...  
Push the button   If I take a photograph, don't I own the copyr...  
Kato   Where the hell is NYB when we need him. NYB is u...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183056' date=...  
Kato   And the National Gallery is making money off of d...  
Kato   I suspect that the letter from the NPG's lawy...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183289' date='...  
GlassBeadGame   against someone residing in the US, about server...  
Peter Damian   It also takes skill and expensive equipment to ma...  
Push the button   On the supposedly complex legal situation, the le...  
taiwopanfob   Where's the originality in a photograph which...  
No one of consequence   Where's the originality in a photograph whic...  
Peter Damian   No, please see Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Co...  
taiwopanfob   No, please see [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...  
TungstenCarbide   It also takes skill and expensive equipment to m...  
taiwopanfob   The national gallery is trying to say the photogra...  
Kato   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183260' date=...  
GlassBeadGame   Yes, there is a creativity requirement for copyr...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183260' date=...  
dogbiscuit   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='183070' date='Sa...  
Random832   It takes time and money to produce quality reprodu...  
dogbiscuit   It takes time and money to produce quality reprod...  
taiwopanfob   The other example, say the Boston Pops Orchestra p...  
Eva Destruction   As also has been pointed out, the WikiMedia licen...  
Milton Roe   That isn't relevant to this particular case, ...  
Eva Destruction   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183862' date=...  
One   [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183852' date='Tue ...  
Eva Destruction   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183862' date=...  
One   [quote name='One' post='183875' date='Tue 14th Ju...  
taiwopanfob   Well, the [url=http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...  
One   But Jimbo's reading is apparently incomplete....  
dogbiscuit   As also has been pointed out, the WikiMedia lice...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183024' date='S...  
A Horse With No Name   GeorgeWilliamHerbert, the blocking admin, has lo...  
Jon Awbrey   [quote name='Kato' post='183017' date='Fri 10th J...  
Random832   Whether the Wikipedios end up being in the clear...  
Kato   [quote name='Kato' post='183017' date='Sat 11th J...  
JohnA   Its just plagiarism, pure and simple. I bet those ...  
Limey   FWIW. This is being discussed on Commons here: htt...  
dtobias   Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in t...  
Jon Awbrey   Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in ...  
thekohser   All the ↑2d8 Libertaters have moved on to ...  
dogbiscuit   Legally, the gallery might be right, at least in ...  
Kato   In the UK, institutions like the National Portrai...  
sbrown   Theres the point that aparently theyd gone to the ...  
Kato   Here's the National Portrait Gallery's sta...  
No one of consequence   Good on them, but... So, if I am affluent enough...  
Kato   And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wild...  
Push the button   And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wil...  
Kato   [quote name='Kato' post='183085' date='Sat 11th J...  
Push the button   But many of the same moral ambiguities can be app...  
taiwopanfob   NPG's reproductions, no matter how technically...  
Kato   But many of the same moral ambiguities can be ap...  
Cla68   I remember a few years ago I was dismayed to find ...  
No one of consequence   [quote name='No one of consequence' post='183081'...  
LessHorrid vanU   And do you think that people who stage Oscar Wil...  
Push the button   The Gallery's image licensing department rai...  
Peter Damian   'Wanker' Gerard chimes in http://davidger...  
dtobias   Interesting how to oppose a "right-wing corpo...  
LessHorrid vanU   Thinking about this - and following a comment made...  
Grep   Well this would all be extremely hilarious if it w...  
taiwopanfob   Does Dcoetzee really think WMF will pay for his le...  
Push the button   Another good question: if Dcoetzee decides he do...  
MZMcBride   Everybody agrees that the original images are in t...  
taiwopanfob   The part I find amusing is that the NPG is deliber...  
MZMcBride   [quote name='MZMcBride' post='183132' date='Sat 1...  
taiwopanfob   It's a public service. Maybe this is the crux ...  
Kato   I agree that the National Portrait Gallery should...  
dtobias   Nobody has any business agreeing to things, in a s...  
Grep   Nobody has any business agreeing to things, in a ...  
dtobias   In the U.S., anything produced by federal governme...  
tarantino   All the NPG images on Commons have been tagged wit...  
GlassBeadGame   All the NPG images on Commons have been tagged wi...  
dogbiscuit   It strikes me that the fundamental issue that the ...  
SB_Johnny   I'm not sure what I think about this case, but...  
tarantino   I'm not sure what I think about this case, bu...  
thekohser   That is too funny. Once again, the Foundation l...  
zvook   [quote name='SB_Johnny' post='183228' date='Sun 1...  
The Wales Hunter   The bypassing technical measures to obtain the ima...  
tarantino   Lar has removed Dcoetzee's administrator right...  
taiwopanfob   Lar has removed Dcoetzee's administrator right...  
dogbiscuit   Lar has removed Dcoetzee's administrator righ...  
Lar   [url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=...  
GlassBeadGame   [url=http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title...  
One   That wasn't why either. I doubt that avoid...  
Lar   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183352' date='S...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183352' date='...  
Lar   Yes I think I did something wrong with the post b...  
taiwopanfob   I don't think that's true. They said they ...  
taiwopanfob   Smart but wrong, eh? Ok, got it, thanks for cleari...  
GlassBeadGame   Hmm? He hopes they get medium res version to de...  
taiwopanfob   [quote name='taiwopanfob' post='183337' date='Sun ...  
Apathetic   Don't think I would've uploaded 'em in...  
GlassBeadGame   Don't think I would've uploaded 'em i...  
Apathetic   Don't think I would've uploaded 'em ...  
Cedric   Didn't I read earlier somewhere that NPG was ...  
taiwopanfob   Think about this: why the hell does an online enc...  
Apathetic   But I have another question: exactly why can...  
taiwopanfob   Well, properly licensed submissions are irrevocabl...  
Apathetic   Well, properly licensed submissions are irrevocab...  
taiwopanfob   Someone who contributed a lot of useful content mi...  
tarantino   GMaxwell's request pointed out that Dc was bei...  
Lar   So, where was the community discussion that ended...  
Cedric   I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the lega...  
Kato   I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the leg...  
Cedric   I am rather unsure of the strategy behind the le...  
Kato   On the desysopping: So they've abandoned th...  
GlassBeadGame   There has been difficulty in enforcing UK defamati...  
Selina   http://www.npg.org.uk/about/FAQ/how-much-i...ction...  
Floydsvoid   I'm not a lawyer but I have been on jury duty ...  
Eva Destruction   Poking around on [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/]http...  
dogbiscuit   Poking around on [url=http://www.npg.org.uk/]htt...  
Eva Destruction   [quote name='Eva Destruction' post='183371' date=...  
Malleus   Assuming I'm right about them having come fro...  
taiwopanfob   On a personal note, I'm pissed off that I have...  
Milton Roe   Assuming I'm right about them having come fr...  
Eva Destruction   [quote name='Malleus' post='183395' date='Sun 12t...  
tarantino   [quote name='Floydsvoid' post='183366' date='Sun ...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Floydsvoid' post='183366' date='Sun...  
Floydsvoid   Is it possible that "Dcoetzee" someho...  
tarantino   Oh, I missed the part about [url=http://www.zoom...  
Cedric   I wonder if this guy is going to get a letter, too...  
Supine   It's probable the letter partly or entirely wa...  
Peter Damian   The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre ...  
Supine   [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th...  
taiwopanfob   The demand in the letter to "c) permanently d...  
Supine   All true! There are laws relating to trespass...  
taiwopanfob   All true! There are laws relating to trespas...  
GlassBeadGame   The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre...  
Lar   Has anyone other than myself (and me only here) e...  
taiwopanfob   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183408' date='S...  
Supine   [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12t...  
Supine   Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co ...  
MZMcBride   Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co a...  
Giano   Of course to you the lawyers at Farrer & Co ...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='MZMcBride' post='183434' date='Mon 1...  
dogbiscuit   Jeez, this is a civil matter. No one is going to...  
One   The last requirement is perhaps the most bizarre ...  
Supine   [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12th...  
One   [quote name='Supine' post='183401' date='Sun 12t...  
quantpole   It's hilarious seeing the free speech heroes l...  
dtobias   He might have problems if he gets a default judgme...  
GlassBeadGame   He might have problems if he gets a default judgm...  
Kato   Wikipedios are doing what Wikipedios do best, they...  
Nerd   Wikipedios are doing what Wikipedios do best, the...  
Cedric   It keeps getting better and better: (emphasis h...  
Kato   Ridiculous. This emphasises precisely why Wikip...  
dogbiscuit   It keeps getting better and better: (emphasis ...  
Kato   It is really, really simple. It is not about copy...  
TungstenCarbide   [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183446' date='Mon ...  
thekohser   I'm going to take a wild guess here that the ...  
Kato   "we will fulfil your order" That's...  
thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='183553' date='Mon 1...  
Milton Roe   I'm going to take a wild guess here that the...  
TungstenCarbide   Funniest news article title so far - http://www.t...  
GlassBeadGame   Funniest news article title so far - http://www....  
Moulton   Good article, but it is imperative that NPG gets s...  
dtobias   [quote name='TungstenCarbide' post='183584' date=...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183599' date='M...  
taiwopanfob   Gmaxwell sayeth: Well, no: Dcoetzee is being h...  
dtobias   There are cases where a U.S. court has refused to ...  
GlassBeadGame   There are cases where a U.S. court has refused to...  
Daxx   One could argue that this is a civil matter and n...  
dtobias   Of course, now I'm wondering how someone coul...  
Obesity   Dcoetzee rhymes with goatse. Coincidence??? YOU D...  
Cedric   Just in case any of you thought that I had already...  
Supine   Oh you're referring to the settlement terms bi...  
Supine   A Foundation-L mailing list post mentions the Apri...  
dcoetzee   Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althoug...  
Cedric   Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althou...  
GlassBeadGame   Hi all, I took a look over the thread, and althou...  
Somey   ...these images were in fact obtained from the NPG...  
Milton Roe   The example used by the NPG's Assistant Pictu...  
Moulton   Per your signature, are you still an Administrator...  
Apathetic   Per your signature, are you still an Administrato...  
taiwopanfob   s/he still has adminship rights at en.wiki, and pr...  
Malleus   Per your signature, are you still an Administrato...  
Adambro   Hopefully this can get resolved without legal acti...  
Floydsvoid   I'm inclined to disagree with the NPG on this...  
Kato   In light of this business, the National Portrait G...  
GlassBeadGame   In light of this business, the National Portrait ...  
No one of consequence   [quote name='Kato' post='183743' date='Mon 13th J...  
GlassBeadGame   [quote name='Kato' post='183743' date='Mon 13th ...  
Nerd   In light of this business, the National Portrait...  
dogbiscuit   Having read the earlier letter, I was struck by th...  
thekohser   What is absolutely disgraceful is that the NPG is...  
Gandoman   Link to this "mention", please? Dcoetz...  
thekohser   [quote name='thekohser' post='183796' date='Tue 1...  
Milton Roe   ZOMG! They won't allow our hare-brained ...  
Giano   Having read the earlier letter, I was struck by t...  
Mathsci   [quote name='dogbiscuit' post='183790' date='Tue ...  
GlassBeadGame   Having read the [url=http://commons.wikimedia.org...  
thekohser   The article has its share of inaccuracies (WMF on...  
Gandoman   One thing that has previously been mentioned over ...  
Cedric   The MSM is finally on the story. EDIT: "A s...  
Kato   The MSM [url=http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...  
taiwopanfob   Gerard seems to have tempered his earlier rallying...  
Moulton   The NPG spokesman added: "We haven't actu...  
dogbiscuit   The fundamental issue here is that the UK copyrigh...  
Apathetic   What is worse, even when some tragedy strikes (an...  
dogbiscuit   What is worse, even when some tragedy strikes (a...  
Moulton   Dogbiscuit is right. An unethical system is an un...  
Kato   Working with, not against, cultural institutions ...  
GlassBeadGame   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikip...  
Cedric   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki...  
Random832   ...offers free access to all visitors. Yes, for o...  
thekohser   ...offers free access to all visitors. Yes, for ...  
dtobias   But you've got to admit that the attitude in t...  
GlassBeadGame   But you've got to admit that the attitude in ...  
thekohser   ...Durova is a bit of a weather vain... Pun int...  
GlassBeadGame   ...Durova is a bit of a weather vain... Pun in...  
dtobias   [quote name='GlassBeadGame' post='183994' date='T...  
Peter Damian   Although major newpapers like the Guardian are cov...  
MBisanz   Although major newpapers like the Guardian are co...  
Peter Damian   [quote name='Peter Damian' post='184083' date='We...  
MBisanz   [quote name='MBisanz' post='184084' date='Wed 15t...  
Peter Damian   Not sure I agree with exactly how that is worded,...  
MBisanz   Not sure I agree with exactly how that is worded...  
No one of consequence   I wonder if anyone has actually read the [url=http...