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13-year-old's vanity music video garners BLP, MUSICBIO trumps BLP1E and common sense
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"The other song was about adult love – I haven't experienced that yet," racey 13 year old Rebecca Black is quoted as saying for the reason she chose the song "Friday", scoring a phenomenal 44 references, and a longer topic page than Alessandro Scarlatti (no references naturally), apparently being notable for the Youtube song with the most mocking comments or something. In fact, she score more highly than ALL the Scarlattis put together (... one reference).
And for the rest of time, Rebecca will be recorded by the ordure that is Jimmy Wales onanistic organ as being "worst song ever", "bizarre," "inept," "hilariously dreadful" and "YouTube laughing stock." Of course, its not a BLP laying the boot into a 13 year old girl ... it's a topic about a "notable" song, even though Black is reported as saying that "those hurtful comments really shocked her" and that she was brought to tears by comments such as "I hope you go cut [yourself] and die" or "'I hope you cut yourself, and I hope you'll get an eating disorder so you'll look pretty"; so the Wikipedia insists on telling me.
But never mind, the Wikipedia also considers it notable enough that she soon was able to ignore such comments and ask Justin Bieber (who I have no clue who he is) to do a duet ... except he has not replied yet, or perhaps he does not even know because he management team dont follow Facebook or something.
Amazingly, all this eternal notability happened in the last 10 days ... that is all it take these days to get your own Wiki-page these days ... created by someone's obvious sleeper sock "Captaincapitalism".
Surely not worthy of deletion? Boy, I just cannot wait until for the loss of virginity and ensuing decline into substance abuse happens, and are all added to the article ... shouldn't someone tell her parents where to send the lawyer's letter?
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Delete I understand that I am likely in the minority here, but I think keeping an article that is a series of criticisms regarding a child simply because it can be sourced is completely unnecessary. --Jezebel'sPonyobons mots 19:44, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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The result was speedy keep. I am pretty sure that WP:SNOW really applies here so I think it is best to close this now. (non-admin closure) Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:37, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
And, for the record, or as we say these days "for the downloadable mp3" I think it is a wonderful take on perfect plastic pop that could not have been cynically created better and Becky deserves all the success in the world. Especially when the song is covered by Bob Dylan. See Youtube for other numerous perfectly acceptable parodies.
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Keep I'm very supportive of avoiding BLP violations, especially when it's a 13-year-old, but I don't see any here. Negative unsourced additions have been repeatedly reverted, and what's left seems well sourced and accurately reflects the sources - in fact, every single statement is sourced. Sources include Time, Rolling Stone, Entertainment Weekly, New York Daily Times, Forbes. (Please also note there is also a deletion review of a related article happening at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 March 14#Rebecca Black) --
Oh, and I strongly disagree with "any other non-notable person could have replaced her and the song would have received the same attention" - it's the fact that she's such a bad singer that even auto-tune can't save it that has made it such a hit. --
Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
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Anyway, back to the issue at hand...
One of the problems with these situations is that there seems to be very little right or wrong involved when the victim is also both the perpetrator and the beneficiary. I believe some folks (on WP and elsewhere) refer to this as "being Plaxico'd," but obviously this isn't anything like the Plaxico Burress incident. Rebecca Black hasn't been arrested, nor has she seriously injured herself, at least not physically. She probably wanted to be an instant throwaway-pop star, and she seems to have achieved that. It's possible that the negative reactions from music fans will scar her psychologically, but personally I doubt it. Of course, she may never be able to achieve true privacy ever again for her entire life, but that's only a tragedy if she ultimately fails at being a pop star.
So, while I don't feel sorry for Rebecca Black, we still have to be realistic about what's really happening here. People have made Ms. Black the 13-year-old girl everyone loves to hate, for the moment at least. In effect, she now represents nearly every negative thing that 17-year-old boys think about the aesthetic sensibilities of 13-year-old-girls. This has happened before, with Britney Spears, Mandy Moore, Tiffany, Debbie Gibson... all the way back to Leslie "It's My Party" Gore and Annette Funicello. (Interestingly, they didn't seem to have so many teenage-girl pop stars in the 1970's - just teenage (or younger!) boys, like Donny Osmond and Michael Jackson. Then again, I guess there was always Marie Osmond...)
Meanwhile, the Shaggs were formed in 1968, and they were genuinely terrible:
But fans will recall that Frank Zappa loved the Shaggs, just as Simon Cowell (far less talented than Zappa, of course) seems to love Rebecca Black. It probably wasn't the Shaggs' music itself that impressed Zappa, it was what it represented. Except that when the Shaggs made Philosophy of the World, it was still pretty hard to make a record - you couldn't do it without money, and you definitely couldn't do it without leaving your bedroom. These days, it's much, much easier - you don't have to play instruments, go into a studio, or even bother with physical product. A lot of people are probably bothered by that, at least when someone actually succeeds under those circumstances.
So, all of this - the "viral video," the "meme," and now the Wikipedia article - is ultimately just a form of sour grapes, almost a kind of revenge if you will. It's part of the ongoing erosion of musical (and probably other forms of artistic) professionalism, enabled by cheap, easy-to-use technology and crowdsourced media. I doubt all that many people are happy about this, but it continues nevertheless.
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