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Another retirement, this one over the amount of trivia here.
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Hardly news, but good that people are now walking out because of it. The last comment is interesting. QUOTE Wikipedia is no longer the Wikipedia I signed up for in 2005, nor is it the Wikipedia I decided to become an administrator for in 2008. I naively expected that Wikipedia would one day become a valuable, well-respected, very useful online encyclopedia, full of notable information. I thought that the articles would be edited by people with knowledge about the subjects and who could provide quality links and references. I expected that, as the project has a worldwide audience, neutrality would be one of the highest priorities.
Well, I was wrong. The vast majority of the “information†on Wikipedia is either non-notable crap, fancruft, or other useless trivia that would never be accepted by a traditional encyclopedia. If I want to read about, for example, Star Trek, I can go to a wiki devoted to everything about the franchise, so why is that crap here? There are countless online resources for every conceivable video game, TV show, series of books, you name it. Sure, Star Trek, Warcraft, and M*A*S*H are acceptable articles, but do we really need an article for every single episode of one of the longest-running television series in American history?
Wikipedia has, over the years, become increasingly fragmented, cliquish, and intolerant. While I don’t find it surprising that a majority of Wikipedia editors identify with the left end of the political spectrum, I am somewhat dismayed at the intolerance for any other political viewpoint displayed by some. I also find that, of the active editors, an unusually large percentage identify as something other than heterosexual. While I don’t identify with those lifestyles, I have no particular enmity toward them either, so long as those lifestyles aren’t forcibly portrayed as mainstream.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:41am) Of all the things to retire over, this one is surely the silliest in my opinion. There's so much worse with Wikipedia than so-called "trivia". I suggest TravisTX gets over it.
Participation in Wikipedia = fun, useful, honorable, patriotic. Retirement from Wikipedia = silly, unfortunate, dishonorable, disloyal. Thank you, Alex. I think we've all got it now.
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:42pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:41am) Of all the things to retire over, this one is surely the silliest in my opinion. There's so much worse with Wikipedia than so-called "trivia". I suggest TravisTX gets over it.
Participation in Wikipedia = fun, useful, honorable, patriotic. Retirement from Wikipedia = silly, unfortunate, dishonorable, disloyal. Thank you, Alex. I think we've all got it now. I actually agree with Alex on this one; I think you're misreading him. The way I see it what he's trying to say is: Retirement from Wikipedia due to a culture of abuse and the unwillingness to recognize the real-life consequences of actions = reasonable Retirement from Wikipedia because it has too many articles on Star Trek and too many gay editors = not reasonable
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:58pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:42pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:41am) Of all the things to retire over, this one is surely the silliest in my opinion. There's so much worse with Wikipedia than so-called "trivia". I suggest TravisTX gets over it.
Participation in Wikipedia = fun, useful, honorable, patriotic. Retirement from Wikipedia = silly, unfortunate, dishonorable, disloyal. Thank you, Alex. I think we've all got it now. I actually agree with Alex on this one; I think you're misreading him. The way I see it what he's trying to say is: Retirement from Wikipedia due to a culture of abuse and the unwillingness to recognize the real-life consequences of actions = reasonable Retirement from Wikipedia because it has too many articles on Star Trek and too many gay editors = not reasonable Eva has it right.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 9:59am) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:58pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:42pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:41am) Of all the things to retire over, this one is surely the silliest in my opinion. There's so much worse with Wikipedia than so-called "trivia". I suggest TravisTX gets over it.
Participation in Wikipedia = fun, useful, honorable, patriotic. Retirement from Wikipedia = silly, unfortunate, dishonorable, disloyal. Thank you, Alex. I think we've all got it now. I actually agree with Alex on this one; I think you're misreading him. The way I see it what he's trying to say is: Retirement from Wikipedia due to a culture of abuse and the unwillingness to recognize the real-life consequences of actions = reasonable Retirement from Wikipedia because it has too many articles on Star Trek and too many gay editors = not reasonable Eva has it right. I'm sorry, is "too many gay editors" what TravisTX said?
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:25am) QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 9:59am) QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:58pm) QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:42pm) QUOTE(Alex @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 6:41am) Of all the things to retire over, this one is surely the silliest in my opinion. There's so much worse with Wikipedia than so-called "trivia". I suggest TravisTX gets over it.
Participation in Wikipedia = fun, useful, honorable, patriotic. Retirement from Wikipedia = silly, unfortunate, dishonorable, disloyal. Thank you, Alex. I think we've all got it now. I actually agree with Alex on this one; I think you're misreading him. The way I see it what he's trying to say is: Retirement from Wikipedia due to a culture of abuse and the unwillingness to recognize the real-life consequences of actions = reasonable Retirement from Wikipedia because it has too many articles on Star Trek and too many gay editors = not reasonable Eva has it right. I'm sorry, is "too many gay editors" what TravisTX said? It seems that the point he was clumsily trying to get at is that the gay-to-hetero ratio is higher within the wikipedia community than it is nationwide, which results (in his opinion) in a bias in articles in that subject area. Same for liberals-to-conservatives, apparently. This post has been edited by Tarc:
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QUOTE(thekohser @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 2:25pm) I'm sorry, is "too many gay editors" what TravisTX said? QUOTE I also find that, of the active editors, an unusually large percentage identify as something other than heterosexual. While I don’t identify with those lifestyles, I have no particular enmity toward them either, so long as those lifestyles aren’t forcibly portrayed as mainstream. Subtitled for the tone-impaired: The bold is said as though it is a problem, and the underlined is said as if such a thing is happening (and, of course, implicitly that it's not mainstream, which can be true or false depending on how broadly you define mainstream) This post has been edited by Random832:
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 2:59am) Anyway serious people come there look at the garbage and leave without editing.
Or journalists go there and accept what's written as fact (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif)
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 12:53am) QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:07am) I like TravisTX's line about the gay editors: "While I don’t identify with those lifestyles, I have no particular enmity toward them either, so long as those lifestyles aren’t forcibly portrayed as mainstream."
"Lifestyles??" - lol (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/rolleyes.gif) There's a flamewar right there in that term, just waiting to break out (if it hasn't already). Those dang heterosexuals and their straight lifestyles. At least he didn't stay "sexual preferences". So if I, to take one example, like to fuck girls with narrow hips and high cheekbones is that a preference, an orientation, a lifestyle or an illness (or a sin)? I'm going to ponder that one, in deep prayer.
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QUOTE(Obesity @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:09pm) So if I, to take one example, like to fuck girls with narrow hips and high cheekbones is that a preference, an orientation, a lifestyle or an illness (or a sin)?
I'm going to ponder that one, in deep prayer.
You, Mr. Fat Guy, are definitely going to hell!! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) (Bring marshmallows! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) )
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 3:15pm) QUOTE(Obesity @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:09pm) So if I, to take one example, like to fuck girls with narrow hips and high cheekbones is that a preference, an orientation, a lifestyle or an illness (or a sin)?
I'm going to ponder that one, in deep prayer.
You, Mr. Fat Guy, are definitely going to hell!! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) (Bring marshmallows! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) )s'mores or whatever they are called.
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QUOTE(Tarc @ Fri 22nd May 2009, 10:02am) It seems that the point he was clumsily trying to get at is that the gay-to-hetero ratio is higher within the wikipedia community than it is nationwide, which results (in his opinion) in a bias in articles in that subject area. I wonder how one would go about proving such an assertion? I mean, I do believe that we can say this is somewhat true, based purely on anecdotal evidence and general impressions. But if it comes down to actual statistics, I doubt you could actually prove it conclusively. Even if you could, it's still a matter of opinion as to whether "they" are doing anything objectionable. Then again, when they start forming drag-queen ABBA tribute bands, it's kind of hard to "assume good faith." QUOTE Same for liberals-to-conservatives, apparently. Well... that's just because of the younger demographic, IMO. Personally I expect that to change over time, but then again, it obviously also depends on how you define "liberal" and "conservative." Personally, I've always been of the opinion that WP attracts the extremes and the crackpots, as well as those who specialize in opposing them - and in so doing, it alienates the moderates and rationalists, sort of like the two-party system in the USA. This particular case is probably just burnout. I'm sure he's a nice guy, if you meet him in person...
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 23rd May 2009, 1:15am) You, Mr. Fat Guy, are definitely going to hell!! (IMG: smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) (Bring marshmallows! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif) )Listen, you eccentric lesbo, a true motherfuckin' Fat Man put it better than I ever could: QUOTE When I die, fuck it, I wanna go to hell Cause I'm a piece of shit, it ain't hard to fuckin' tell It don't make sense, goin' to heaven wit the goodie-goodies Dressed in white, I like black Tims and black hoodies God will probably have me on some real strict shit No sleepin' all day, no gettin my dick licked Hangin' with the goodie-goodies loungin' in paradise Fuck that shit, I wanna tote guns and shoot dice He doesn't say anything about marshmallows, but I feel empowered to extrapolate.
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