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Ryulong
post Tue 24th March 2009, 6:54am
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Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 7:21am
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QUOTE(Ryulong @ Mon 23rd March 2009, 11:54pm) *

Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.

Yes, son, we do care. We care to see you desysopped.

Shut off your damned computer, go out and find a girlfriend or something.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 7:32am
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Sun 22nd March 2009, 3:31pm) *

Ryulong is EXCELLENT PROOF that adminship should have a limited time period.


The idea sounds nice but after a minute or two spend pondering it in a comfort station, one starts to see the problems:

(a) there would be even more teenage admins as most older ones would be already dehammered.
(b) the scum admins would most probably try to get a sock account sysoped shortly before the two year time limit.

The end result would be WP would have only teens and/or psychopaths as its admins. wtf.gif


(Caveat: some of you may claim it's already true)
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 7:33am
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QUOTE(Ryulong @ Tue 24th March 2009, 6:54am) *

Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.


By the way, I think it's perfectly fine to have an article about the show Kamen Rider, but why have separate articles about each of the fictional characters in the show?
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 8:13am
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QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:33am) *

QUOTE(Ryulong @ Tue 24th March 2009, 6:54am) *

Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.


By the way, I think it's perfectly fine to have an article about the show Kamen Rider, but why have separate articles about each of the fictional characters in the show?

Why not?
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 3:26pm
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QUOTE(Ryulong @ Tue 24th March 2009, 8:13am) *
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Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.

By the way, I think it's perfectly fine to have an article about the show Kamen Rider, but why have separate articles about each of the fictional characters in the show?

Why not?

That's right. You tell them. I don't really know who "Kamen Rider" is, or what he wants, but I suspect there's a huge undercurrent of mystery and homoeroticism there, which is fine by me (being a modern man, and all that). Ryulong - rhymes with "dong", right?
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 3:47pm
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I don't know jack about this show either but it does seem to have a huge cult following. I remember Sean Black was really into it and nobody thought he was nuts.

I know a lot of folks here have issues with Ryulong but I don't why do you have to give him shit about the one thing he does that can't possibly be affecting you.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 4:18pm
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:47pm) *
I don't know jack about this show either but it does seem to have a huge cult following.

Indeed it does. But you've mis-spelled "cult".
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I know a lot of folks here have issues with Ryulong but I don't why do you have to give him shit about the one thing he does that can't possibly be affecting you.

Well, Lottso, as I've said before (I think) the whole point is to just enjoy yourself. That's what Wikipedo Review is all about. For me, anyway. Hugs.
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 12:42am
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The case has now been opened by MBisanz. I'm currently neutral in regards to the case, but at first I didn't think it was going to get accepted: instead it has nine arbitrators supporting and none opposing.

I'll think I'll watch the case: I'm interested in how in turns out.
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 12:46am
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QUOTE(Ahypori @ Wed 25th March 2009, 12:42am) *

QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Sat 21st March 2009, 2:50am) *


The case has now been opened by MBisanz. I'm currently neutral in regards to the case, but at first I didn't think it was going to get accepted: instead it has nine arbitrators supporting and none opposing.

I'll think I'll watch the case: I'm interested in how in turns out.


Well as I said in my statement, he's been a problem since the beginning, and should never have even been made an admin.
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 1:45am
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QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 25th March 2009, 12:46am) *

Well as I said in my statement, he's been a problem since the beginning, and should never have even been made an admin.


Funnily enough, Ryulong 3 was the first RfA I ever participated in (support). I've often speculated that, had Ryulong gone on to have a fourth RfA (rather than had the third closed at 68% as successful), it's possible that the RfCs and the current arbitration case now opened regarding his tool use and conduct wouldn't be happening, as he would have taken on board what would have led to RfA#3 being unsuccessful, and would be a much better administrator. Unfortunately, we won't know. unhappy.gif I dunno...maybe I'm being too generous here.

For the record, does anyone remember what Raul654's rationale for closing that RfA as successful was?
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 2:01am
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QUOTE(Ryulong @ Tue 24th March 2009, 8:13am) *

QUOTE(Cla68 @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:33am) *

QUOTE(Ryulong @ Tue 24th March 2009, 6:54am) *

Daw... I didn't think you guys still cared.


By the way, I think it's perfectly fine to have an article about the show Kamen Rider, but why have separate articles about each of the fictional characters in the show?

Why not?


Because fictional subjects don't require reliable sources, which means that they don't have to pass the "notability" and other standards. For example, the article about the Gel-shocker fictional organization from the show lists as it's sole source some fan's website. Obviously, that would never pass for a non-fictional topic. It's ridiculously amateurish. To be fair, you didn't start that article and have apparently made only one edit to it, but don't you think that articles like that one are an embarrassment to Wikipedia?
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 2:12am
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QUOTE(Ahypori @ Wed 25th March 2009, 1:45am) *

For the record, does anyone remember what Raul654's rationale for closing that RfA as successful was?


Something like "I spoke to him a bit on IRC, and I think he's a good guy".
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 2:16am
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QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 25th March 2009, 2:12am) *

QUOTE(Ahypori @ Wed 25th March 2009, 1:45am) *

For the record, does anyone remember what Raul654's rationale for closing that RfA as successful was?


Something like "I spoke to him a bit on IRC, and I think he's a good guy".


Really? Wow...I remember the anger WJBscribe got for promoting ^demon at 63%. At least his rationale for granting adminship in that case wasn't something along the lines of "I like this user".
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 2:43am
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Here's the quotation from Raul654:

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I have promoted Ryulong to sysop. While some might object that he was below 70% support (with 69.4%), I believe, based on my interactions with him, that he would make a good sysop, and it would be a mistake not to promote him. Raul654 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hilarity ensues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...t_69.4.25.21.3F Renesis is especially vocal for his/her outrage.

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I'm sorry, but the claim that I'm putting words in your mouth is completely ridiculous. You said nothing besides "based on 'my interactions...", and I haven't claimed you've said anything else. And I'd like to know why 65%, but not 68%, 70% or 75%? Why any mention of numbers, if this entire thing is based on "discretion"? -- Renesis (talk) 08:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

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It's not based *solely* on my interactions with him, and yes, that's the word you are putting in my mouth. I said I promoted him based on my interaction with him. I did not say I did so to the exclusion of the community's commentary. My interaction with him was the deciding factor, but not the only one. Raul654 08:55, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to Majorly's fuzzy memory of the incident, Raul654 did not say he conversed with Ryulong on IRC about the RFA. He did say:

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yes, I have interacted with Ryulong on IRC, as I have interacted on IRC with many hundreds of other people. ...
As to this RFA, the first time Ryulong knew of my interest in his RFA was when I told him I intended to promote him, about 5 minutes before I did. Raul654 08:57, 24 January 2007

One other comment from that discussion, by Somitho, bears repeating here:

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Ryulong has been granted the tools, and has promised to use them well. IF he breaks policy and goes nutso; then take it up with arbcom.

Prophetic?
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 9:45am
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QUOTE(Shalom @ Tue 24th March 2009, 7:43pm) *

Here's the quotation from Raul654:
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I have promoted Ryulong to sysop. While some might object that he was below 70% support (with 69.4%), I believe, based on my interactions with him, that he would make a good sysop, and it would be a mistake not to promote him. Raul654 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hilarity ensues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...t_69.4.25.21.3F

What a perfect example of Raul's arrogant, corrupt and power-mongering personality.

Can we get an RFAR against him for once?
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post Wed 25th March 2009, 12:16pm
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QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 25th March 2009, 5:45am) *

QUOTE(Shalom @ Tue 24th March 2009, 7:43pm) *

Here's the quotation from Raul654:
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I have promoted Ryulong to sysop. While some might object that he was below 70% support (with 69.4%), I believe, based on my interactions with him, that he would make a good sysop, and it would be a mistake not to promote him. Raul654 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hilarity ensues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...t_69.4.25.21.3F

What a perfect example of Raul's arrogant, corrupt and power-mongering personality.

Can we get an RFAR against him for once?

Well-deserved, but pointless. It would go nowhere. He holds way too much power and ArbCom wouldn't do jack to him. That's why you haven't seen a case against him.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 25th March 2009, 12:16pm) *

QUOTE(EricBarbour @ Wed 25th March 2009, 5:45am) *

QUOTE(Shalom @ Tue 24th March 2009, 7:43pm) *

Here's the quotation from Raul654:
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I have promoted Ryulong to sysop. While some might object that he was below 70% support (with 69.4%), I believe, based on my interactions with him, that he would make a good sysop, and it would be a mistake not to promote him. Raul654 06:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hilarity ensues. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tal...t_69.4.25.21.3F

What a perfect example of Raul's arrogant, corrupt and power-mongering personality.

Can we get an RFAR against him for once?

Well-deserved, but pointless. It would go nowhere. He holds way too much power and ArbCom wouldn't do jack to him. That's why you haven't seen a case against him.

Perhaps because no one has bothered to. If people got up of their arse to make a case instead of coming here to spend their lives whining about how x admin is a bitch and ruined my life etc etc then we'd get a lot more done.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 25th March 2009, 5:46pm) *

Perhaps because no one has bothered to. If people got up of their arse to make a case instead of coming here to spend their lives whining about how x admin is a bitch and ruined my life etc etc then we'd get a lot more done.

What species of people are these that have to share a single arse?
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QUOTE(Malleus @ Wed 25th March 2009, 5:52pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Wed 25th March 2009, 5:46pm) *

Perhaps because no one has bothered to. If people got up of their arse to make a case instead of coming here to spend their lives whining about how x admin is a bitch and ruined my life etc etc then we'd get a lot more done.

What species of people are these that have to share a single arse?


Perhaps yourself?
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