Bishonen and Giano FARs Options

[Ottava]

This has been a problem I've seen brought up for many years. One of the things about FA is that they give certain people a wonderful defense. Two, Bishonen and Giano, have been going off of theirs for a very long time. When the pages are properly put to FAR, they throw a fit. One of the reason why there are so many horrible FAs is exactly what this individual matter can exemplify.

This current FAR is a latest example. Last time, they tried to destroy Mattisse for pointing out that the Emperor lacks clothes. Now, they just say "everything is good".

Just look, every paragraph has major problems:

Original research: "with the baseless suggestion sometimes made that he had been studying architecture in France (stated as fact in the Dictionary of National Biography)"

Essay: "Downes' example of one sugar baker's house in Liverpool, estimated to bring in £40,000 a year in trade from Barbados, throws a new light on Vanbrugh's social background, one rather different from the picture of a backstreet Chester sweetshop as painted by Leigh Hunt in 1840 and reflected in many later accounts."

Pure high school paper bs: "Vanbrugh is remembered throughout Britain, by inns, street names, a university college (York) and schools named in his honour, but one only has to wander through London, or the English country-side dotted with their innumerable country houses, to see the ever present influence of his architecture."

Horribly unencyclopedic exaggerations: "With the completion of Castle Howard English baroque came into fashion overnight."

Wonderfully vague: "Vanbrugh's reputation still suffers from accusations of extravagance, impracticability and a bombastic imposition of his own will on his clients."

Unfounded generalizations: "As was common in the 18th century, personal comfort was sacrificed to perspective. Windows were to adorn the facades, as well as light the interior."

Inability to cite direct quotes properly (along with horrible unencyclopedic POV): "Unsurprisingly under these circumstances, Vanbrugh's management of the Queen's Theatre in Haymarket showed "numerous signs of confusion, inefficiency, missed opportunities, and bad judgment" (Milhous)"

Most of the sources (when used, which is almost never) are old and outdated, obscure, or not really credible.

Hell, there are five major sources that should be included just to have real scholarship: 1. Gerald Berkowitz Sir John Vanbrugh and the End of Restoration Comedy (1981) 2. Susan Owen A companion to Restoration drama (2001) 3. Arthur Huseboe Sir John Vanbrugh (1976) 4. Deborah Fisk Cambridge Companion to English Restoration Theatre (2000) 5. Bernard Harris Sir John Vanbrugh (1967)


Does anyone have the balls to call them on it? No. Mattisse was partly destroyed by them over her mentioning the obvious. Even when Sandy Georgia was emailed about some of the majorly obvious OR and pure bs in the Legacy section, she didn't correct her claim asking for specifics. It is obvious that people want to have FA standards no longer apply to a select privileged few.

[Peter Damian]

"and jarred conservative opinions on the subject." Right there in the introduction: 'to jar' used in the sense of disagree or clash, is not a transitive verb.

Some of Ottava's criticisms are reasonable. (It pains me to say that).

[Ottava]

Here's a winner , that lovely bit of OR at the end ("but one only has to wander through London, or the English country-side dotted with their innumerable country houses, to see the influence of his architecture") is so unbelievably made up that they had to fake the reference: as seen here with a source not even really talking about Vanbrugh and actually provides people who did influence the architecture that wasn't him.

His importance was almost nil when it came to buildings. Disgusting.

Oh, and Sandy, a non FAR delegate is trying to help her buddy Bishonen out by claiming it is now closed. Not only are they defending a page with shitty writing, blatantly OR, and blatantly wrong claims, but they are trying to get around the process to do so.

Where are the blocks?

[Moulton]

Where are the blocks?

Had you been there to indict them, you'd have been blocked.

The reason there are no blocks is because you are not there to blow the whistle.

[Giano]

Where are the blocks?

Had you been there to indict them, you'd have been blocked.

The reason there are no blocks is because you are not there to blow the whistle.

SandyGeorgia has been put in her place. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=369248525 (She didn't like it that she can't close FARs, poor soul.)

Repairing the damage http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=369251381 She realized she overstepped as one of the "overheated editors", the primary one, IMO.

Chrisoff?... Why Mattisse darling, I had no idea you had returned to us. How are the grandchildren - still editing away? Pity poor Granny cannot - Never mind at least you can try to settle old scores here. Perhaps you and Ottava could start a romance - let's face it, no one else is going to swallow either of your venom - so you may as well turn it to good use. Sweet dreams.

Giacomo

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[Ottava]

Chrisoff?... Why Mattisse darling, I had no idea you had returned to us. How are the grandchildren - still editing away? Pity poor Granny cannot - Never mind at least you can try to settle old scores here. Perhaps you and Ottava could start a romance - let's face it, no one else is going to swallow either of your venom - so you may as well turn it to good use. Sweet dreams.

Giacomo

Giano, the only venom there is by your buddies. The same venom that forced it through FAC without an honest review to begin with. It literally has 5th grade book report language. You still didn't remove the shitty use of "one". You don't address the reader in an encyclopedic page!!! How do you not understand that?

Furthermore, the attack on the DNB without -any- honest source is disgusting. You took fringe views, ignored more than 50% of the scholarship on the matter, and put in childish phrasing.

Fix your damn page and stop abusing honest reviewers! You are making yourself look shameful and ignorant as you continue to not fix that page. It is shit. Go fix it.

[Giano]

Chrisoff?... Why Mattisse darling, I had no idea you had returned to us. How are the grandchildren - still editing away? Pity poor Granny cannot - Never mind at least you can try to settle old scores here. Perhaps you and Ottava could start a romance - let's face it, no one else is going to swallow either of your venom - so you may as well turn it to good use. Sweet dreams.

Giacomo

Giano, the only venom there is by your buddies. The same venom that forced it through FAC without an honest review to begin with. It literally has 5th grade book report language. You still didn't remove the shitty use of "one". You don't address the reader in an encyclopedic page!!! How do you not understand that?

Furthermore, the attack on the DNB without -any- honest source is disgusting. You took fringe views, ignored more than 50% of the scholarship on the matter, and put in childish phrasing.

Fix your damn page and stop abusing honest reviewers! You are making yourself look shameful and ignorant as you continue to not fix that page. It is shit. Go fix it.

Oh Ottava, you really are a ranting prat! You are just sick and green because you cannot edit. I sympathise, but you and Mattisse (unlike many of the others here) really have no one to blame but yourselves for your sad predicament. Neither of you were victims of admin abuse or even general hatred - people just became sick and tired of the pair of you banging on thinking that you were both better and cleverer than all the others - that really does get up people's noses far more than arguing on policy pages etc. You both might like to consider that if you are ever permitted to return.

Giacomo

[Ottava]

Oh Ottava, you really are a ranting prat! You are just sick and green because you cannot edit.

Giacomo

Is that so?

I guess you didn't see: Kubla Khan or Ode: Intimations of Immortality.

That is in addition to Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.

3 hefty and extremely important pages.

But Giano, I do thank you for removing one of the most atrocious lines from that page. It wasn't that hard, was it?