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thekohser
post Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm
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Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant.

She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter.

Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

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post Tue 25th January 2011, 3:56pm
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Nice to know where the money goes …

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post Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 8:56am) *

Nice to know where the money goes …

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Paying for separate rooms for herself and assistant? Adjoining or not? The world wants to know. tongue.gif

Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back.

The irony here is very thick. Mantanmoreland, now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. tongue.gif) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.
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post Tue 25th January 2011, 7:54pm
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.


Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together.

But you shoulda known that already, Flakey …

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *


Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back.

The irony here is very thick. Mantan now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. tongue.gif) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.

On that evidence Sue Gardner seems to be rather too good for the WMF, I expect her to be moving onward and upward very soon.
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post Tue 25th January 2011, 9:44pm
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Tue 25th January 2011, 1:01pm) *

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Any bets that she took a laptop? BUT, did she edit Wikipedia from India, like Weiss/Mantanmoreland did? Himself being a "true" Wikipedian? Any bets? Okay, I'll spare you. Her user contributions show she didn't edit from Sept 24 last year, to Jan 1 this year. Her trip was Nov. 20 to Dec. 6. So not only didn't she edit on her worldwide trip, but she didn't edit for 2 months before leaving, and for 3 weeks after getting back.

The irony here is very thick. Mantan now banned, was a real addict about editing Wikipedia (for that matter, so is Kohs. tongue.gif) Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.

On that evidence Sue Gardner seems to be rather too good for the WMF, I expect her to be moving onward and upward very soon.

She's not as good as her present salary. I think it will keep her "stuck" for quite some time. Perhaps longer than is "good" for her, overall. ohmy.gif But that's a happy problem few would avoid.
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.


Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together.

But you shoulda known that already, Flakey …

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Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books).

Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing.
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post Tue 25th January 2011, 11:29pm
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) *

Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant.

She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter.

Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

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Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels.

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post Tue 25th January 2011, 11:35pm
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) *

Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant.

She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter.

Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

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Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels.


You see? Cynicism. A cynic not only has learned the bitter lessons of the past, but is prematurely disappointed with the future, too. Meanwhile, we tend to predict things better than people who see stuff through rose-colored glasses.

Raise arms, anybody, if you think Sue Gardner flies around the world whilst crammed into a coach seat. Anybody?

ermm.gif You know, somebody could ask her that on her TALK page. Politely. Not you, Cla68-- you should probably dig a hole someplace.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 11:35pm) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) *

Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant.

She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter.

Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

biggrin.gif


Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels.


You see? Cynicism. A cynic not only has learned the bitter lessons of the past, but is prematurely disappointed with the future, too. Meanwhile, we tend to predict things better than people who see stuff through rose colored glasses.

Raise arms, anybody, if you think Sue Gardner flies around the world whilst crammed into a coach seat. Anybody?

ermm.gif You know, somebody could ask her that on her TALK page. Politely. Not you, Cla68-- you should probably dig a hole someplace.


Also, ask her how she gets to the airport from her home. Does someone from the Wikimedia office drop her off, do they have a contract with a car service, does she and her assistant take separate taxis, even if they live way out in the suburbs, or does the Foundation reimburse them for parking at the airport? Since she flies so much, presumably she has free access to the airline's frequent flier lounge so she can plug in her laptop to edit Wikipedia, or does the Foundation purchase access for her? At their destinations, do they try to stay in hotels with free shuttle service to and from the airport, or do they take taxis again? Do they get per diem at each location? If so, how much? Those kind of expenses can add up and she is, presumably, using charitable donations to fund her travel.

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Moderators' note: Speculation regarding whether or not certain "personal" items in Ms. Gardner's wardrobe have been subsidized (or otherwise paid for) using Wikimedia Foundation funds were moved to this thread. We apologize for the incontinence inconvenience.



My guess would be the assistant picks her up in his car, pays for the parking at SFO (approx. $20 per day) using his credit card, and then the Foundation conveniently "misplaces" the expense report for several months until he's forced to undergo the humiliation of having to "ask someone in accounting" to find out where his check went. After that, Sue will fire the assistant for not being a "team player."

Luckily, parking at SFO has never been easier or more affordable! smile.gif
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 25th January 2011, 11:29pm) *

QUOTE(thekohser @ Tue 25th January 2011, 3:08pm) *

Sue Garder traveled the globe recently, "accompanied" by her male assistant.

She jetted all the way to London to meet a 12-year-old boy named Peter.

Later, in India, she coveted another woman's muffin.

That's what I got out of it, anyway.

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Shouldn't someone who leads an internet-based organization be trying to use technologies like video-teleconferencing instead sitting on so many airplanes? Anyway, I assume she and the assistant are flying in coach and staying in business hotels.


Wasn't there some figures about $400,000 a year on travel expenses? Which is over $1000 a day and seems rather excessive.

Presumably they are charging for speaking engagements and interviews, and as they are employees that should be being paid to the foundation. So what is the actual net cost of the travel?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 4:52pm) *

QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:54pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 12:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it, couldn't care less about editing the thing.


Which goes to show that the Asshead Queen is smarter than all her Wiki-Pushees put together.

But you shoulda known that already, Flakey …

Jon tongue.gif


Now, now. Try to separate the content from the people who lord it over the content. Very little Good Stuff on WP actually gets oversighted out of existence. It's all there in the manure pile or tailings or placer deposit, just waiting for the grubbers of the future to take advantage of it. Even when overwritten, it's more accessable to the average person than a really good book of 30 years ago, that is now out of print and exists only in a few library basements (and not yet on Google Books).

Patience. This is a process. Even in sewage treatment there comes a point when the product is safe to drink, except you can't find anybody who wants to drink it. Yet progress is still undeniable. People in desperate circumstances COULD drink it, and remain healthy. It's not Evian but it's far better than nothing.


Ah, Milton, the Snow-Blind Wonder, the Jimbo Jesuit, for whom no atrocity can take the shine off the Greater Glory Of Glop.

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QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 10:17am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO?


In the US it's still quite a significant accomplishment. Women make up over half of the labor force, but are only CEOs of 2.5% the top 1000 US companies.

But somehow I doubt that's what MR was talking about.

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QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:17am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP?

No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you?
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 2:34pm) *

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP?

No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you?

It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots.

After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do?

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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 26th January 2011, 8:34pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Wed 26th January 2011, 2:34pm) *

QUOTE(Detective @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:17am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 25th January 2011, 5:42pm) *

Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP?

No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you?

It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots.

After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do?


At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Wed 26th January 2011, 1:34pm) *

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Sue Gardner, the female CEO of the foundation responsible for it

What's the significance of being a female CEO? Or are we just saying that females can't edit WP?

No, Sue Gardner is the one COMPLAINING that females don't edit WP, when she doesn't edit significantly herself, even though she's CEO of the thing. You really are having a hard time understanding the irony of this, aren't you?

It may be that we realize Sue is smart enough to maintain a posture that she is above Wikipedia editors, male and female alike, and it would not be fitting of her office to be slogging away in the trenches with the gullible Wikipediots.

Unlikely, as she didn't edit much for the significant time she was an editor BEFORE she became WMF's CEO. Basically she has no excuse. She has no reason for not editing WP that every other woman she wants to edit, doesn't also have. And Sue has many reasons and opportunities to edit that the average woman never will have, and yet she took advantage of them neither before becoming CEO, or after.
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After all, if she really started editing frequently, how soon before it becomes clear to her and to those editing with her that Wikipedia is a messy, irresponsible battleground of opinions, not worthy of tax-exempt status? Then what would she be left to do?

Lie to herself. But she's already doing that, apparently.

Of course it's possible that Sue is doing the "Undercover Boss" trick (a.k.a. the Harry le Roy trick from Henry V), by going about as an alternatve account with no special powers, to see what editing WP as an ordinary editor is REALLY like. And if that's the case, I take back everything I've said about her. We shall see.
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Wed 26th January 2011, 3:42pm) *

At a minimum she could take some pictures of some of these places in Poland, India, and wherever else she travels to, upload them to Commons (or have her assistant do it after he finishes filling-out their travel reimbursement paperwork), and add the pictures to the appropriate articles.

Poland is looking more and more like the next WMF oursource after India. Wikia has long been there, and WMF has checked them out with a Wikimania in July, 2010. Now, Sue goes there again at the end of the year. That's a lot of attention.
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