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post Tue 24th March 2009, 2:15pm
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I'm sure Wikipedia will struggle on with one less arbcom clerk.
It would struggle on with one less Majorly, too, but what's your point?
The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?

PS. Did you snigger to yourself thinking up that hilarious retort? I certainly did. evilgrin.gif
I don't know what snigger means (and it's not pretty, so I'll stick to whatever is analogous), but I didn't find my retort hilarious. I was being serious. My point, dearest Maj o rly?, is partly summed up in your later post:
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I think Wikipedia could work and be brilliant if just a few small things were changed. Those small things will never happen, unfortunately.
That's the point, troubled child. Wikipedia needs to make a few changes, but those changes will never happen. At least not until change is forced upon it. That is why it matters when big name admins retire. Admins that are also ArbCom clerks, for example.

In that this has to be explained to you, you clearly don't check in on WR enough; or you're not reading the right threads. To be fair, not all admin losses matter. Of that you can be sure. Your own, for example, was much needed. Of course, considering all the months I fought to yank you down from your administrative pedestal, I'm sure it's clear to everyone where I stand on you and adminship, yet you believe you never abused anything. Right... well, whatever makes you feel better about it.

If you want to stop editing Wikipedia, Majorly, and I think you should, how about you just quit? Here's a good way to do it: Drop a long spiel on your talk page, so that you look like a bigger dumbass than usual if you return, and have all your shit protected. Synergy will swing by and stick his nose in your shit as he so loves to do, but not until a few weeks later, and by then... you just don't care about editing anymore. Trust me.

It's not just an addiction. It's a habit. And for you it's a bad habit. Bad habits can be broken, though. They say something becomes a habit once you do it ten times. Women who take birth control pills may want to fact tag that, but that's what they say. Anyway, it sort of works the other way, too. Stop doing something for a while, and pretty soon, that habit is gone.

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.


Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 2:52pm
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QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 9:15am) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:25am) *

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.


Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 3:03pm
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QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 10:15am) *

Why do you hate me so much?
You sound like Kurt now.

I don't hate you, Majorly. You annoy me.

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 24th March 2009, 10:52am) *

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.
I have tried to see things from Majorly's point of view, but it's just pointless. I don't understand him. And while I appreciate that it's picking on a weak target, it's sometimes just too much to pass up. I do refrain most of the time, though. That should count for something. happy.gif

And I'm not at all annoyed with you, Lar.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 3:09pm
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QUOTE(Alex @ Mon 23rd March 2009, 5:23pm) *

I'll tell you why: I'm addicted. I'll tell you the truth: I wish I could leave. Or at least, leave the shit part of Wikipedia, and concentrate on articles instead. I don't think anyone here doubts that if we could start Wikipedia again: with real names, draft versions of articles before publishing, no RFA, no AN/I, no Arbcom, no/strict rules on BLPs etc etc, it would be 1000 times better than it is.

It would also still be too small for most of us to have heard of it.

Even now, Sangerpedia would remain completely unknown to us if we didn't already know who Larry was (allegedly).
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The problem is all inside your head, she said to me

Actually what I really want to hear now is "Still Crazy After All These Years". Gotta love that saxophone solo. /me wanders off to Youtube.

I've got a few half-written parodies stuck in my head, none as bad as Moulton's. I should write 'em down somewhere before I forget.
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To begin with, chanelling the "dramaenergy" into article-building would be a simple yet largely productive change for the long-term. If the focus on generating useless discussions at WT:RFA was placed into article-building instead, we create loads of featured articles and be very happy for it too.

No, most of them wouldn't be "featured", just incredibly long.
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post Tue 24th March 2009, 3:10pm
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 24th March 2009, 2:52pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 9:15am) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:25am) *

If you really love Wikipedia, Majorly, then you'll let it go.


Do you get cheap thrills from attacking me? Does hurting other people make you feel warm inside? Is it possible for you to talk to me without being so nasty about it? Why do you hate me so much?

I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.


I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us. He thought because he was bigger and better than us he could push us around, beat us up and bully us. This is just like Lara, except now it's me on my own, and we're a little older and mature than that. What's ironic here is that Lara goes on about how awful I am, but she is just as bad as I am, in so many ways. I am personally trying to put my own problems behind me. Lara seems to enjoy bringing them up to put me down. This is a thread about Gazimoff, and she couldn't resist bringing up my desysopping - that took place nearly seven months ago - as if it's the latest thing. I wish she would put it to rest. I have never said I was a perfect admin, and I admitted I made errors. She cannot seem to accept this, and believes that I think I was completely without any problems at all. Lara once told me that she was horrible to me because she thought I was a crappy admin. Now I've not been one for over six months, she's still using every opportunity to put me down. If I was to ever leave Wikipedia, it would not because Wikipedia is a problem, but it would be because I can't bear what she's doing. Perhaps I should toughen up a bit, but perhaps Lara should just stop picking on people, then we wouldn't have this problem.

I have recently been on threads here where me, her, Malleus and Iridescent all agree on something, and we're perfectly capable of having an adult conversation. I'd like to keep it that way, without being attacked and ridiculed, by what is no better than schoolyard bullying.
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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:03pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 10:15am) *

Why do you hate me so much?
You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Mon 23rd March 2009, 2:50pm) *

The question is: what's your point? People retire everyday, so what?


Soon after standing in an election?

Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

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QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:10pm) *

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us...

Ah, what to do about a bully. I know... you could stab him, hit him in the head with a baseball bat, and throw his body in the swamp, then then brag to all your friends about it. That seems so cliché though. You owe it to yourself to be more imaginative than that. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 24th March 2009, 8:52am) *


I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.


This banal crap has been brought to you by the Wikipedia Chamber of Commerce Boosters Club hoping you all have a nice day.
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QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:12pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:03pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 10:15am) *

Why do you hate me so much?
You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.

I'd rather have someone like Kurt around, who has principles and is prepared to stand by them, instead of ... well, you know, the other sort. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(CharlotteWebb @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:09pm) *
No, most of them wouldn't be "featured", just incredibly long.

... incredibly boring, and appallingly written.
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QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 11:10am) *

I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done. I haven't felt like this since high school, when a lad in my year group used to pick on a bunch of us. He thought because he was bigger and better than us he could push us around, beat us up and bully us. This is just like Lara, except now it's me on my own, and we're a little older and mature than that. What's ironic here is that Lara goes on about how awful I am, but she is just as bad as I am, in so many ways. I am personally trying to put my own problems behind me. Lara seems to enjoy bringing them up to put me down. This is a thread about Gazimoff, and she couldn't resist bringing up my desysopping - that took place nearly seven months ago - as if it's the latest thing. I wish she would put it to rest. I have never said I was a perfect admin, and I admitted I made errors. She cannot seem to accept this, and believes that I think I was completely without any problems at all. Lara once told me that she was horrible to me because she thought I was a crappy admin. Now I've not been one for over six months, she's still using every opportunity to put me down. If I was to ever leave Wikipedia, it would not because Wikipedia is a problem, but it would be because I can't bear what she's doing. Perhaps I should toughen up a bit, but perhaps Lara should just stop picking on people, then we wouldn't have this problem.

I have recently been on threads here where me, her, Malleus and Iridescent all agree on something, and we're perfectly capable of having an adult conversation. I'd like to keep it that way, without being attacked and ridiculed, by what is no better than schoolyard bullying.
You just graduated like a year ago, right? Anyway, I mostly leave you alone. You're the one being a douchebag in my thread. Damn skippy it's about Gazimoff, so sit down, son. Your comment wasn't about Gazimoff. It was asking why I bothered to post it. A stupid question.

And please, pack up your belongings and leave a nastygram on your talk page about how I ran you off of WP by "bullying" you on WR. I would be glad to take credit for helping you break your addiction. And don't be offended by that. I'm trying to pull as many admins and long-established users off the project as I can -- the good ones -- for the benefit of all involved.

That said, Majorly, you don't have the spine to stand up to me, so don't try it. If you wanna spar in text, then do it; otherwise, don't make dumbass comments in response to my threads and then cry when I snap at you.

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QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:03pm) *

QUOTE(Alex @ Tue 24th March 2009, 10:15am) *

Why do you hate me so much?
You sound like Kurt now.

Whoa there, since when does Kurt care whether or why anyone hates him?

That's one thing I always admired about Kurt.

Kurt: Why do you hate Wikipedia?
Majorly: Why do you hate/dislike me so much?
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QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 24th March 2009, 8:52am) *
I hate to see two people I like go at it this way, and you know I think highly of both of you for your good qualities.

Could you guys maybe try to see the good side of each other a bit more? Truth is, you're both right about a lot of very important things, like how addictive WP can be, and how it can tend to foster bad behaviours, and how some of the less fun powergame stuff is... well... less fun. Maybe focus on that, and what good qualities each of you have and know that the other has, instead of focusing on the bad?

Majorly... that means you maybe should try to develop a thicker skin and just let stuff flow on by. People get your goat way easy... because you let them.

Lara... that means you maybe should try to pick on harder targets... someone almost as tough as you is more challenging than Majorly, as they are harder to get a rise out of, don't you think?

You both can tell me to go soak my head now I guess... probably I will have annoyed both of you by posting this. Oh well, sorry. With all the real problems out there that urgently need attention, I hate to see good people like you two, who are on the same side, fight.

This banal crap has been brought to you by the Wikipedia Chamber of Commerce Boosters Club hoping you all have a nice day.

It sounds a bit wanky only because he forgot to add a final one-sentence "killer" paragraph such as :

"And, remember, respect your parents, say your prayers, and always brush your teeth before going to bed".
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QUOTE(Son of a Yeti @ Tue 24th March 2009, 3:27pm) *

Soon after standing in an election?
Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

Not quite. Arbcom clerks aren't elected, only Arbcom members.

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Damn skippy it's about Gazimoff, so sit down, son.


Hey, I'm quite content to sit back and let you two get on with it wink.gif
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Soon after standing in an election?
Did he need to spend more quality time with his family?

Not quite. Arbcom clerks aren't elected, only Arbcom members.

Yeah, I was wondering what SoaY meant...anyway, Gazimoff was never a full clerk, only a clerk trainee.
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Yeah, I was wondering what SoaY meant...anyway, Gazimoff was never a full clerk, only a clerk trainee.


The trainees are still passed by and receive the casual assent of the Committee, so the difference between the trainees and the 'full' Clerks is minimal...actually, to be honest, I think there's little difference between them, except for the whole 'mentorship' angle.

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I'd love it if Lara could stop trying to drag my name though the mud at every chance possible. I don't think anyone ever has insulted, belittled, attacked and bullied me in ways she has done.


I'm wondering if I should take this as a slight on my be-an-[alleged]-dick-to-Wikipedians skills which are [allegedly] so well respected...j/k tongue.gif

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I don't know exactly where this thread has gone, and to be frank I don't care who kills who. But can I wish Gazimoff my best wishes for the future - a truly inspiring workmate. All the best, mate.
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6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?
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6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

Make Felix Pedro a featured article on or before June 22, 2010.
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6 months away, and resolve is slipping. Feeling the need to contribute and help out again. Suggestions?

What's your stance on the BLP problem?
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