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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Sun 26th June 2011, 5:02pm) 
For openers, do you have anything juicy on the topic of Slim's socking, either Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash? Or on banal "Whole Foods Market"-style genre of monikers she invents?
No mention of Sweet Blue Water or Sunsplash or anything about SlimVirgin socking that isn't about defending her from accusations (in 2007) or her kvetching about being falsely accused. From kirill.lokshin at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 15:35:52 2007 From: kirill.lokshin at gmail.com (Kirill Lokshin) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Arbcom-l] Query regarding sockpuppeting admin In-Reply-To: <20070403131241.TCUY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> References: <20070403131241.TCUY17393.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <3f797b9a0704030835j5ca4e1f0r5ac709adf9af28ae@mail.gmail.com> On 4/3/07, charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com <charles.r.matthews at ntlworld.com> wrote: > Steve Dunlop wrote > > > I have left notes explaining the situation and the arbcom's position on > > it on Henrygb's talk page and on AN/I. > > You left out the bit we discussed most, which was that there was absolutely no urgency to do anything here. > > I deprecate this strongly. The statement contains assertions of _fact_ on sockpuppetry. This is a most unfortunate form of phrasing. Maybe it was the girlfriend's account. But in any case this seems to go way beyond what we had agreed to do. > > So, you have probably run a good editor off the site, now. When I suggested that we might be asking Henrygb to hand in the mop, I meant that. This is (otherwise) someone we should be happy to have editing. > > I think it is extremely important that we handle these matters in a collegiate way. I think it's also important to avoid having our hands tied because someone won't cooperate. Henrygb has been given ample opportunity to provide some explanation or comment on the sockpuppetry charge; instead, he's decided to accuse us of being part of some shadowy SlimVirgin Atrribution conspiracy (all while studiously avoiding saying anything -- anything at all -- as to the charge itself). The fact that he won't discuss the issue with us should be a point against him, not a free ticket out of being sanctioned for what appears -- barring any explanation from him -- as quite inexcusable behavior. In any case, I'll point out that it was Henrygb who insisted on having everything done in public. Given his demands that we conduct all discussion on his talk page, posting the charges on AN/I is quite fair game, I think. Kirill QUOTE
I am curious about any emails relating to the identity of Iridescent.
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I'd be interested in stuff about me. I was on the very edge of the M4th/GJP et al stuff and went and knocked on the arb-wiki's door when that was going on (which must have left log-footprints). They have a fix in for me and I'd like to see the *real* reasons. * nyupat means to volunteer for execution, and they have an article on puputan: * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puputan:: damn; I thought this was going to go in the ask the leaker thread; mebbe someone wil move it --Jack This post has been edited by Jack Merridew: |
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I'd be interested to know the gory details of Ottava's wrangles with the Big Bad Arbs. Also anything about Sandy Georgia.
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What do I want? There's nothing in this stuff that I would call "compelling" or even "unexpected".
I'd like to see the entire gang of prevaricating, butt-sniffing, backpedalling fools on Arbcom
resign en masse. Especially Coren, Risker, Wjbscribe, Davies, ShellKinney, and Xeno, and with
special contempt for NYB. If you want "disputes" to be "resolved", the last person you want is
a corporate attorney whose career depends on his ability to obfuscate and delay.
They have done a fine job of turning a "dispute-resolution group" into a Wikilawyering tag-team.
Curse them, over and over.
That's all I want. Not much to ask.
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Malice,
Thank you muchly for the dish on Ottava the Odious. Greatly appreciated.
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QUOTE(The Joy @ Mon 27th June 2011, 9:00pm)
I posted this in another thread, but that post got lost.
Anything about Poetlister/Quillercouch during:
September 5-15, 2008?
October 24, 2010?
I second that. This is crucial to understanding the other two threads I have been banging on about. Possibly before that, as FT2 issued a report in August 2008. The people involved (not all of them Arbcom) were Sam Korn (=Smoddy), James Forrester, Jpgordon, Kirill Lokshin (overview), Sam Blacketer at enwiki arbcom or ex-arbs. Checkusers/crats Thatcher, Jayvdb, Rlevse and WJBscribe. Checkuser Aphaia. Stewards Spacebirdy to the extent needed to justify a cross wiki checkuser, Lar to the extent needed to endorse that we must handled it privately if it comes up on-wiki, Dungodung to the point of agreement to review, and Cary, Jimmy Wales and Jay Walsh at Office. Oh yes and Coren http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...4&oldid=1173766 naturally. Goodness and our friend Lar as well http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...t&oldid=1181370 who mentions the famous email (presumably that one, anyway). QUOTE :I meant to add that I think FT2 has done a fairly reasonable job in not rushing to judgment and presenting the facts in a manner that doesn't pillory anyone, and allows the individual to just go away. http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...5&oldid=1168873Like approaching the HR department of the sockpuppet's firm? Does this just allow the individual to go away? (Cary Bass, unlike Jimbo, did acknowledge seeing the 13 Sep email). This post has been edited by Peter Damian: |
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QUOTE(Jack Merridew @ Mon 27th June 2011, 8:19am)
damn; I thought this was going to go in the ask the leaker thread; mebbe someone wil move it --Jack
→ thanks for the move… Jack |
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Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.
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QUOTE(Wikipeek @ Tue 28th June 2011, 8:20pm)
Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.
It does. Just make an account when on vacation or a friend's computer or just a different browser and operating system, and wait three months before using it at home. Also, I'd like to see some leaks regarding how they handle pedophiles. One that comes to mind is Thesevenseas - how exactly does ArbCom figure these things out, and how fast does it take for the block? Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos? This post has been edited by melloden: |
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QUOTE(melloden @ Wed 29th June 2011, 1:38am) QUOTE(Wikipeek @ Tue 28th June 2011, 8:20pm)
Anything useful in functionaries-en to avoid CU? Always wondered if CU reveals account creation IP. Some of my socks with 0 edits were catched.
It does. Just make an account when on vacation or a friend's computer or just a different browser and operating system, and wait three months before using it at home. Also, I'd like to see some leaks regarding how they handle pedophiles. One that comes to mind is Thesevenseas - how exactly does ArbCom figure these things out, and how fast does it take for the block? Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos? Also, anything about Cirt or Mattisse? |
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QUOTE There are aspect to Casliber's resignation and John Vandenberg's
resignation that were not made public. There were aspects to Kirill's
resignation last year, and also Coren's resignation, that were not
made public. If these "aspects" are along the lines of BlackmailedArb's, say no more. If, on the other hand, there is a pattern of the Committee whitewashing the incompetence or misconduct of fellow arbs, that is by far the information I'm most interested in seeing leaked. |
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QUOTE(melloden @ Tue 28th June 2011, 9:38pm)
Edit: Oops, I just saw this was leaked earlier. Anything else on dealing with pedos?
...offer them jobs at WMF? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif) |
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QUOTE(SpiderAndWeb @ Wed 29th June 2011, 4:10am) QUOTE There are aspect to Casliber's resignation and John Vandenberg's
resignation that were not made public. There were aspects to Kirill's
resignation last year, and also Coren's resignation, that were not
made public. If these "aspects" are along the lines of BlackmailedArb's, say no more. If, on the other hand, there is a pattern of the Committee whitewashing the incompetence or misconduct of fellow arbs, that is by far the information I'm most interested in seeing leaked. Not sure if these were already leaked, but can someone either point me to the relevant leak thread or give me a tl;dr summary on this? |
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To echo some earlier requests, I would be interested in seeing any discussion related to the oft-discussed Haiduc. And Shankbone, just for laughs. On an unrelated topic, an Arb emailed me on 6 July 2010 to warn me off taking action against an IP who was editing on Wikipedia talk:Child protection (found now in this archive). Although I was fairly sure at that time that it was Benjiboi (who at that point wasn't yet banned, although some of his socks had been blocked without linking them to his account) and said as much, I was told that a checkuser had been run by one of the Arbs and this was not the case. There is now no doubt that it was Benjiboi, so I am very curious about the discussion which took place at that time given that I was told " ...the Committtee is well aware of the situation, even before you posted, and one of the members of the Committee did a comprehensive range check on the user...". The IP in question was 71.139.2.170 and any discussion would have occurred in the first week of July 2010. |
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I'd be interested in any mails relating to my cases before ArbComm and subsequent enforcement and clarification/amendment actions.
There is one particular matter which I do understand was discussed, Fritzpoll offered (more than once, actually) to mentor me, the first time was before his election as an arbitrator, the second time was after that election. Did any correspondence about this show up on the list?
(Fritzpoll had strong intentions of reform, but gave up rather rapidly with no public fuss. What happened?)
My sock, EnergyNeutral, was recently blocked by Coren as a checkuser block. How did Coren come to check this account, which wasn't being disruptive (though the Cold fusion topic ban was being violated), EnergyNeutral was making useful edits, accepted by consensus, and, though one editor obviously had a suspicion that EN wasn't a "new editor," no SSP report was filed.
Any mention of this?
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I'd also be interested to know if the voluminous archives have anything on the egregious Off2riorob. What a knob.
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QUOTE(RMHED @ Wed 29th June 2011, 3:49pm)
Dear Malice,
Could you please stop, as I'm bored now.
Arbcom exposes are so yesterday.
Irony or not, I disagree. Arbcom is like so many human institutions. It feels no pain, it does not age, it cannot be killed by any reasonable means. The members are replaced but the thing continues. All that is left for such a thing is embarassment. Which it does "feel" in a palid sort of way. Just like City Hall. So continue with the only weapon that has any effect. Just for the Hell of It, since the thing is evil. You might not be able to kill it, but doing anything else would be to assent to It's actions. |
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QUOTE(Peter Damian @ Thu 30th June 2011, 2:27pm) I can now confirm that the entire Anvil email was published on the Arb mailing list some time in February 2010 - at the latest early March, and that there was correspondence about it. Also, FT2 is supposed to have mailed the list saying that the publication of the mail would put the committee in harm, that his tactics were necessary to help the project.
It would be very interesting to see that correspondence. Of course, we could judge what FT2 is supposed to have said if we could see that mail. For this purpose, it is not necessary to know if the information in the mail, nor the mail, is "authentic." (I have no idea what the "Anvil" mail is. But with this comment from Peter Damian, no lightweight, he, I do want to see it!) |
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QUOTE(Rhindle @ Thu 30th June 2011, 12:59pm)
The only thing that would interest me is if there were any cases where Jimbo played a major part or which arbs(past or present) are silent publicly but are very vocal behind the scenes. The former should be fairly easy to ascertain, the latter would take more time and don't know if I'm THAT interested in digging into but perhaps someone else might be.
I was involved in numerous Arb Events back in the day, and I'm sure there must be a back-story which might be entertaining. For starters, this thread demonstrates that at least one arb (Iridescent) was fully cognizant of the whole racket being run by SlimVirgin and Will Beback, along with handmaidens such as Georgewilliamherbert. I am curious about any secret correspendence at the time of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Nobs01 and others (T-H-L-K-D), where I was placed on indefinite probation for the crime of suggesting that other respondents were being sanctioned in an inequitable manner. Here we see a Raul654 baleeting that embarrassing revelation. Slim 'n' Will managed, through adroit gaming of the system, to parlay that into a series of blocks, setting the stage for my eventual Community Ban by a community comprised of Will and JoshuaZ. So, any incriminating chatter from that period? |
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I'd like to see what they have been saying in the past few days about these leaks. It would be interesting to know how worried they are.
Of course you may feel that letting them know whether or not you still have access to these files may give away too much.
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Further to a question I asked at the ArbCom page, do you have any records of discussions outside of the topics already requested or otherwise released - especially any that you anticipated would be considered interesting? Are you interested in commenting on what proportion of the material you obtained has been made available? I quite understand why you might ignore this request, of course. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif) |
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QUOTE(MaliceAforethought @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 12:54am)
Amorrow: Going to burn in a special level of hell stalker "I'm going to kill you and rape your kids" type. WMF does nothing. Nuff said.
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QUOTE(Herschelkrustofsky @ Thu 30th June 2011, 2:20pm) I was involved in numerous Arb Events back in the day, and I'm sure there must be a back-story which might be entertaining. For starters, this thread demonstrates that at least one arb (Iridescent) was fully cognizant of the whole racket being run by SlimVirgin and Will Beback, along with handmaidens such as Georgewilliamherbert. I am curious about any secret correspendence at the time of Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Nobs01 and others (T-H-L-K-D), where I was placed on indefinite probation for the crime of suggesting that other respondents were being sanctioned in an inequitable manner. Here we see a Raul654 baleeting that embarrassing revelation. Slim 'n' Will managed, through adroit gaming of the system, to parlay that into a series of blocks, setting the stage for my eventual Community Ban by a community comprised of Will and JoshuaZ. So, any incriminating chatter from that period? Thanks, Mal. However, Kelly Martin, who was in a position to know, says the really good stuff would be found in 2006. |
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QUOTE(melloden @ Sun 3rd July 2011, 9:50am)
Malice, anything in the archives that might embarass the WMF? Arbcom seems to be blaming them for lack of adequate mailing list technology, perhaps someone should send them a wakeup call?
I think that will come in time. When/if a whiff of this gets into the press (Cade Metz is probably interested) they'll scramble like roaches. There's already a smorgasbord of material to embarrass them by association. And another request for Malice Cooper. The Runtshit vandal holds the record for malicious death threat vandalism against a single editor. The primary identity of Runtshit isn't a secret. Were any steps ever taken to address Runtshit? This post has been edited by Sololol: |
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