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post Fri 30th January 2009, 5:53am
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QUOTE(everyking @ Fri 30th January 2009, 1:05am) *

I think Krimpet had gotten to a point where she was contributing to Wikipedia for the wrong reasons; a quick scan of her edits for the last few months makes that pretty clear. I cannot approve of a situation where someone is devoting extensive time to naming and shaming trolls/vandals and exposing sockpuppeteers, but not actively working on the encyclopedia; it's just not healthy, not for the person and not for the encyclopedia. Furthermore, people who are considered somehow "targets" should not be the ones fighting back against the abusers, at least not in public. People who get emotionally invested in that kind of thing, for whatever reason, need to step away and if necessary ask someone else to deal with it.

Maybe that's why she left?
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 6:41am
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QUOTE(jch @ Fri 30th January 2009, 6:53am) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Fri 30th January 2009, 1:05am) *

I think Krimpet had gotten to a point where she was contributing to Wikipedia for the wrong reasons; a quick scan of her edits for the last few months makes that pretty clear. I cannot approve of a situation where someone is devoting extensive time to naming and shaming trolls/vandals and exposing sockpuppeteers, but not actively working on the encyclopedia; it's just not healthy, not for the person and not for the encyclopedia. Furthermore, people who are considered somehow "targets" should not be the ones fighting back against the abusers, at least not in public. People who get emotionally invested in that kind of thing, for whatever reason, need to step away and if necessary ask someone else to deal with it.

Maybe that's why she left?


Well, yes, I was suggesting that she had gotten herself into a situation and style of involvement that was too frustrating to sustain. Nevertheless, I don't think there's any need for her to leave; she could just change the way she involves herself in the project. Admittedly, she has gotten a lot of unwanted attention and might not want to continue in light of that, but trolls are children and will lose interest in her rapidly if she's not actively fighting them or engaging with them. I would recommend editing articles in an obscure corner of the encyclopedia and getting out of the administrative side of things entirely (while perhaps retaining the bit to deal with the occasional non-Grawp vandal). Unfortunately, most people in comparable positions don't want to be mere content editors and tend to burnout entirely rather than shift to a different mode of involvement.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 7:53am
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Yeah, I agree with everyking's assessment on this one. Definitely one of these editors who wasn't really doing much to contribute to the encyclopedia.

There are some though, that are in it for the long run. I hope that NawlinWiki never, ever gives up on Wikipedia for as long as he lives. I still hope he's doing what he does in a decade's time. His stoicism is unmatched by any other editor.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 9:05am
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QUOTE(lolwut @ Fri 30th January 2009, 7:53am) *

I hope that NawlinWiki never, ever gives up on Wikipedia for as long as he lives. I still hope he's doing what he does in a decade's time. His stoicism is unmatched by any other editor.


Are you serious? NawlinWiki is a terrible admin.

Edit: On the other hand, he does generate much unintentional lulz.

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post Fri 30th January 2009, 12:47pm
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QUOTE(Sylar @ Fri 30th January 2009, 9:05am) *

QUOTE(lolwut @ Fri 30th January 2009, 7:53am) *

I hope that NawlinWiki never, ever gives up on Wikipedia for as long as he lives. I still hope he's doing what he does in a decade's time. His stoicism is unmatched by any other editor.


Are you serious? NawlinWiki is a terrible admin.

Edit: On the other hand, he does generate much unintentional lulz.


Yeah, that's the point. NawlinWiki is one of the biggest lolcows out of any Wikipedia admins, along with others such as Jeske Couriano, but personally I find that NawlinWiki can be milked for lulz time and time again. For these two sysops, DNFTT just doesn't register with them.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 5:45pm
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 6:40pm
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QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Fri 30th January 2009, 10:45am) *

[Some less useful posts cleaned up to the tar pit]


Therefore I'll post a useful one to make up for the cleaned messages.

I never had a bad encounter with Krimpet and that puts the admin at least 10 floors above Guy and similar warlords who luckily have mostly quit by now.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 8:13pm
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QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Fri 30th January 2009, 6:40pm) *

QUOTE(UseOnceAndDestroy @ Fri 30th January 2009, 10:45am) *

[Some less useful posts cleaned up to the tar pit]


Therefore I'll post a useful one to make up for the cleaned messages.

I never had a bad encounter with Krimpet and that puts the admin at least 10 floors above Guy and similar warlords who luckily have mostly quit by now.



I have had many bad encounters with the Krimpet.

It's good he/she is leaving Wiki (assuming he/she is not lying).
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 9:31pm
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I dunno, it's people like krimpet, Sceptre and that deletionist Otterathome faggot who are fucking up the Boxxy AFD and article completely. There are plenty of sources for the article, but the BLPfags just keep bawwwwing that it's not a 'reliable source' or will make any stupid non sequitur argument they can think of just to keep another editor's work out of Wikipedia.

And who really gives a fuck about whether something is non-free content or not? Sceptre erring on the side of caution with his NFCC crap on the article's talk page is faggotry of the worst kind.


Perhaps you haven't noticed but the word "faggotry" may not have as much persuasive or rhetorical values here as on some other sites.

Perhaps! But the bottom line in all these affairs is that Jimbo is not looking after his unpaid staff. It's about time that Wikipedia got serious in its efforts to produce a worthy encyclopedia, written by worthy editors. Every Tom, Dick and Harry can enter the arena and cause chaos with the systems. I used to play poker on the internet, and had to download a special program to connect with the poker-server. And no way could I have two accounts on the same computer, so "cheating" was out the window. I have no problem with socks on Wikipedia, because all are all at it, and that's just the level playing field for everyone. "Jimbo get serious, before the house falls down on top of you. Can't you see you're losing it? Exodus!" wacko.gif
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 9:46pm
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Problematic Moieties of Behavior

Krimpet's case is as good as any to point out why a Course in Practical Ethics should be a requirement for any Admin.

On the one hand, she needed lot of cojones to go up against FeloniousMonk and his band of marauding goons from IDCab. Had WP required that all Admins pass a course in Practical Ethics, FeloniousMonk, KillerChihuahua, and the rest of their ethically challenged sycophants wouldn't have been there to raise her stress levels, consume her patience, or create the hostile conditions that breed crude trolls like Grawp.

Had there been a course in Practical Ethics for all Admins, there would have been a cadre of like-minded thinkers to help her deal with the challenging ethical conundrums that finally drew her over the fateful line.

Had there been a course in Practical Ethics for all Admins, she might have been better prepared to appreciate that publishing dox on Grawp sets a dangerous precedent that such practices are normative in WikiCulture. Of all the things one learns in Ethical Reasoning, it's the ability to put oneself in the other person's shoes. The vernacular expression is, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Here it is even more important, because any practice introduced by any Admin can thus evolve to become a normative practice in the culture.

Double standards are a corrosive practice that undermines the legitimacy of any administration, and one that inevitably breeds an eventual backlash that can blindside any administration foolish enough to entertain such a glaring imbalance in the normative standards of behavior between the empowered insiders and the disempowered outsiders.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 9:58pm
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WTFRUSayn', Moulton !?!?!?

Institutionalize a Policy like that, and the next thing you know they'll be spectin' folks to pass a course in X b4 they can write an article about X.

R U Nuts !?!?!?

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post Fri 30th January 2009, 10:04pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Fri 30th January 2009, 1:58pm) *
Institutionalize a Policy like that, and the next thing you know they'll be spectin' folks to pass a course in X b4 they can write an article about X.

Yeah! Why should people KNOW anything before they call themselves "experts"? laugh.gif
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 10:18pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 30th January 2009, 9:46pm) *

Problematic Moieties of Behavior

Krimpet's case is as good as any to point out why a Course in Practical Ethics should be a requirement for any Admin.

On the one hand, she needed lot of cojones to go up against FeloniousMonk and his band of marauding goons from IDCab. Had WP required that all Admins pass a course in Practical Ethics, FeloniousMonk, KillerChihuahua, and the rest of their ethically challenged sycophants wouldn't have been there to raise her stress levels, consume her patience, or create the hostile conditions that breed crude trolls like Grawp.

Had there been a course in Practical Ethics for all Admins, there would have been a cadre of like-minded thinkers to help her deal with the challenging ethical conundrums that finally drew her over the fateful line.

Had there been a course in Practical Ethics for all Admins, she might have been better prepared to appreciate that publishing dox on Grawp sets a dangerous precedent that such practices are normative in WikiCulture. Of all the things one learns in Ethical Reasoning, it's the ability to put oneself in the other person's shoes. The vernacular expression is, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Here it is even more important, because any practice introduced by any Admin can thus evolve to become a normative practice in the culture.

Double standards are a corrosive practice that undermines the legitimacy of any administration, and one that inevitably breeds an eventual backlash that can blindside any administration foolish enough to entertain such a glaring imbalance in the normative standards of behavior between the empowered insiders and the disempowered outsiders.


Wikipedia governance reminds me of South Side Chicago Street thugs. No rules, no ethics, just might in the fist, the ballbat, and the gun. Those that lose end up in the river.
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post Fri 30th January 2009, 11:04pm
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Wikipedia governance reminds me of South Side Chicago Street thugs. No rules, no ethics, just might in the fist, the ballbat, and the gun. Those that lose end up in the river.

Ummm. That's really 99% of any governance. Most of the improvement through history is that we have non-fixed elections of representatives, followed by a Robert's Rules of Order making of laws, with semi-due-process enforcement of same. Which-- true--Wikipedia has none of.

But remember that all goverments, even those that have later added the fancy bubbles, bangles, and beads which allow us to live in reasonable regard for how we're treated as citizens, maintain themselves as THE government of record/recognition, by simple force. There is no "ethics" in who rules a territory (what government or person or group of persons enforces rules there, and is the recognized "nation" there). Nor, I'm forced to admit, can I think of any process which would admit of any. So it's not surprising that there aren't. In that, Chicago South Side Thug rules are the only ones there are.

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Fri 30th January 2009, 11:04pm) *

QUOTE(victim of censorship @ Fri 30th January 2009, 3:18pm) *

Wikipedia governance reminds me of South Side Chicago Street thugs. No rules, no ethics, just might in the fist, the ballbat, and the gun. Those that lose end up in the river.

Ummm. That's really 99% of any governance. Most of the improvement through history is that we have non-fixed elections of representatives, followed by a Robert's Rules of Order making of laws, with semi-due-process enforcement of same. Which-- true--Wikipedia has none of.

But remember that all goverments, (sic) even those that have later added the fancy bubbles, bangles, and beads which allow us to live in reasonable regard for how we're treated as citizens, maintain themselves as THE government of record/recognition, by simple force. There is no "ethics" in who rules a territory (what government or person or group of persons enforces rules there, and is the recognized "nation" there). Nor, I'm forced to admit, can I think of any process which would admit of any. So it's not surprising that there aren't. In that, Chicago South Side Thug rules are the only ones there are.


Translation:

The gang with the most, biggest, meanest, members with the most, largest, most powerful guns, bats, chains, and clubs wins the argument or MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.

Since Wikipeida is an protected space (domain) as you will (under Sec 230) it is insulated from the real world and what it can done to the typical dewy eyed wikpeidiot, working inside the protected space.


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QUOTE(luke @ Fri 30th January 2009, 7:50am) *

I'm sure your remarks will be a comfort to Krimpet ;(







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Well, I was hoping Krimpet would show up to enlighten us, but apparently not. Hopefully she's got a new username now (maybe she probably already had a sock in place) and will edit quietly, as I suggested, forgetting about the vandal wars, sockpuppet investigations and general drama.
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The complete disappearance is an aspect of what is often called a "stealth transition". Not at all uncommon in certain demographics.
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QUOTE(everyking @ Sun 1st February 2009, 5:14am) *
(maybe she probably already had a sock in place)

That's a distinct possibility probability.

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and will edit quietly, as I suggested, forgetting about the vandal wars, sockpuppet investigations and general drama.

Will she be able to resist the temptation? I seriously doubt it. It's a question of when, not if she gets discovered doing it. Fun fun fun.
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Problematic Moieties of Behavior
Double standards are a corrosive practice that undermines the legitimacy of any administration, and one that inevitably breeds an eventual backlash that can blindside any administration foolish enough to entertain such a glaring imbalance in the normative standards of behavior between the empowered insiders and the disempowered outsiders.


You are wrong about this in Wikpedia...

You imply there are rules which are double standards. In truth, there is one rule (DARWIN) on which the biggest, meanest, most disciplined Gang of thugs win and makes the rules. (see Golden rule which is who has the GOLD (in wiki currency the TOOLS) makes the rules.
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Two words say it all:Good riddance!

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