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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Wed 30th December 2009, 5:19pm) 
That is one sparse and harsh looking site. All those red, black and white blocks. It screams Nazism.
The second paragraph here arguably contradicts itself. The gutter press offer a few stale anecdotes about the founders of the up-and-coming marching care-bear project. I will say the name is goofier than anything Sanger could have come up with. When I saw it my first thought was "some kind of computer game". After Sid Meier complains, Jimbo and Andrea will adopt a familiar *ci → *e syllable shift, mark my words. |
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Wed 30th December 2009, 12:36pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Wed 30th December 2009, 6:16pm) Is that their solution to the civility problem? Dinner and a movie, then maybe back to the condo for let's-just-see-how-it-goes? That's not "civility," that's "nookie." Two different things. Worked for John and Yoko. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) No it didn't... Besides, what John and Yoko were trying to do was a form of passive protest against a war, using their notoriety to draw attention to a problem. What Jimbo and Andrea are trying to do, assuming this isn't all just a big joke, is direct exploitation of an ongoing problem, using their notoriety to, in effect, gain more notoriety. (The fact that they will fail miserably notwithstanding.) Another thing that's interesting about this is that the Wikia site currently has no links whatsoever back to civilination.org. Not one! Even the Aweckerle user page doesn't have one. However, it does say "Hi, I am Andrea, the founder of CiviliNation." Presumably if this takes off, Andrea and Jimbo will have a long, drawn-out argument over whether or not Jimbo is actually the founder. But the ultimate hypocrisy, of course, is the "Support/Donate" page, which states: QUOTE By making a donation today, you are supporting CiviliNation’s efforts to create an online culture in which individuals can fully engage and contribute without fear or threat of being the target of unwarranted abuse, harassment, or lies. In other words, Jimbo has set up a super-popular means for the rest of the world to heap abuse, harassment and lies on you, and now you can give money to Jimbo and his girlfriend so that they can talk about how awful this is, on another site that nobody ever reads!And check out the logo: I mean, at this point they really are just laughing their asses off at the rest of us. You'd think they could just go to a comedy club, or maybe read a funny book or go to a funny movie, but noooo - they have to do this.Frankly, these people are hypocritical scum of the worst kind, and it's about time people who really care about "civility" did something to stop them. |
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In case my comment on the Reg article gets moderated out of existence (though I don't see why it would, given what the other commenters are saying): QUOTE The sheer, unbridled arrogance, hypocrisy, narcissism, and utter lack of self-awareness being displayed by Mr. Wales and Ms. Weckerle here are... well, totally predictable and par for the course, actually! The thing is, on Wikipedia, accusing someone else of failing to be civil is, itself, considered a "civility violation." Wikipedia doesn't have a civil or civilized community, what they have is enforced civility, and the people enforcing it are usually 15-year-olds who are given ban-buttons and precious little else with which to do it. Meanwhile, the current motto on Ms. Weckerle's personal blog is "Attack life, wait for nothing." Yeah, that sounds really civil to me, too. |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Wed 30th December 2009, 2:19pm)
It's pretty clear to me after reading the Reg article that Jimmy created this to bitch about Valleywag, the Reg, and this site. It amuses me that he thinks of himself as the victim here.
I agree - Valleywag is clearly the main target, and WR is probably just a sideswipe (or "afterthought," or whatever the word is, I'm sure you get the general idea). I mean, right now, if you type " Jimbo Wales is an idiot" into Google, we're not even on the first page, whereas if you type in " Jimbo Wales Andrea Weckerle," our thread on the Valleywag article is #2 and the Valleywag article itself is #4. (In both cases the Jimmy Wales WP article is #1, of course, but Jimbo's not the sort to be satisfied with personal control over the #1 result, is he?) Appropriately enough, the Jimmy Wales' Other Other Women article, featuring Ms. Weckerle and the presumably wealthier, and more Canadian Louise Blouin MacBain, appeared on Valleywag exactly a year ago. (Civilination.org was registered on Aug. 24, 2009, using DomainsByProxy - which, I suppose, means they agree with the rest of us that the need for accountability ends just before the point where you're targeted with massive amounts of domain-registrar spam.) I'm proud of the fact that we're still the #1 result for " jimbo wales hypocrite," at least. I guess they just wanted to throw us a bone. |
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QUOTE(Krimpet @ Wed 30th December 2009, 11:44pm) Jimbo and his beau (Jimbo & Jimbeau?) don't seem to realize that simply being "civil" means very little. You can maintain a cheery, polite façade in every word you write, carefully crafting your remarks to avoid insult or vitriol, while still being diabolical and manipulative. It's the attitude behind the words that actually counts. It takes all kinds, and I'd personally prefer dealing with a blunt and honest person to a civil yet slippery one. Jimmy's entire approach to life relies on manipulating people while maintaining a cheery, polite facade. Wikipedia, which is crafted in his image, does not tolerate blunt honesty any more than he does. |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 31st December 2009, 9:53am) The CiviliNation wiki, hosted (with advertising that I doubt goes into the pending 501-c-3) on Wikia, Inc. servers, just got a little bit more accurate. Hmm... that's odd... QUOTE Your user name or IP address has been blocked.
The block was made by Angela.
* Reason given: Kohs trolling
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Angela, you are a worthless coward. Happy new year to you and that weasel you work with at Wikia. I would encourage anyone in the world to help keep the following content inserted in cybercivility.wikia.com: QUOTE In October 2006, Jimmy Wales publicly [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wikipedia Review&diff=prev&oldid=79585610 announced] that the Wikipedia Review approach to Wikipedia (an approach that Wales himself, six weeks earlier, had helped to shape) was “deeply unethical and inappropriateâ€, and he [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=Arch+Coal&year=2006&month=10&tagfilter= deleted] the Wikipedia article about Arch Coal that Wikipedia Review had authored and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Editing_with_a_conflict_of_interest&diff=prev&oldid=79593222 mentioned] online. Even though it wasn’t written for payment, and the Arch Coal company wasn’t even aware of the article, Wales mistakenly assumed it was paid content and thusly labeled it “corporate spamâ€. Then he indefinitely [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=User%3AWikipedia Review&year=2006&month=10&tagfilter= blocked] the Wikipedia Review user account on Wikipedia, so that it could not edit any more. Some hours later, Wales returned to Wikipedia to further blast the article about Arch Coal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2006_October_5&diff=prev&oldid=79737021 calling it] a “travesty of NPOV [neutral point of view]†and “corporate fluffâ€. Wales also went to the blocked Wikipedia Review User page on Wikipedia and wrote a screed against the business there: "hiring Wikipedia Review... is counterproductive and unethical". One of his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_M_Dodge/Outreach minions] then put the polemic in white lettering on a black background, just to make it stand out more.
It took Wales over two years to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AArch_Coal&diff=258731121&oldid=224255965 finally apologize] for how he acted and how poorly he handled the situation. Now Wales is admonishing others, through CiviliNation, to be nice to others on the Internet. Do as I say, not as I do, we suppose. This post has been edited by thekohser: |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Thu 31st December 2009, 10:12pm) Angela, you are a worthless coward. Happy new year to you and that weasel you work with at Wikia. And you're a brave one, you are, Gregg-O. (Nope, sorry, I won't touch this. Just ignore the whole thing. I suspect that this wiki will die out from lack of interest. The juice-drinkers don't want "civility", they want to have power.....to abuse others with no consequences. This wiki would accomplish nothing for them--it won't even give them that bizarre wiki editing high.) The more of this shit I see, the more I think Jimbo's got some kid of evil brain power that allows him to glamour people, and enslave them (or at least make them stalk him). Like a vampire. Or better, like Rachel on Misfits. Now, if only Jimbo would fall off a roof. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) This post has been edited by EricBarbour: |
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They're calling in reinforcements at Wikia's CiviliNation. Looks like there were a lot of new accounts made today -- none of those I'll quote here were mine, by the way. QUOTE # 14:07, January 1, 2010 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Angela loves the taste of a good dick (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎
# 14:06, January 1, 2010 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! This user creation interface is crammed with squares and rectangles (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎
# 14:05, January 1, 2010 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Jimmy and his gold-plated washing machine (Talk | contribs) New user account ‎
# 14:03, January 1, 2010 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Angela likes big thangs in the mouth (Talk | contribs) New user account What a shame, that a site intended to stamp out meanies on the Internet would attract so many meanies! |
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QUOTE(Krimpet @ Wed 30th December 2009, 9:44pm)
Jimbo and his beau (Jimbo & Jimbeau?) don't seem to realize that simply being "civil" means very little. You can maintain a cheery, polite façade in every word you write, carefully crafting your remarks to avoid insult or vitriol, while still being diabolical and manipulative. It's the attitude behind the words that actually counts. It takes all kinds, and I'd personally prefer dealing with a blunt and honest person to a civil yet slippery one.
i would hope to deal with humans who are civil, polite, respectful, honest, and considerate... or at least try to do all those things... rather than just one who mindlessly follows policies, avoids being "a d----", avoids legal threats, ignores all rules, and bla bla bla bla bla. but the world ain't a perfect one, so oh well. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) <3 |
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QUOTE(Krimpet @ Thu 31st December 2009, 6:44am)
Jimbo and his beau (Jimbo & Jimbeau?) don't seem to realize that simply being "civil" means very little. You can maintain a cheery, polite façade in every word you write, carefully crafting your remarks to avoid insult or vitriol, while still being diabolical and manipulative. It's the attitude behind the words that actually counts. It takes all kinds, and I'd personally prefer dealing with a blunt and honest person to a civil yet slippery one.
First of all, we can easily police name-calling and profanity--we really can't police slick manipulation. Secondly, even a slick manipulator contributes to a calm and peaceful atmosphere by refraining from angry outbursts when under stress. At the end of the day, you can maintain a community even when a lot of polite manipulation occurs, but you can't maintain a community when people are screaming at each other all the time. Real life is no different. |
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QUOTE(everyking @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 1:38pm) First of all, we can easily police name-calling and profanity--we really can't police slick manipulation. Secondly, even a slick manipulator contributes to a calm and peaceful atmosphere by refraining from angry outbursts when under stress. At the end of the day, you can maintain a community even when a lot of polite manipulation occurs, but you can't maintain a community when people are screaming at each other all the time. Real life is no different. This is all wrong, EK. First, we've all seen on Wikipedia, and with other dysfunctional communities (including families), that if you impose artificial civility requirements, people will simply redefine the terms involved - so that comments which would be seen as harmless by anyone else become "personal attacks" within the dysfunctional community. Second, this is clearly "all or nothing" thinking. Adjusting the civility requirements to be more in line with real-world term definitions won't result in "people are screaming at each other all the time," it will result in people using easily-recognized conflict words some of the time, hopefully when the situation actually calls for it. What you have now is a situation where people who have been fully inculcated into the cult community have one standard, and people who haven't been inculcated have another, and the former group uses their higher standard as a cudgel against the latter group. This is how cults should work, and do work - but not encyclopedias. Third, what does the phrase "maintain the community" really mean? Presumably it means the three basic tasks of keeping people around, bringing new people in, and getting rid of undesirables. Artificial civility rules don't do a very good job of any of those things - they represent short-term, limited thinking, the idea that if WP'ers are forced to be nice to people on the surface, they'll stick around long enough to allow themselves to be indoctrinated, and/or addicted. That isn't going to work forever, assuming it ever did. Besides, WP's focus has always been on bringing more people in, often at the expense of the other two things. There's no fourth thing, but that's only because I have to go and do something non-internet-related now. |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 1:59pm) Artificial civility rules don't do a very good job of any of those things - they represent short-term, limited thinking, the idea that if WP'ers are forced to be nice to people on the surface, they'll stick around long enough to allow themselves to be indoctrinated, and/or addicted. That isn't going to work forever, assuming it ever did. Besides, WP's focus has always been on bringing more people in, often at the expense of the other two things. And that's the real point of the civility rules: don't scare off the recruits until you've got them addicted. The problem that Wikipedia needs to get past, in this area at least, is that quantity is no substitute for quality. But Wikipedia's leadership is not interested in quality, and so nothing will be done. |
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The more of this shit I see, the more I think Jimbo's got some kid of evil brain power
that allows him to glamour people, and enslave them (or at least make them stalk him).
Like a vampire. ...
Jimbo is a stud. I can only hope to become half the godking he is. QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 2:59pm)
First, we've all seen on Wikipedia, and with other dysfunctional communities (including families), that if you impose artificial civility requirements, people will simply redefine the terms involved - so that comments which would be seen as harmless by anyone else become "personal attacks" within the dysfunctional community.
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QUOTE(bambi @ Wed 30th December 2009, 9:22am) While my story of incivility remains held for moderation, to his credit I did get email from Jimbo this morning asking me to forward him the email I referenced in my comment. I did so, and am hopeful of hearing back from him about it. In the meantime, here's what I submitted: QUOTE(me) It’s ironic that Jimbo Wales, co-founder of Wikipedia, would be on the board of this group, considering Wikipedia is one of the most hostile online environments I’ve encountered.
Here’s my story.
I discovered that a former journalist was violating multiple Wikipedia policies in the course of dramatically skewing articles relating to a specific form of stock market fraud. Basically, he was trying to cover the crime up. I blogged about what I had found, and one day, discovered a Wikipedia article about me had been created. It’s sources were comprised of nothing but this former journalist and his friends. The article was grossly slanted.
Recently, I’ve come to possess a series of private email exchanges in which this article is discussed. The person who created it admits that he did it to harm me. He was proud of that fact.
Jimbo Wales was on that email list, but did nothing.
Fortunately, the article was eventually removed, no thanks to Mr. Wales.
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QUOTE(RDH(Ghost In The Machine) @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 6:35pm)
So this is Whimbo's answer to incivility-the creation of virtual "gated communities" where a faux facade of civility is selectively enforced.
I personally would rather live in Bartertown than in his pathetic attempt to create a Galttown online.
Really Jimmy, please clean up the dump in your own yard before trying to tell others how to keep theirs!
interesting you point this out... one thing that really i wonder about is /culture/.... maybe this is their norm.... maybe this is what they are used to... what a shame to be reared that way though, maybe. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) hrphh.. ... maybe all that /is/ culturally /acceptable/ to them... maybe that is what they are used to and they don't know any better.... but ya... if it is culture, or even if it is not.. then it is sort of like a /gated/ community as you say.... and perhaps there is a faux facade... i dunno. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/hrmph.gif) hrrph. |
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QUOTE(dtobias @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 8:09pm) Only two comments have actually been approved, one from somebody named Jimmy who's openly gay and has been gay-bashed (obviously not Wales, since his known sleeping-around has been purely heterosexual), and somebody named Linda praising the WSJ article. It's odd, because Ms. Weckerle doesn't moderate the comments on her personal site, though she claims to do so. This is currently what's on her Policy Page: QUOTE - Feel free to post your thoughts and feedback. You may question or debate this blog’s content or comments, but be civil and productive in doing so.
- Use your real name. This blog’s posts are written under a real name, and commenters are expected to provide their real names as well.
- Anonymous comments won’t be accepted.
- Comments that contain insults, rude or offensive or abusive language, threats, or are personal attacks on someone’s character, are not permitted. This is a moderated site and comments that fall outside these parameters will not be published.
- Anyone who violates this Comments Policy may be blocked from future commenting on this blog.
This page is itself a blog entry, so people are allowed to comment on it. Here's the sole comment for the "Policy" entry, dated May 11, 2009: QUOTE(fattUtews @ May 11, 2009 at 4:58 pm) I have just found this great forum with the subject on the organic farming. http://www.organic-farming.orgGreat ways to eat only good and healthy food. To prepere yourself for upcoming years of hunger. http://www.organic-farming.orgThere are arround 1000 members and 10000 of threads for you to read and participate in most likely one of the biggest problems on earth! http://www.organic-farming.orgAdmittedly, WR's own blog isn't maintained as well as it should be, but at least we took the trouble to install Akismet? Compared to spam, incivility is a trifling problem on the internets, and you'll find very few people willing to argue against that assertion. |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 5:56am) QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 7:23pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 1st January 2010, 6:12am) Angela, you are a worthless coward. Happy new year to you and that weasel you work with at Wikia. Greg, this kind of comment is uncalled for. I think you should apologize to her. She's neither worthless or a coward. Why do you come to her defense? I am willing to discuss her removal of my freely-licensed content from the website where my contribution was expressly requested. I will discuss it on Wikia, or on Wikipedia Review. Where is she? This site can't be taken seriously if the things people say here are wrong. Angela is no coward and she's not worthless. You're wrong, Greg, and your comments were uncalled for. She didn't do anything to merit that type of nastiness. You should apologize to her. |
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QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 12:23pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 5:56am) QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sat 2nd January 2010, 7:23pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 1st January 2010, 6:12am) Angela, you are a worthless coward. Happy new year to you and that weasel you work with at Wikia. I am sorry for saying that about you, Angela. It was an overreaction to your deleting something that I had spent considerable time working on. Your repeated removal of legitimate content on a website that requested just these types of contributions strikes me as a somewhat cowardly action by an otherwise delightful person. Happy new year to you, and good luck working with Jimmy Wales, even though I have found him to exhibit behaviors that place him in the realm of "the weasel" on the animal personality test. Greg, this kind of comment is uncalled for. I think you should apologize to her. She's neither worthless or a coward. Why do you come to her defense? I am willing to discuss her removal of my freely-licensed content from the website where my contribution was expressly requested. I will discuss it on Wikia, or on Wikipedia Review. Where is she? This site can't be taken seriously if the things people say here are wrong. Angela is no coward and she's not worthless. You're wrong, Greg, and your comments were uncalled for. She didn't do anything to merit that type of nastiness. You should apologize to her. There, how's that? |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 6:27pm) QUOTE(TungstenCarbide @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 11:23am) This site can't be taken seriously if the things people say here are wrong. Angela is no coward and she's not worthless. Angela Beesley is a courageous warrior for the cause of freedom (assuming that by "freedom," we mean the freedom of websites all over the world to operate without the participation of Gregory Kohs). Of course, I should note that back in 2001, Bill Maher got fired from ABC for saying that it "took a lot of guts" for the 9/11 terrorists to fly airplanes into skyscrapers, and that this was said in response to people who referred to the terrorists as "cowards." I'm a coward too, but at least I admit it! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) I used to be a coward too, and eager to please, and overly nice. But forty years of abuse and harassment fixed me right up. Hey look, I have no problem with two skunks getting into a pissing match - it's a recreation I partake of myself on occasion. But meeting Angela's finger wagging with a sledge hammer doesn't do this site or Kohs' cause any favors. QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 6:33pm) There, how's that?
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Since our two-cents-worth doesn't seem to be registering with either CiviliNation.org's message board, or with the corresponding Wikia wiki, I decided to make my two-cents-worth financial contribution to CiviliNation, via PayPal.
I phoned up the contact number that appeared in the PayPal receipt. It went to voicemail, saying, "I'm not available to take your call at this time", then the automated prompt noted, "This user's mailbox is full. No messages may be left at this time". I tried one more time to call, and I got a female who answered, "Hello?" I asked, "Hello, is this CiviliNation?"
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I'm glad my $0.02 is going to such a good cause!
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I phoned up the contact number that appeared in the PayPal receipt. It went to voicemail, saying, "I'm not available to take your call at this time", then the automated prompt noted, "This user's mailbox is full. No messages may be left at this time". I tried one more time to call, and I got a female who answered, "Hello?" I asked, "Hello, is this CiviliNation?"
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 8:51pm)
Since our two-cents-worth doesn't seem to be registering with either CiviliNation.org's message board, or with the corresponding Wikia wiki, I decided to make my two-cents-worth financial contribution to CiviliNation, via PayPal.
I phoned up the contact number that appeared in the PayPal receipt. It went to voicemail, saying, "I'm not available to take your call at this time", then the automated prompt noted, "This user's mailbox is full. No messages may be left at this time". I tried one more time to call, and I got a female who answered, "Hello?" I asked, "Hello, is this CiviliNation?"
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Jimbo and his beau (Jimbo & Jimbeau?) don't seem to realize that simply being "civil" means very little. You can maintain a cheery, polite façade in every word you write, carefully crafting your remarks to avoid insult or vitriol, while still being diabolical and manipulative. It's the attitude behind the words that actually counts. It takes all kinds, and I'd personally prefer dealing with a blunt and honest person to a civil yet slippery one.
As evidence for which, consider your average American courtroom, where civility is enforced in a completely totalitarian style, without any of the usual regard for individual rights. And yet where truth and justice are often still among the first victims. Strangely, civility per se is rather over-rated as a method for guaranteeing that you'll approach these things. But the law does accomplish some things, no? Well, keeping in mind all the known failures of modern jurisprudence, remove the successes also. It's Wikipedia, after all. So, you may keep the image of a courtroom with its enforced civility and a judge tribunal, BUT.... your judges are now pimplefaced-gameboys. The lawyers, too. Mostly anonymous ones. There is no appellate. Remove all semblance of due process, and forget you ever heard of stare decisis. Had enough? Wait till you see what happens to expert testimony.... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) Mock Moot Milton |
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And another thing. I was looking over Andrea Weckerle's tweets just now, and at some point during the summer, she seems to have completely shifted gears, switching from a high degree of interest in chemical food additives, free-range chickens, childhood obesity, and so on, to cyberstalking and cybercivility. I think it must have happened in the late-August, early-September timeframe. There's something fishy about this - the unwanted attention from Valleywag might explain her interest in "cybercivility," but that was over a year ago. It doesn't explain her almost-complete abandonment of health- and food-related issues, late last summer - it makes me wonder if her law firm either lost or gained a client in the food industry. It's not the money, it's the recipes... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif) |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 10:32pm) I was looking over Andrea Weckerle's tweets just now, and at some point during the summer, she seems to have completely shifted gears, switching from a high degree of interest in chemical food additives, free-range chickens, childhood obesity, and so on, to cyberstalking and cybercivility. There's something fishy about this - the unwanted attention from Valleywag might explain her interest in "cybercivility," but that was over a year ago. It doesn't explain her almost-complete abandonment of health- and food-related issues, late last summer - it makes me wonder if her law firm either lost or gained a client in the food industry. She would not be the first attorney to use her blog to troll for business. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/evilgrin.gif) |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 4:51pm)
I'll admit we've already discussed this whole silly business to death, but I just checked, and apparently both "civilinternet.org" and "civilplanet.org" are available domain names. Why not go with one of those, instead of "civilination.org," a not-so-clever pun on "civilization"? Are Andrea and Jimbo being US-centric in some way by deriving from the word "nation"?
I think it's short for CiviliNationalSockalistThey probably had a contest to see if anybody could come up with a dumber name than Citizendium and more insulting than the qui-vive “Are You A Citizen?â€. I suspect they are probably looking into the market for Pseudo-Class Pseudo-Action Pseudo-Suits on behalf of Pseudo-Defamed Pseudo-Nymphs. Jon (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/dry.gif) |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 4th January 2010, 6:32am) And another thing. I was looking over Andrea Weckerle's tweets just now, and at some point during the summer, she seems to have completely shifted gears, switching from a high degree of interest in chemical food additives, free-range chickens, childhood obesity, and so on, to cyberstalking and cybercivility. I think it must have happened in the late-August, early-September timeframe. There's something fishy about this - the unwanted attention from Valleywag might explain her interest in "cybercivility," but that was over a year ago. It doesn't explain her almost-complete abandonment of health- and food-related issues, late last summer - it makes me wonder if her law firm either lost or gained a client in the food industry. It's not the money, it's the recipes... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif) This is kind of interesting. While on a camping trip last summer with his daughter, Jimmy filmed this 'Fun video "endorsement"' for ITK Raw Energy Bars. ITK is a company that was co-founded by Andrea along with nutritionist Lisa Wilson in 2008. At the moment, it seems to have little presence outside of their own website. |
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 7th January 2010, 2:09pm) ITK is a company that was co-founded by Andrea along with nutritionist Lisa Wilson in 2008. At the moment, it seems to have little presence outside of their own website. Ahh, well then - that explains it, probably. She got interested in nutrition and food additives whenshe and this other person started an energy-bar company, and when the company failed to take off, she lost interest in nutrition and food additives. Happens all the time... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/bored.gif) QUOTE(wikademia.org @ Thu 7th January 2010, 2:11pm) is it just me, or is he using child labor to produce commercials? how low will he go? Let's not jump to conclusions here - he probably just borrowed the camera. Still, I wonder how much an endorsement by Jimbo would be worth, to a typical company? $5? $10? If it were a product he might actually be expected to know about, like, say, mirrored ceiling tiles, I would think he could get something in the low three-figures, at least. |
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Thu 7th January 2010, 3:09pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 4th January 2010, 6:32am) And another thing. I was looking over Andrea Weckerle's tweets just now, and at some point during the summer, she seems to have completely shifted gears, switching from a high degree of interest in chemical food additives, free-range chickens, childhood obesity, and so on, to cyberstalking and cybercivility. I think it must have happened in the late-August, early-September timeframe. There's something fishy about this - the unwanted attention from Valleywag might explain her interest in "cybercivility," but that was over a year ago. It doesn't explain her almost-complete abandonment of health- and food-related issues, late last summer - it makes me wonder if her law firm either lost or gained a client in the food industry. It's not the money, it's the recipes... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/confused.gif) This is kind of interesting. While on a camping trip last summer with his daughter, Jimmy filmed this 'Fun video "endorsement"' for ITK Raw Energy Bars. ITK is a company that was co-founded by Andrea along with nutritionist Lisa Wilson in 2008. At the moment, it seems to have little presence outside of their own website. Boy, does he sound whipped or what? Raw food is a harsh and trendy cuisine cut off from all traditional vegetarian cuisines. These traditional cuisines take hundreds or even thousands of years to develop. The application of heat to food to make it more attractive is up there with language as milestone for our species. Ignoring this does fit in with the Wikipedian "let us remake everything as we go along" without due consideration of what has come before. Very much in line with the cult of the amateur. |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 8:00pm) QUOTE(MBisanz @ Sun 3rd January 2010, 4:55pm)
Please tell me you at least first tried a reverse whitepages on it...
I didn't, but now I just did. It resolves to an unlisted Richmond, VA cellular number. Andrea Weckerle's biography: QUOTE Prior to joining Livingston Communications, Weckerle owned her own boutique communications agency and also worked in management and legal consulting positions with Ernst & Young, LLP. She has a Masters in Conflict Analysis & Resolution/ PR from George Mason University and a Juris Doctor from the University of Richmond's T.C. Williams School of Law. Looks like Ms. Weckerle might be BLP-worthy, or at least BLP-Stub worthy. There are six listings under "Published work" in Jimbo's bio on Wikipedia that list her as a co-author, all dating since 2008-12-31. Now if that isn't a reliable source, I don't know what is! This post has been edited by Greaser: |
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Fri 8th January 2010, 12:35pm)
Boy, does he sound whipped or what? Raw food is a harsh and trendy cuisine cut off from all traditional vegetarian cuisines. These traditional cuisines take hundreds or even thousands of years to develop. The application of heat to food to make it more attractive is up there with language as milestone for our species. Ignoring this does fit in with the Wikipedian "let us remake everything as we go along" without due consideration of what has come before. Very much in line with the cult of the amateur.
Oh, boy, how true that is. Humans have been using fire for so long we have odd genes and behaviors that keep us close to it. Have you ever considered how weird it is that people sit around a fire, mesmerized by it, for hours? I think that's because our bored ancestors who yawned and went out into the darkness left fewer offspring. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) I thought about that this year as I spent New Year's night on a tropical beach in a little Caribbean country, doing a conga line around a bonfire. It's even more-so when it comes to cooking, which kills all kinds of parasites and bursts vegetable cell walls to release all kinds of other nutrients that your digestive tract (which can't get through cellulose) would otherwise be denied. People who didn't like the taste of cooked food apparently left fewer ancestors as well. What is the taste of cooked food? Well, that bottled smoke in a bottle they use for barbecue sauce. General browning and glazing and all the surface stuff produced by grilling and broiling, from meat to toast. The smell of cigarette and cigar smoke (which may actually contribute to tobacco addition). By the time this stuff gives you cancer, you've reproduced already, so the selective pressures are all acting in your early life where you need the nutrients and not the parasites. Thinking about it, I'm shocked at how many ways we've found to sneak the taste of burned wood into things, from smoked meats to burned wood casks for wine to charcoal filtering for whisky to the smoke that turns barley to malt for beer (just about any alcoholic beverage which isn't transparent has been smoked or "cooked" in some way-- I drank rum around that bonfire). We retain those backyard barbecues alongside our microwave ovens for a reason! Interestingly, domesticated dogs have been with us around the fire for some many thousand years that THEY have developed a taste for cooked food, too. Cats haven't, yet. They're newer companions and this is another way they show it. Interesting, eh? MR |
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 8th January 2010, 3:28pm) Interestingly, domesticated dogs have been with us around the fire for some many thousand years that THEY have developed a taste for cooked food, too. Cats haven't, yet. They're newer companions and this is another way they show it. Also reflects the different roles of dogs versus cats as companion animals. Dogs are used as utility animals, in many different ways: protection, assistance in hunting, and transportation are just some of these. However, we do not generally use dogs for their ability to catch and eat vermin, and (with a few exceptions) dogs are not very good at this. Cats, on the other hand, until very recently were employed almost exclusively for the purpose of catching vermin. Altering the dietary preference of the cat would have reduced its utility as a companion animal; the same is not true of dogs. |
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QUOTE(Kelly Martin @ Fri 8th January 2010, 4:05pm)
Also reflects the different roles of dogs versus cats as companion animals. Dogs are used as utility animals, in many different ways: protection, assistance in hunting, and transportation are just some of these. However, we do not generally use dogs for their ability to catch and eat vermin, and (with a few exceptions) dogs are not very good at this. Cats, on the other hand, until very recently were employed almost exclusively for the purpose of catching vermin. Altering the dietary preference of the cat would have reduced its utility as a companion animal; the same is not true of dogs.
Moles are one of those exceptions. Both cats and dogs will ruthlessly hunt and kill moles, but will not eat them. Both will also leave the kill on your stoop in a "Look at what I did, Mom and Dad!" kind of gesture. Little showoffs. (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Well, after a visit to the local health-food store, I think I see the problem. A box of 25 "GoRaw" Spirulina energy bars, sold by market-leading Freeland Foods, costs $53.80, and a 25-bar variety "kit" only costs $45.75. Meanwhile, a box of only 15 ITK Original Raw Energy Bars costs a whopping $59.55, and you can't buy them one-at-a-time, either. Moreover, the GoRaw bars are 1.7 ounces each, whereas the ITK bars are only 1.5 ounces. So, obviously they've priced themselves out of the market from the get-go, right in the midst of a recessionary economy - hardly the way to get your product off the ground, I'm afraid. In Marketing 101, you learn that new food products must compete on price if they're to have any chance of significant retail penetration. Still, I'm sure they're very tasty if you eat them in person... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Sat 9th January 2010, 12:41am) Well, after a visit to the local health-food store, I think I see the problem. A box of 25 "GoRaw" Spirulina energy bars, sold by market-leading Freeland Foods, costs $53.80, and a 25-bar variety "kit" only costs $45.75. Meanwhile, a box of only 15 ITK Original Raw Energy Bars costs a whopping $59.55, and you can't buy them one-at-a-time, either. Moreover, the GoRaw bars are 1.7 ounces each, whereas the ITK bars are only 1.5 ounces. So, obviously they've priced themselves out of the market from the get-go, right in the midst of a recessionary economy - hardly the way to get your product off the ground, I'm afraid. In Marketing 101, you learn that new food products must compete on price if they're to have any chance of significant retail penetration. Still, I'm sure they're very tasty if you eat them in person... (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) It is a strange market though. Some people seem pleased to pay much more money for items that perform worse (in taste, appearance etc.) Crapiness and sacrifice are more important than even the integrity of the ingredients and preparation processes, even when measured by their own flaky standards. Asceticism is part of the appeal, I suppose. I hope Mr Wales enjoys the life style. |
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Looks like CiviliNation has posted another comment on its "Tell us your stories" page, bringing the grand total after about 4 weeks from two, up to three. QUOTE Patrick Ross, January 6, 2010
It was great to learn about this site as a result of the recent op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, the message of which I fully support. I’ve included a link to the article in the Resources section of icivility.com, a web site dedicated to improving online discourse. We appear to have very similar missions, although icivility.com operates without funding from any foundations, corporations or individuals.
Good luck, and may we all make an impact!
CiviliNation is now catapulting up the Alexa rankings -- holding the coveted 2,577,283rd most-popular spot on the Internet! This post has been edited by thekohser: |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 11th January 2010, 10:50am) CiviliNation is now catapulting up the Alexa rankings -- holding the coveted 2,577,283rd most-popular spot on the Internet! I especially liked this quote from iCivility.com, though: QUOTE Patrick Ross is a personal project of his and is not in any way connected with any professional or other association he may have. I think it's important that you always treat yourself as a "personal project" of... yourself, and not try to "connect" it with anything else that may be going on in your life. Helps prevent unnecessary confusion! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif) Meanwhile, we should all nominate each other for Profiles in Civility. I'll nominate Victim of Censorship, of course, so that someone else can nominate Ottava and RHMED. (I'd suggest GlassBeadGame too, but since he's a moderator, he's probably too obvious.) |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 11th January 2010, 7:11pm)
someone else can nominate Ottava and RHMED.
Err ... if you mean people who post on your excellent, well-run site, there's no such poster as RHMED. There is of course one called RMHED ... http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=11716Not that I care one way or the other of course, but some people might. |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Wed 30th December 2009, 5:06pm) I agree - Valleywag is clearly the main target, and WR is probably just a sideswipe (or "afterthought," or whatever the word is, I'm sure you get the general idea). I mean, right now, if you type "Jimbo Wales is an idiot" into Google, we're not even on the first page, whereas if you type in "Jimbo Wales Andrea Weckerle," our thread on the Valleywag article is #2 and the Valleywag article itself is #4. (In both cases the Jimmy Wales WP article is #1, of course, but Jimbo's not the sort to be satisfied with personal control over the #1 result, is he?)
Appropriately enough, the Jimmy Wales' Other Other Women article, featuring Ms. Weckerle and the presumably wealthier, and more Canadian Louise Blouin MacBain, appeared on Valleywag exactly a year ago. (Civilination.org was registered on Aug. 24, 2009, using DomainsByProxy - which, I suppose, means they agree with the rest of us that the need for accountability ends just before the point where you're targeted with massive amounts of domain-registrar spam.)
I'm proud of the fact that we're still the #1 result for "jimbo wales hypocrite," at least. I guess they just wanted to throw us a bone. It looks like Louise Blouin has at least enough interest remaining in Jimbo to invite him to her annual Brain Ball. Seems nobody cared to pose for the camera next to "Internet entrepreneur Jimmy Wales", though. |
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Mon 27th September 2010, 1:23pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Wed 30th December 2009, 5:06pm) I agree - Valleywag is clearly the main target, and WR is probably just a sideswipe (or "afterthought," or whatever the word is, I'm sure you get the general idea). I mean, right now, if you type "Jimbo Wales is an idiot" into Google, we're not even on the first page, whereas if you type in "Jimbo Wales Andrea Weckerle," our thread on the Valleywag article is #2 and the Valleywag article itself is #4. (In both cases the Jimmy Wales WP article is #1, of course, but Jimbo's not the sort to be satisfied with personal control over the #1 result, is he?)
Appropriately enough, the Jimmy Wales' Other Other Women article, featuring Ms. Weckerle and the presumably wealthier, and more Canadian Louise Blouin MacBain, appeared on Valleywag exactly a year ago. (Civilination.org was registered on Aug. 24, 2009, using DomainsByProxy - which, I suppose, means they agree with the rest of us that the need for accountability ends just before the point where you're targeted with massive amounts of domain-registrar spam.)
I'm proud of the fact that we're still the #1 result for "jimbo wales hypocrite," at least. I guess they just wanted to throw us a bone. It looks like Louise Blouin has at least enough interest remaining in Jimbo to invite him to her annual Brain Ball. Seems nobody cared to pose for the camera next to "Internet entrepreneur Jimmy Wales", though. Well of course not. Inviting Mr. Wales to an event based on such criteria must be some kind of cruel joke. Nobody wants to be standing next to him when the bucket of pigs blood is dumped on his head. That stuff just doesn't come out. |
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QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 27th September 2010, 4:20pm) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Mon 27th September 2010, 2:53pm) 5 down from his picture, is that also him standing against the wall being pretty much the only person not talking to someone else? I don't think so... that's probably just one of the "security people." Not that I care, but what's the deal with Jimbo and lapels? Does he have some sort of psychological aversion to them, or does he think he's starting his own fashion trend by wearing jackets without lapels? A nod to Mao and Dr. Evil, perhaps? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) |
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QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Mon 27th September 2010, 10:28pm) QUOTE(Somey @ Mon 27th September 2010, 4:20pm) QUOTE(SB_Johnny @ Mon 27th September 2010, 2:53pm) 5 down from his picture, is that also him standing against the wall being pretty much the only person not talking to someone else? I don't think so... that's probably just one of the "security people." Not that I care, but what's the deal with Jimbo and lapels? Does he have some sort of psychological aversion to them, or does he think he's starting his own fashion trend by wearing jackets without lapels? A nod to Mao and Dr. Evil, perhaps? (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) The photographer seems to have captured him in a homage to Shankbone pose. |
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