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Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates

The nomination process has begun.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 11th November 2012, 8:02am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates

The nomination process has begun.



I still don't think you have a chance to get elected, but if you do can you let me back in? smile.gif

Posted by: Shalom

QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 11th November 2012, 11:01am) *

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 11th November 2012, 8:02am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates

The nomination process has begun.



I still don't think you have a chance to get elected, but if you do can you let me back in? smile.gif

Jeffrey Peters, you are a moron. Just ask for the Standard Offer.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 11th November 2012, 11:01am) *

I still don't think you have a chance to get elected, but if you do can you let me back in? smile.gif



I'm not sure what you're talking about. Perhaps you're joking, but I don't understand the context of your joke's first portion. I've never tried to become an Arbitrator, and I don't plan on ever trying to become one. I'm also banned from enwiki.

Posted by: Shalom

QUOTE(Shalom @ Sun 11th November 2012, 2:04pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 11th November 2012, 11:01am) *

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 11th November 2012, 8:02am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates

The nomination process has begun.



I still don't think you have a chance to get elected, but if you do can you let me back in? smile.gif

Jeffrey Peters, you are a moron. Just ask for the Standard Offer.

Or not. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&oldid=374914948#Statement_on_ban_appeal_by_Ottava_Rima But time has passed so you may get another chance from Arbcom.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Shalom @ Sun 11th November 2012, 2:04pm) *

Just ask for the Standard Offer.



You obviously haven't bothered to follow my case at all.

Asking for the standard offer is what caused them to change my block from 1 year to indefinite. They were supposed to come up with terms of "probation" after 6 months and the terms they came up with was "never allowed to ever edit again." It only gets worse and worse witht he new set of Arbs as many of them are more problematic then the previous group.


Michael

QUOTE
Perhaps you're joking


Only a perhaps? Gesh. You obsess over all things ArbCom related. Of course it is a joke. >.<

Posted by: Ottava

Here, Michael, I will salvage your thread by making it interesting.



How about someone ask the following question: Do you believe the Ottava Rima case was handled appropriately to begin with, after the one year mark, and currently? Do you think the approach by the ArbCom vs the approach by the Community is related to the current problems Wikipedia has in attracting high quality content editors compared to those with a history of trouble and without the same level of content that was kept because of factional reasons?

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Ottava @ Sun 11th November 2012, 11:30pm) *

Here, Michael, I will salvage your thread by making it interesting.



How about someone ask the following question: Do you believe the Ottava Rima case was handled appropriately to begin with, after the one year mark, and currently? Do you think the approach by the ArbCom vs the approach by the Community is related to the current problems Wikipedia has in attracting high quality content editors compared to those with a history of trouble and without the same level of content that was kept because of factional reasons?


Wikipedia's founding community created a techno-anarchist, ultra-libertarian, ultra-egalitarian, quasi-communist, and anti-intellectual society. It's a strange place for academics and writers used to a more structured academic and professional environment. The dispute resolution process (of which Arbcom is a part) is not to solve the underlying cultural, moral, and philosophical problems that plague the project. Their purpose is to stop "disorder," i.e., anyone that causes people to be upset. If you, Malleus, Giano, or anyone else cause "problems" by pointing out issues and upsetting people, the goal of the community will be to get rid of you as a troublemaker and ignore the deeper issues.

I studied a major textile labor strike while in college. It amazed me how the media, the textile owners, and the local government never thought to research or investigate the reasons for the workers striking. They just assumed they were indoctrinated by "foreign agitators," Yankees, and communists. The workers were causing "disorder" and had to be crushed. I'm not comparing all the arbitrators, administrators, and other bigwigs on Wikipedia as being "strike breakers," but they are a part of system that punishes those that do not fit in with Wikipedia's culture, even if those "troublemakers" are right.

It's a sad story that has been and continues to be told. sad.gif

I guess that means Ottava is like Eugene V. Debs (T-H-L-K-D)? unsure.gif

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(The Joy @ Wed 14th November 2012, 9:31pm) *

Wikipedia's founding community created a techno-anarchist



I do like that term a lot. I always have. It has a really interesting image behind it, especially when you apply it to a sci-fi type atmosphere. In basics, a technocratic society should be rather like Confuscianism with those who work hard getting to the top. However, I like the idea of turning them into mindless robots (the sci-fi part) and then having them the anarchic rebels of that world - the mindless robots bent on spreading chaos, disorder, and the such.

It does fit way too well to many on Wikipedia.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

The nomination process has ended.

The incumbents David Fuchs, Elen of the Roads, Jclemens, and Newyorkbrad are seeking new terms. Casliber, PhilKnight, SirFozzie, and Xeno aren't seeking reelection.

Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren are seeking to return to ArbCom.

The non-sysops running in this year's election are Count Iblis, Pgallert, and YOLO Swag. All other candidates have the powers and responsibilities of sysops.

The candidates that I haven't named yet are Beeblebrox, Guerillero, Jc37, Keilana, Ks0stm, Kww, NuclearWarfare, RegentsPark, Richwales, Salvio giuliano, Timotheus Canens, and Worm That Turned.

Feel free to share your feelings on these candidates.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 21st November 2012, 10:07am) *

The nomination process has ended.

The incumbents David Fuchs, Elen of the Roads, Jclemens, and Newyorkbrad are seeking new terms. Casliber, PhilKnight, SirFozzie, and Xeno aren't seeking reelection.

Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren are seeking to return to ArbCom.

The non-sysops running in this year's election are Count Iblis, Pgallert, and YOLO Swag. All other candidates have the powers and responsibilities of sysops.

The candidates that I haven't named yet are Beeblebrox, Guerillero, Jc37, Keilana, Ks0stm, Kww, NuclearWarfare, RegentsPark, Richwales, Salvio giuliano, Timotheus Canens, and Worm That Turned.

Feel free to share your feelings on these candidates.



In order of people who should be there (I'll do a top 6).

1. Casliber
2. David Fuchs
3. NuclearWarfare
4. Elen of the Roads
5. Xeno
6. No one (there are too many now anyway).

Posted by: Retrospect

QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:33pm) *

1. Casliber
2. David Fuchs
3. NuclearWarfare
4. Elen of the Roads
5. Xeno
6. No one (there are too many now anyway).

Xeno isn't standing, fuckwit.

Posted by: opinionated spectator

I am leaning toward just voting for Worm That Turned and Newyorkbrad but IMHO the ArbCom Reform Party platform has promise. Some of you may recall YOLO Swag (fmrly NWA.Rep) ran last year. He was bullied and subsequently quit the project.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Retrospect @ Wed 21st November 2012, 2:37pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:33pm) *

1. Casliber
2. David Fuchs
3. NuclearWarfare
4. Elen of the Roads
5. Xeno
6. No one (there are too many now anyway).

Xeno isn't standing, fuckwit.



I said should be there. Can't you read? It had nothing to do with who I would vote for. Casliber isn't standing for re-election either. It doesn't mean he doesn't belong there.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(opinionated spectator @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:07pm) *

I am leaning toward just voting for Worm That Turned and Newyorkbrad but IMHO the ArbCom Reform Party platform has promise. Some of you may recall YOLO Swag (fmrly NWA.Rep) ran last year. He was bullied and subsequently quit the project.


How many heated situations has YOLO Swag defused? I didn't like the way the Wikipedians were treating YOLO Swag last year:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=290396

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=290721

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=292787

But I don't believe that YOLO Swag would make a good Arbitrator for reasons that should be obvious. For starters, he or she doesn't handle pressure well.

The mere fact that the other ArbCom Reform party candidate Count Iblis http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates/Count_Iblis/Statement&oldid=524106193 shows that Count Iblis wouldn't be a good Arbitrator either. Count Iblis is asking people to vote along party lines instead of voting for the most skillful candidates. The ArbCom Reform party isn't offering any good candidates this year.

Posted by: Retrospect

QUOTE(Ottava @ Wed 21st November 2012, 9:04pm) *

I said should be there.

Come off it! If you're listing everyone who should be there, you could do miles better. Where are Bill Clinton, Lord Woolf and Kofi Annan? Or do you really think your lot are better than these three?

Posted by: opinionated spectator

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Fri 23rd November 2012, 10:00pm) *

QUOTE(opinionated spectator @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:07pm) *

I am leaning toward just voting for Worm That Turned and Newyorkbrad but IMHO the ArbCom Reform Party platform has promise. Some of you may recall YOLO Swag (fmrly NWA.Rep) ran last year. He was bullied and subsequently quit the project.


How many heated situations has YOLO Swag defused? I didn't like the way the Wikipedians were treating YOLO Swag last year:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=290396

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=290721

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?act=findpost&pid=292787

But I don't believe that YOLO Swag would make a good Arbitrator for reasons that should be obvious. For starters, he or she doesn't handle pressure well.

The mere fact that the other ArbCom Reform party candidate Count Iblis http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Candidates/Count_Iblis/Statement&oldid=524106193 shows that Count Iblis wouldn't be a good Arbitrator either. Count Iblis is asking people to vote along party lines instead of voting for the most skillful candidates. The ArbCom Reform party isn't offering any good candidates this year.


I concur. He won't get elected, but while reading the answers of the questions he replied so far, it's surprisingly well and valid. The other red flag with the other ArbCom Reform Party candidate Count Iblis is he or she has not answered any of the questions. In fact, he has not even made one single edit since making his candidate statement.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012/Header&diff=525046199&oldid=524986404

The voting has begun.

Posted by: Tarc

QUOTE(opinionated spectator @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:07pm) *

IMHO the ArbCom Reform Party platform has promise.


Lol what? The "party" comprised of the "Fae is my martyred hero, and by the way why can't the Crisco article talk about fisting" Wiki-faction?

A bunch of riff-raff, nothing more.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Tarc @ Wed 28th November 2012, 8:57am) *

QUOTE(opinionated spectator @ Wed 21st November 2012, 3:07pm) *

IMHO the ArbCom Reform Party platform has promise.


Lol what? The "party" comprised of the "Fae is my martyred hero, and by the way why can't the Crisco article talk about fisting" Wiki-faction?

A bunch of riff-raff, nothing more.



Doesn't the idea of a "party" violate the canvassing rules anyway? It is rather obvious that there is a large group of people who are coordinated and working on many various issues in the same way for one political objective. Even if you say that they aren't directly coordinating, they are sure following each other and jumping in.

Posted by: opinionated spectator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User_talk:YOLO_Swag/Userpage_proposal Here we go again!

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(opinionated spectator @ Sat 8th December 2012, 9:23pm) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User_talk:YOLO_Swag/Userpage_proposal Here we go again!



Weird. Just weird.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Watchlist-details&diff=527362586&oldid=525032938

The voting ends today.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Mon 10th December 2012, 10:46am) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Watchlist-details&diff=527362586&oldid=525032938

The voting ends today.



But in the end, does it really matter? It will just be more people who are there without any real reason running a community of people with no purpose editing an encyclopedia and playing the same old games as before. The problem is not who is in charge but the lack of a clear ethical standard based on what it means to be working on an encyclopedia.

As long as people are anonymous, children are favored over academics, and friendship takes priority over common sense, Wikipedia will always be a disaster.

Posted by: Ottava

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?

Posted by: The Joy

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


I know you and Geogre (T-C-L-K-R-D) were not the best of friends, but I find his 2008 view of Wikipedia insightful and prophetic.

QUOTE

Well, Wikipedia, as a corporate entity of users, has worked consistently to establish hierarchies. The people who volunteer there find the idea that no one is in charge intolerable. They really hate it, and each thinks that, since no one is in charge (except Jimbo), he or she should be in charge. When Wikipedia died, it did not do so because it got too large, but rather because it got too small. Power developed, and people selected themselves for it. They wanted, desperately, passionately, to know where they stood in the ranks. They wanted to know who was above them and who below, and they wanted to know what it meant. It was important for each and every one of them, and therefore all of them had a seriously vested interest in making sure that there was a single point of power above them all, a CEO.

Source: http://litgeek-rambles.blogspot.com/2008/03/corrupt-entitled-overlords-of-american.html


The Arbcom election does seem detrimental to Wikipedia's initial message of being a flat hierarchy with an egalitarian society. People wanting power (for good or ill, real or illusory) in a society that supposedly is all equal. All the titles of "administrator, bureaucrat, arbitrator, steward, etc." contradicts the flat hierarchy model. Yet, Wikipedians are confusing by demanding more power to the community and also pushing more and more cases and responsibilities to ArbCom. It's either complete anarchy or a social and technocratic oligarchy.

I would say it is screwed, if not because it's a schizophrenic community that does not know what it wants. ArbCom is constantly attacked by both extremes and endures overload and burnout. It can't win.

Edit: Change George to Geogre. Sorry, George! Thanks, Ottava!

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(The Joy @ Thu 13th December 2012, 9:51pm) *

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


I know you and George (T-C-L-K-R-D) were not the best of friends, but I find his 2008 view of Wikipedia insightful and prophetic.


I wasn't "friends" with Geogre (different spelling) mostly because he used socks and admin buddies to try an intimidate me into not improving the horrible Jonathan Swift articles because he decided to own them even though he lacked any formal studies in the matter while my graduate studies mentor was one of the premiere experts on Swift (and he, along with two others, wrote in letters to the Foundation stating that I was, indeed, correct on one of the key disputes whereas he really didn't know what he was talking about). He didn't like what I did with the Drapier's Letters page.

He was one of the worst offenders and surrounded himself with others who used socks to get ahead or to cause a lot of damage (Jack Merridew, SDJ).


Geogre was the worst of what Wikipedia has to offer - amateur child who has absolutely no background in a topic area yet takes over, relies on socks and abuse, and pushes whatever horrible, stupid view he can while abusing experts. If you look at the ArbCom-l leaks, you will see that the "G word" is dreaded in coming up because he was the exemplar of everything that was wrong with Wikipedia. His blog is filled with really stupid political ideology combined with baseless thought that makes it appear that he was a Philosophy 101 drop out who felt that he suddenly knew everything because he could drop a few names (while mangling anything the individual had to contribute).

The fact that he is still blogging only verifies that the trouble maker is still roaming around on Wikipedia, probably under a sock puppet name that is know by Giano, Bishonen, et al. Hey Giano, why did you ever team up with that imposter? You never once disowned him or admitted that he was a sorry excuse for a Wikipedian. I know you still read this site.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(Ottava @ Thu 13th December 2012, 6:26pm) *

Any predictions beyond Wikipedia is totally screwed?


Here's something of a prediction based on the opinions offered by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_Arbitration_Committee_Elections_2012_voter_guides:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ACE2012_table_2.png

Posted by: Retrospect

QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 14th December 2012, 3:21am) *

one of the premiere experts on Swift

laugh.gif

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012#Results

The results are in. Newyorkbrad and David Fuchs are reelected. Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren will return to ArbCom in January 2013. NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Timotheus Canens, and Salvio giuliano are also elected.

Elen of the Roads and Jclemens fail in their bid for reelection. Elen's defeat can be blamed on her role in the recent leak, while Jclemens would've probably still had lost even if the leak hadn't occurred.

Posted by: Ottava

QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 18th December 2012, 2:36pm) *

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012#Results

The results are in. Newyorkbrad and David Fuchs are reelected. Former Arbitrators Carcharoth and Coren will return to ArbCom in January 2013. NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Timotheus Canens, and Salvio giuliano are also elected.

Elen of the Roads and Jclemens fail in their bid for reelection. Elen's defeat can be blamed on her role in the recent leak, while Jclemens would've probably still had lost even if the leak hadn't occurred.



NuclearWarfare replaces Elen and everything else is pretty much status quo.

I don't think Elen's defeat can be blamed on anything - she did rather well and only lost out because there were so many candidates.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

QUOTE(Ottava @ Tue 18th December 2012, 3:32pm) *

I don't think Elen's defeat can be blamed on anything - she did rather well and only lost out because there were so many candidates.


Yes, Elen would've probably had been reelected if a couple of the top nine candidates didn't run in the election, but I still believe that the leak was a major deciding factor in the election. Look at how the leak affected some of the voter guides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Casliber/ACE2012&diff=525488040&oldid=524175326 (Casliber -- from "unequivocal support" to "equivocal support")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ealdgyth/2012_Arb_Election_votes&diff=525143735&oldid=525067308 (Ealdgyth -- from "support" to "neutral with caveat")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Elonka/ACE2012&diff=525081685&oldid=524894478, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Elonka/ACE2012&diff=525374260&oldid=525357624 (Elonka -- from "support" to "undecided" to "strong oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Hahc21/ArbCom_2012&diff=526891741&oldid=524368885 (Hahc21 -- "I still support her bid after the big email leak disaster.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AHeimstern%2FACE2012&diff=525649315&oldid=524916366 (Heimstern -- from "wait and see" to "neutral")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Malerooster/ACE2012&diff=525207421&oldid=525194777 (Malerooster -- "oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Reaper_Eternal/Election_thoughts&diff=525002230&oldid=524977901 (Reaper_Eternal -- from "support" to "oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Rschen7754/ACE2012&diff=524909269&oldid=524874776, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ARschen7754%2FACE2012&diff=524912815&oldid=524910136 (Rschen7754 -- from "support" to "HOLD" to "very strong oppose")

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wizardman/ACE2012&diff=524943065&oldid=524909565, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Wizardman/ACE2012&diff=525035845&oldid=524943065 (Wizardman -- from "support" to "undecided" to "oppose")

Elen also had relatively few "no votes". Only Newyorkbrad has fewer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2012#Results

I believe that this means that the vast majority of voters decided to "take a side" instead of being wishy-washy. What made them take a side instead of being wishy-washy? I believe that the leak was the cause. In my opinion, Elen would've had fifty to a hundred more "no votes" if the leak hadn't occurred.

Posted by: Ottava

I don't understand the not taking a side when it is possible for you to vote for more than 10 candidates.

If they wanted a more realistic system, they should have it as a "vote for up to ____" number of people.

Posted by: Michaeldsuarez

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=529129365&oldid=529128964:

QUOTE
Having determined that they met all the criteria for appointment, including having already identified to the Foundation, and in accordance with our longstanding traditions and their performance in the election campaign, I hereby appoint Newyorkbrad, NuclearWarfare, Worm That Turned, Carcharoth, Timotheus Canens, Coren, Salvio giuliano, and David Fuchs to two-year terms beginning January 1st, 2013.


The results are now official, but more importantly, Mr. Wales has something special planned for January 2013:

QUOTE
This is the moment when I normally post a bit of a "state of the union" address to the new ArbCom and to the community, but as of two days ago I came down with an awful cold and I'm not really in a position to write up my full thoughts right now. (It's really important and I want to get it just right.)

In short, I'm planning in January to submit to the community for a full project-wide vote a new charter further transitioning my powers. Because the changes I hope to make are substantial, I will seek endorsement from the wider community. (There are powers which I theoretically hold, but can't practically use without causing a lot of drama, but it is increasingly clear to me that we need those powers to be usable, which means transitioning them into a community-based model of constitutional change. One good example of this is the ongoing admin-appointment situation... a problem which I think most people agree needs to be solved, but for which our usual processes have proven ineffective for change. Some have asked me to simply use my reserve powers to appoint a bunch of admins - but I've declined on the view that this would cause a useless fight. Much better will be for us to put my traditional powers on a community-based footing so that we, as a community, can get out of "corner solutions" that aren't working for us. More to come in January.

Posted by: Detective

QUOTE
There are powers which I theoretically hold, but can't practically use without causing a lot of drama

When has drama ever stopped anyone from doing things on Wikipedia? They thrive on it there.

I must admit, I have no idea what (if anything) Jimbo means. If he's suggesting that he gives ArbCom or some new body powers to appoint admins without an RfA, that would certainly cause drama.

Posted by: Retrospect

The more power Jimbo gives the shitheads, the worse things will get. Let him keep as much power as he can.