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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:39pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:34pm) *

It's not ipso facto anything, any more than posting here is ipso facto support of WordBomb (remember those days?) I don't buy guilt by association at all, sorry.

Don't much care what you buy, Alison. I'm just stating my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:41pm
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:34pm) *


It's not ipso facto anything, any more than posting here is ipso facto support of WordBomb (remember those days?) I don't buy guilt by association at all, sorry.


If the fact in question is the communication of specific information, evidence (here admissions) of a channel of private correspondence is certainly relevant. This is not "guilt by association." It is establishing a requisite fact in a chain of reasoning.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:41pm
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QUOTE(Random832 @ Sat 7th March 2009, 9:38am) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 5:34pm) *

Indeed. It could be any of a number of other people that immediately come to mind, actually. I count four of five Chix members on WR right now, with little effort I'd also really like to know who it was who did leak that info, but he ain't tellin' dry.gif

Of those, which others took up the strange position that it is more acceptable for Proabivouac to have access to that material than it is for Kylu?

Listen to what Lara is saying. It could be any of a number of others - not even WR folks - that were silent on the matter. It's that simple. You're judging based on the one or two you see on here.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:43pm
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QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:41pm) *

QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:34pm) *


It's not ipso facto anything, any more than posting here is ipso facto support of WordBomb (remember those days?) I don't buy guilt by association at all, sorry.


If the fact in question is the communication of specific information, evidence (here admissions) of a channel of private correspondence is certainly relevant. This is not "guilt by association." It is establishing a requisite fact in a chain of reasoning.

I don't think Alison leaked it, if that what you thought I was implying. I'm fairly certain her trustworthiness is of the highest level.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:45pm
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Sat 7th March 2009, 9:43am) *

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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:34pm) *


It's not ipso facto anything, any more than posting here is ipso facto support of WordBomb (remember those days?) I don't buy guilt by association at all, sorry.


If the fact in question is the communication of specific information, evidence (here admissions) of a channel of private correspondence is certainly relevant. This is not "guilt by association." It is establishing a requisite fact in a chain of reasoning.

I don't think Alison leaked it, if that what you thought I was implying. I'm fairly certain her trustworthiness is of the highest level.

I didn't leak it. Absolutely not. And I was seriously annoyed at Proab for what he did, and told him so to his face.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 5:49pm
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:43pm) *

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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 12:34pm) *


It's not ipso facto anything, any more than posting here is ipso facto support of WordBomb (remember those days?) I don't buy guilt by association at all, sorry.


If the fact in question is the communication of specific information, evidence (here admissions) of a channel of private correspondence is certainly relevant. This is not "guilt by association." It is establishing a requisite fact in a chain of reasoning.

I don't think Alison leaked it, if that what you thought I was implying. I'm fairly certain her trustworthiness is of the highest level.


I don't know either. She is not the only person who has made such admissions. I can't agree about her "trustworthiness" if by that you mean "the ability to keep information to herself." While I might "trust" her in many ways she has a reputation for revealing information that others might have thought should be kept to herself.
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This branch of the thread has seriously drifted off, and should be moved.

With that said, it seems a bit strange that there's been little condemnation of wikileaker. S/he's probably an ex-arb who's retained CU and OS. The information s/he has access to and has leaked is arguably more sensitive.
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post Sat 7th March 2009, 7:29pm
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QUOTE(tarantino @ Sat 7th March 2009, 1:33pm) *

This branch of the thread has seriously drifted off, and should be moved.

With that said, it seems a bit strange that there's been little condemnation of wikileaker. S/he's probably an ex-arb who's retained CU and OS. The information s/he has access to and has leaked is arguably more sensitive.

I guess some of us aren't as worried about ArbCom's dirty little secrets getting released as we are about people's personal docs being dropped along with other such sensitive information that causes real world damage.

And wasn't it already established that Wikileaker screws around with information, so it's not in its original form, or was that someone else that took Arb comments from the list regarding Majorly and tweaked them to be harsher than they were?
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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 5:41pm) *

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QUOTE(Alison @ Sat 7th March 2009, 5:34pm) *

Indeed. It could be any of a number of other people that immediately come to mind, actually. I count four of five Chix members on WR right now, with little effort I'd also really like to know who it was who did leak that info, but he ain't tellin' dry.gif

Of those, which others took up the strange position that it is more acceptable for Proabivouac to have access to that material than it is for Kylu?

Listen to what Lara is saying. It could be any of a number of others - not even WR folks - that were silent on the matter. It's that simple. You're judging based on the one or two you see on here.


Are you saying I said that, Random, because I don't think that I would say that exactly, and I'm not sure what context that was in. What I can say is that I've never leaked anything off wikichix, and I've sworn to them that I haven't, however I've heard that several people are leaking info from there. I don't know who those people are, and that action is not condoned by me.

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QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Sun 8th March 2009, 12:01am) *

Are you saying I said that, Random, because I don't think that I would say that exactly, and I'm not sure what context that was in. What I can say is that I've never leaked anything off wikichix, and I've sworn to them that I haven't, however I've heard that several people are leaking info from there. I don't know who those people are, and that action is not condoned by me.


All I'm saying is you didn't seem particularly concerned about it at the time, contrasted with the kind of crap you were saying about Kylu being on the list. You even made jokes about it (at Kylu's expense, no less).
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QUOTE(Random832 @ Sun 8th March 2009, 12:27am) *

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Are you saying I said that, Random, because I don't think that I would say that exactly, and I'm not sure what context that was in. What I can say is that I've never leaked anything off wikichix, and I've sworn to them that I haven't, however I've heard that several people are leaking info from there. I don't know who those people are, and that action is not condoned by me.


All I'm saying is you didn't seem particularly concerned about it at the time, contrasted with the kind of crap you were saying about Kylu being on the list. You even made jokes about it (at Kylu's expense, no less).


I am totally concerned about it and I said so on wikichix itself. I do feel ambiguous about the Kylu situ. in as much as it's sort of a grey area and people were misled to an extent. But no-one's had a problem with Kylu on the list so it doesn't really matter. My concerns and joke about the Kylu situation only highlight how strongly I would feel about someone who is a self-identified man viewing women's private conversation (even though we can't keep it private and he probably didn't even have to view it directly himself.)

But on the other hand, Proab is sort of a friend. Some people support their friend no matter what they are like. I like to think that unlike some people I wouldn't go that far, but in such a way, I will be light hearted with a friend about some of his traits, but on the list I made it clear I wasn't happy about stuff being leaked. Plus- P. need not even have done anything himself- someone might be volunteering info to him if you see what I mean.

I suppose also, I'm not surprised some stuff was leaked from wikichix, so I can't get quite as worked up about it. But the list makes a big thing about not letting men on, you need to swear you are a woman to get on, so when I found out a bloke who to give a theoretical example might be referred to for instance as "Bob" (short for Robert) in his 9-5 job or whatever was allowed on there it seemed a bit wrong for a moment.

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QUOTE(Random832 @ Sun 8th March 2009, 12:27am) *

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Are you saying I said that, Random, because I don't think that I would say that exactly, and I'm not sure what context that was in. What I can say is that I've never leaked anything off wikichix, and I've sworn to them that I haven't, however I've heard that several people are leaking info from there. I don't know who those people are, and that action is not condoned by me.

All I'm saying is you didn't seem particularly concerned about it at the time, contrasted with the kind of crap you were saying about Kylu being on the list. You even made jokes about it (at Kylu's expense, no less).

First, you demand evidence, and condemn that an accusation would be made without presenting it. When evidence is presented, you condemn that.

Lar has a problem, and lots of people know about it, but cover for him because he has power. Kylu is one of those who knew about it, but instead of backing whistleblowers he knew firsthand were telling the truth, he misused his admin powers to silence them. That's your Pristine Happy Magic Kingdom that was polluted and spoiled by this horrible leak (and there's more where that came from.)

Say, Random, you live in the same town as Kylu, and you're both coders…are you his friend IRL?



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Say, Random, you live in the same town as Kylu, and you're both coders…are you his friend IRL?



Sounds like Proab's squad all over it again. Still my favorite:


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Admins are quitting constantly.

I just did ohmy.gif Can't stand it any longer - I just had to get out. Eric Barbour pretty much got it right when he described admin/BLP work as just pushing against an overwhelming tide. And Milton is right in that the individual simply cannot fix the wrongs of the world ...


Sad to see you go. You were a good 'un. An individual cannot do much, but it doesn't hurt not to shut the door entirely, because the tide may turn in the future. It might need your assistance.

According to RickBot, there were 991 active admins as of the 2008 July 21 update. It's now down to 941. During that time period (7 and a half months), there were 75 new admins (only counting RfAs, not bots that got flags through BAG) created.

That means 125 admins who were active back then are no longer active.* That's a lot of people.

*- I should note that I'm assuming that all the 75 admins created are still active. I haven't checked that, but I doubt more than 3 or so wouldn't be considered active by RickBot.

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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Sun 8th March 2009, 1:25am) *

First, you demand evidence, and condemn that an accusation would be made without presenting it. When evidence is presented, you condemn that.


What exactly was what you posted evidence of?

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Lar has a problem, and lots of people know about it, but cover for him because he has power. Kylu is one of those who knew about it, but instead of backing whistleblowers he knew firsthand were telling the truth,


Telling the truth about what? About the allegations themselves? You haven't even shown that it was true, let alone that Kylu knew.

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Didn't even know that. It's hardly one of those towns where everyone knows everyone, what with the whole 795K people, another 65K-ish in marion county and an extra million or so in the MSA that could all plausibly be identifying as being from Indianapolis.

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Somewhat lost in the hustle and bustle of Wiki-drama was this nervous breakdown by admin Tanthalas39 on his user page: User:Tanthalas39&diff=273706358&oldid=264562383

He came back two days later. Personally, I don't think anyone missed him. evilgrin.gif


I'm guessing he had to run out for more mousse.

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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Sun 8th March 2009, 4:42am) *
I'm guessing he had to run out for more mousse.

Forget about it, as they say. We're talking complete makeover, here. Mousse, yes, but also hair dye, a really good shave, a haircut and a new personality. According to the Wikipedia entry for his "human" name he's a bearded, red-haired, half-elf who "seldom lies" and has "never completed the elven rite of adulthood". It's nice to see people (or half-elves) of this calibre as Wiki admins.
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First, you demand evidence, and condemn that an accusation would be made without presenting it. When evidence is presented, you condemn that.

Lar has a problem, and lots of people know about it, but cover for him because he has power. Kylu is one of those who knew about it, but instead of backing whistleblowers he knew firsthand were telling the truth, he misused his admin powers to silence them. That's your Pristine Happy Magic Kingdom that was polluted and spoiled by this horrible leak (and there's more where that came from.)

Say, Random, you live in the same town as Kylu, and you're both coders…are you his friend IRL?

Just a lot of hypocrisy, Proab. Hypocrisy and revenge. Lar was a flirt. Shocker. People "covered" for him, according to you, "because he has power"... hmm, maybe they just feel like they have sort of a friendship with him, so they're just light-hearted about this particular trait of his. Or maybe they're just not all uber-sensitive about being hit on in text. Maybe you got kicked to the curb because you deserve it. I'm sure you don't see it, but plenty of other people do.

Watch out, Random, you're next. If you're really a woman, you better tell us now!
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QUOTE(Proabivouac @ Sat 7th March 2009, 6:25pm) *

Say, Random, you live in the same town as Kylu, and you're both coders…are you his friend IRL?


Say, Proab, you have views as opposite to mine as those of JzG...are you his friend IRL?

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