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Jon Awbrey
post Tue 10th March 2009, 4:48pm
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Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.


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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:10pm
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:17pm
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QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 5:45pm) *

Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.


Are these people going to agree on what qualifies as an "improvement"? I don't think you and I would exactly agree on what sort of "tangible steps toward improvement" need to be taken.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:21pm
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QUOTE(Kato @ Tue 10th March 2009, 4:48pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 4:45pm) *

Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.

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Yeah. Actually, I'm thinking that May 26 might be a better date for civil disobedience anyway. FR seems to be dead, so I might as well try to raise the BLP semi-protection project.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:23pm
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QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:45pm) *

Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.
Do it. I foresee you leaving, though. So don't make a pledge you won't keep.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:40pm
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QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 6:21pm) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Tue 10th March 2009, 4:48pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 4:45pm) *

Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.

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Yeah. Actually, I'm thinking that May 26 might be a better date for civil disobedience anyway. FR seems to be dead, so I might as well try to raise the BLP semi-protection project.


You are on the ArbCom; please don't subject us to talk to "civil disobedience". Instead of planning grand gestures predicated on the actions of others, you could use your role as one of the most powerful people on the project to actually bring about some change. As far as I can tell, you have done absolutely nothing in that regard since taking your seat.
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Yeah. Actually, I'm thinking that May 26 might be a better date for civil disobedience anyway. FR seems to be dead, so I might as well try to raise the BLP semi-protection project.

You are on the ArbCom; please don't subject us to talk to "civil disobedience". Instead of planning grand gestures predicated on the actions of others, you could use your role as one of the most powerful people on the project to actually bring about some change. As far as I can tell, you have done absolutely nothing in that regard since taking your seat.

Jimbo himself can't bring about change. Policy creation is basically broken, and I'm even more convinced that the only way to get anything is to go do it. That's what I'm proposing.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:52pm
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QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:45pm) *

Why not start a wikiproject about this? That is, make a list where users will pledge to walk out on some date if tangible steps toward improvement haven't been taken? I would make such a pledge.

What's a reasonable and appropriate date? I suggest the Seigenthaler anniversary: May 26. The four year anniversary of that former public servant being libeled by an IP address. If nothing happens before then, I quit.


I would support such a plan, particularly if a member of the Arbcom featured prominently.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 5:52pm
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QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:47pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 10th March 2009, 5:40pm) *

You are on the ArbCom; please don't subject us to talk to "civil disobedience". Instead of planning grand gestures predicated on the actions of others, you could use your role as one of the most powerful people on the project to actually bring about some change. As far as I can tell, you have done absolutely nothing in that regard since taking your seat.

Jimbo himself can't bring about change. Policy creation is basically broken, and I'm even more convinced that the only way to get anything is to go do it. That's what I'm proposing.

You have a bully pulpit. Use it. Do, yes, but create policy by doing. If, for example, enough people close AfDs and sustain DRVs as default to delete, then et voila, default to delete for no consensus BLPs is policy.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 6:58pm
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That is the way of the world. As the officers are killed off, eventually you get to the point that the only people clueless enough to go into the meatgrinder, are teenagers. The origin of the word "infantry" is exactly what you might think from first looking at it: it doesn't mean children in diapers as in English, but it does refer to children with weapons.


Good Grief!!! rolleyes.gif

The word infantry comes from the fact that, on at least one occasion, part of the dowry of a Spanish princess was made up of regiments of foot soldiers. They were nicknamed infantry because the princess was an Infanta of Spain!

To the moderators/staff: Please can I have a nitpicker's smiley! tongue.gif

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post Tue 10th March 2009, 7:02pm
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Webster's gives a different etymology, going back to Latin for boy or footsoldier.

But I really think it's because they don't get speaking parts in the movies.

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post Tue 10th March 2009, 7:03pm
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 10th March 2009, 5:52pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:47pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Tue 10th March 2009, 5:40pm) *

You are on the ArbCom; please don't subject us to talk to "civil disobedience". Instead of planning grand gestures predicated on the actions of others, you could use your role as one of the most powerful people on the project to actually bring about some change. As far as I can tell, you have done absolutely nothing in that regard since taking your seat.

Jimbo himself can't bring about change. Policy creation is basically broken, and I'm even more convinced that the only way to get anything is to go do it. That's what I'm proposing.

You have a bully pulpit. Use it. Do, yes, but create policy by doing. If, for example, enough people close AfDs and sustain DRVs as default to delete, then et voila, default to delete for no consensus BLPs is policy.


Lar I agree. If, and I think it is a big if, anything can be done to sort out Jimbo's empire then this suggestion might be the first step.
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QUOTE(standixon @ Tue 10th March 2009, 7:58pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 10th March 2009, 3:35pm) *


That is the way of the world. As the officers are killed off, eventually you get to the point that the only people clueless enough to go into the meatgrinder, are teenagers. The origin of the word "infantry" is exactly what you might think from first looking at it: it doesn't mean children in diapers as in English, but it does refer to children with weapons.


Good Grief!!! rolleyes.gif

The word infantry comes from the fact that, on at least one occasion, part of the dowry of a Spanish princess was made up of regiments of foot soldiers. They were nicknamed infantry because the princess was an Infanta of Spain!

To the moderators/staff: Please can I have a nitpicker's smiley! tongue.gif


Either way, it's a striking analogy to me--I think One here is like a guy with a rifle telling a bunch of unarmed guys to go over the top.
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post Tue 10th March 2009, 7:13pm
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QUOTE(standixon @ Tue 10th March 2009, 11:58am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 10th March 2009, 3:35pm) *


That is the way of the world. As the officers are killed off, eventually you get to the point that the only people clueless enough to go into the meatgrinder, are teenagers. The origin of the word "infantry" is exactly what you might think from first looking at it: it doesn't mean children in diapers as in English, but it does refer to children with weapons.


Good Grief!!! rolleyes.gif

The word infantry comes from the fact that, on at least one occasion, part of the dowry of a Spanish princess was made up of regiments of foot soldiers. They were nicknamed infantry because the princess was an Infanta of Spain!

To the moderators/staff: Please can I have a nitpicker's smiley! tongue.gif


QUOTE(Wikipedia (see citations))
The word infantry was borrowed into other Romance languages from the Latin infantem, originally "a youth" who as an infante "foot soldier" served in groups composed of those who were too inexperienced or low in rank for cavalry. As a meaning for an organised type of combat troops the word dates to 1579 in the French infantrie and Spanish infanteria.[2] However, in military history it has become a common English term to apply to troops from earlier historical periods.


The basic idea is like squire -- at age 13 or 14 you're too young to give you a horse, but will consider you as an apprentice knight. No nitpicker's smiley for you.

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I for one think that your above resignation statement provides undeniably clear evidence that your decision to resign as an administrator was a very good one. Anyway, I wish you all the very best. — Aitias


Meh.
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Was this really necessary?
I for one think that your above resignation statement provides undeniably clear evidence that your decision to resign as an administrator was a very good one. Anyway, I wish you all the very best. — Aitias


Meh.

Sort of adds insult to injury, considering Aitias' role. But what do you expect?
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QUOTE(Caknuck @ Tue 10th March 2009, 7:22pm) *
Was this really necessary?

Yes - it's what he needs to do to score points in the game of wikipedia.
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Tue 10th March 2009, 7:29pm) *

QUOTE(Caknuck @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:22pm) *

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Was this really necessary?
I for one think that your above resignation statement provides undeniably clear evidence that your decision to resign as an administrator was a very good one. Anyway, I wish you all the very best. — Aitias


Meh.

Sort of adds insult to injury, considering Aitias' role. But what do you expect?

Quite, Aitias is one unpleasant sob.
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QUOTE(Caknuck @ Tue 10th March 2009, 12:22pm) *

Was this really necessary?
I for one think that your above resignation statement provides undeniably clear evidence that your decision to resign as an administrator was a very good one. Anyway, I wish you all the very best. — Aitias


Meh.
Well, that could be taken as his detailed reasons for resigning leave readers with an understanding of why he's gone, and Aitias could be expressing that feeling... believing that DDstetch's resignation is a good choice for him.

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Quite, Aitias is one unpleasant sob.


I didn't realise Germans had such a well-developed sense of irony until I saw his comments on Malleus' and Ddstretch's talk pages and then read his explanation of his username.
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