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post Tue 14th July 2009, 8:59pm
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kinda slow on the draw, i know.

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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:01pm
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QUOTE(Apathetic @ Tue 14th July 2009, 5:59pm) *

User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.
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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:10pm
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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.

Yeah, the timing of this was intentional – it was actually meant to be three months before the 2nd anniversary, in line with my "admins should always be desysopped for at least three months of every two years" arguments, but I'd misremembered the date. As I said at the time, there's no interesting back story here, I'm afraid.
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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:10pm
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kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.


Big deal. Does anyone on Wikipedia just walk away without making a production or having a production made about them?

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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:15pm
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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.


Big deal. Does anyone on Wikipedia just walk away without making a production or having a production made about them?

Not sure how I'm "making a production" here. Until this thread (not started by me), I don't think I'd even mentioned it here, and all I've done on my talkpage is reply to people who've asked about it. As I say above, there's really no story here.
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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:24pm
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 14th July 2009, 5:15pm) *

Not sure how I'm "making a production" here. Until this thread (not started by me), I don't think I'd even mentioned it here, and all I've done on my talkpage is reply to people who've asked about it. As I say above, there's really no story here.

indeed, I just posted here for the public record.
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post Tue 14th July 2009, 9:27pm
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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.


Big deal. Does anyone on Wikipedia just walk away without making a production or having a production made about them?

Yes, of course. I could list dozens of major contributors who've moved quietly on to other pursuits for whatever reasons. But those types of departures typically don't get discussed a lot on-wiki or here, which is kind of the meaning of not having a production made about them.
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post Tue 14th July 2009, 10:35pm
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I tend to agree with others here. "Who cares?" is my first thought. Eva/Iridescent has some strange ideas, but their resignation would hardly make a difference to things.
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Tue 14th July 2009, 5:10pm) *

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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.


Big deal. Does anyone on Wikipedia just walk away without making a production or having a production made about them?

"Raise your hand if you're absent today."
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 6:14am
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 14th July 2009, 9:10pm) *

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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.

Yeah, the timing of this was intentional – it was actually meant to be three months before the 2nd anniversary, in line with my "admins should always be desysopped for at least three months of every two years" arguments, but I'd misremembered the date. As I said at the time, there's no interesting back story here, I'm afraid.


I really like this idea. Is there any discussion about it on Wikipedia?

I've also wanted to see whether it is feasible to be a checkuser/oversighter without the admin tools. The French Wikipedia has two checkusers who are not admins, and I've asked them about this, but they havent returned my emails. The best way to find out would be to try it out myself.
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 6:59am
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Wed 15th July 2009, 7:14am) *

I've also wanted to see whether it is feasible to be a checkuser/oversighter without the admin tools. The French Wikipedia has two checkusers who are not admins, and I've asked them about this, but they havent returned my emails. The best way to find out would be to try it out myself.

Firstly sorry about iridescent one of the best admins.

Second I cant see the slightest problem about oversight sans admin. Its an invisible backroom function. Checkuser is a little trickier because if you find a sock (or frame someone) then you need a block but you can always send your results to another checkuser to make the block. Probably a good idea anyway to avoid being judge jury and executioner.
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:58am
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QUOTE(sbrown @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:59am) *

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I've also wanted to see whether it is feasible to be a checkuser/oversighter without the admin tools. The French Wikipedia has two checkusers who are not admins, and I've asked them about this, but they havent returned my emails. The best way to find out would be to try it out myself.

Firstly sorry about iridescent one of the best admins.

Second I cant see the slightest problem about oversight sans admin. Its an invisible backroom function. Checkuser is a little trickier because if you find a sock (or frame someone) then you need a block but you can always send your results to another checkuser to make the block. Probably a good idea anyway to avoid being judge jury and executioner.


Many oversight-l requests need to be able to view deleted pages in order to fulfill the request, however this may be fixed by giving oversighters the "browsearchive" permission for instances where they are not sysops.

The biggest problem is that many times the solution to an oversight request is to use normal deletion rather than suppression.

My use of checkuser is rarely followed by a block by me.
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 10:52am
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Firstly sorry about iridescent one of the best admins.



If she was one of the best...oy! sick.gif

But then again, who can we really compare her to? This reminds me of a joke that Bill Cosby made about his wife's cooking -- when there's nothing else to eat, this is delicious.
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 11:39am
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Second I cant see the slightest problem about oversight sans admin. Its an invisible backroom function. Checkuser is a little trickier because if you find a sock (or frame someone) then you need a block but you can always send your results to another checkuser to make the block. Probably a good idea anyway to avoid being judge jury and executioner.
When I was a checkuser on enwiki I only blocked based on my results if the checkuser has been requested by the WMF office (which happened more than y'all probably realize). If I found sockpuppetry or other problematic activity, I'd report it to one of the noticeboards and let some other admin deal with it.

In addition, I was a guest checkuser on the English Wiktionary for some time without also being an admin there. Admittedly this was back in 2006 and the software has changed considerably since then.
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Can some mod change the subhead to something that makes me sound less like an extra from "Watership Down"?

Regarding "automatic temporary desysopping", it's certainly been mentioned on Wikipedia, but is inevitably buried in a hail of "see WP:PEREN!!!" within minutes of anyone suggesting it.
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post Wed 15th July 2009, 6:49pm
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QUOTE(jayvdb @ Wed 15th July 2009, 7:58am) *
The biggest problem is that many times the solution to an oversight request is to use normal deletion rather than suppression.


Don't oversighters already have deleterevision permission?
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QUOTE(Random832 @ Wed 15th July 2009, 7:49pm) *

QUOTE(jayvdb @ Wed 15th July 2009, 7:58am) *
The biggest problem is that many times the solution to an oversight request is to use normal deletion rather than suppression.


Don't oversighters already have deleterevision permission?


Per Special:ListGroupRights Oversight has:
  • Block a username, hiding it from the public (hideuser)
  • Delete and undelete specific revisions of pages (deleterevision)
  • Hide from administrators and restore elements of individual page revisions (suppressrevision)
  • Hide revisions from administrators (hiderevision)
  • View a previously hidden revision (oversight)
  • View private logs (suppressionlog)

it does not have:
  • View deleted history entries, without their associated text (deletedhistory)
  • Search deleted pages (browsearchive)
  • Undelete a page (undelete)

which would be somewhat necessary to using oversight effectively.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Tue 14th July 2009, 10:10pm) *

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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.

Yeah, the timing of this was intentional – it was actually meant to be three months before the 2nd anniversary, in line with my "admins should always be desysopped for at least three months of every two years" arguments, but I'd misremembered the date. As I said at the time, there's no interesting back story here, I'm afraid.


So you'll ressume it after your break then? smile.gif
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QUOTE(wikiwhistle @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:22pm) *

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User_talk:Iridescent#Sysop_Flag

kinda slow on the draw, i know.
It's a shame, but she only had a couple of months to go before her longstanding pledge to give up the mop after two years kicked in anyway.

Yeah, the timing of this was intentional – it was actually meant to be three months before the 2nd anniversary, in line with my "admins should always be desysopped for at least three months of every two years" arguments, but I'd misremembered the date. As I said at the time, there's no interesting back story here, I'm afraid.


So you'll ressume it after your break then? smile.gif

Meh. I'm not going to do a storm-off-in-a-sulk walkout; if there was a good reason for me to have admin rights back, I'd at least temporarily request them back (at some point myself and Kbthompson (T-C-L-K-R-D) promised that we'd go through the slurry of Category:Unknown-importance London-related articles and clear out the obvious unsalvageable crap and irredeemable spam for instance). I actually never did very many admin actions other than routine maintenance, so I can't see many situations where I'd actually want them.
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QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Wed 15th July 2009, 3:47pm) *

Meh. I'm not going to do a storm-off-in-a-sulk walkout; if there was a good reason for me to have admin rights back, I'd at least temporarily request them back (at some point myself and Kbthompson (T-C-L-K-R-D) promised that we'd go through the slurry of Category:Unknown-importance London-related articles and clear out the obvious unsalvageable crap and irredeemable spam for instance). I actually never did very many admin actions other than routine maintenance, so I can't see many situations where I'd actually want them.


What, you aren't going to put yourself forward in another RfA? I would love to see those chickens come home to roost! rolleyes.gif
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