The Wikipedia Review: A forum for discussion and criticism of Wikipedia
Wikipedia Review Op-Ed Pages

Welcome, Guest! ( Log In | Register )

6 Pages V < 1 2 3 4 > »   
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Rootology retires
LaraLove
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:28pm
Post #21


Wikipedia BLP advocate
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,741
Joined: Mon 28th Jan 2008, 7:53pm
Member No.: 4,627



QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 1:48pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:29pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) *

Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! laugh.gif

You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen.


Are you officially advising me in your capacity as a member of the Advisory Council? If so, do you mind if I reciprocate with some advice of my own? It will have to be unofficial advice, because I don't have a title, but I think it's pretty good advice anyway. I think you should go write some content--you pick the article. I looked through your last 100 contributions and only found one article edit, and that one was to nominate an article for deletion. Are you sure your advice is going to be well-grounded if you aren't out there actively editing articles? I don't want the ArbCom to be getting bad advice, you know! laugh.gif
I actually noted that same thing last night myself. Although, last night I had two article edits in my last 100, and one was to nominate an article for deletion.

Anyway, crybaby... No, this wasn't me "officially advising" you in my "capacity as a member of the Advisory Council". This was simply me, on WR, pointing out how annoying you are. I thought that was clear, but you guys opposing the think-tank have a bit of an issue with exaggerating and using hyperbole to get your points across. Understandable, considering you're opposing a think-tank and all. laugh.gif
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
MZMcBride
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:30pm
Post #22


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 671
Joined: Wed 25th Mar 2009, 5:02am
Member No.: 10,962

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Seeing Rootology leave immediately brought to mind User:NoSeptember/Leaving and WP:DIVA.

In this thread, EricBarbour says Rootology "never caused oceans of tedious and embarrassing dramah."

He deleted the pages in his user space, wrote a user space essay and redirected his user page there, fully protected his talk page (with a dramatic protection summary), and placed {{retired}} at the top. It was certainly dramatic by any reasonable person's standards and I was certainly embarrassed by his childish behavior.

Was his retirement in itself an "ocean" of drama? No. For the full body of water, you would need to look at his contributions over the past few months, especially in the project namespace.

One might argue that it's acceptable to behave like this if it's a true retirement, but does anyone honestly believe that it is?
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
One
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:33pm
Post #23


Postmaster General
********

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,553
Joined: Tue 25th Dec 2007, 10:49am
Member No.: 4,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



MZMcBride and Everyking criticize Rootology for being "dramatic." Interesting.

He's got a great essay there. I'll miss him.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
everyking
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:37pm
Post #24


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,368
Joined: Mon 27th Mar 2006, 7:24am
Member No.: 81



QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:28pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 1:48pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 6:29pm) *

QUOTE(everyking @ Wed 15th July 2009, 12:57pm) *

Although Rootology has retired, he gets to keep the honorary title of "founding member" of the Advisory Council. I seem to recall that his short-lived Advisory Council work mainly involved slagging off people like me, arguing that we were only opposed to the Council because we had been sanctioned in the past, and telling us that we were all doomed unless we accepted the ArbCom's edicts--so of course it's important to recognize his contributions to setting the tone and style of this new body's work! laugh.gif

You just get more and more annoying. Go expand Ashlee Simpson. Take her back to FA... doesn't she deseve it? If you really loved her, you'd care enough to make it happen.


Are you officially advising me in your capacity as a member of the Advisory Council? If so, do you mind if I reciprocate with some advice of my own? It will have to be unofficial advice, because I don't have a title, but I think it's pretty good advice anyway. I think you should go write some content--you pick the article. I looked through your last 100 contributions and only found one article edit, and that one was to nominate an article for deletion. Are you sure your advice is going to be well-grounded if you aren't out there actively editing articles? I don't want the ArbCom to be getting bad advice, you know! laugh.gif
I actually noted that same thing last night myself. Although, last night I had two article edits in my last 100, and one was to nominate an article for deletion.

Anyway, crybaby... No, this wasn't me "officially advising" you in my "capacity as a member of the Advisory Council". This was simply me, on WR, pointing out how annoying you are. I thought that was clear, but you guys opposing the think-tank have a bit of an issue with exaggerating and using hyperbole to get your points across. Understandable, considering you're opposing a think-tank and all. laugh.gif


I was referencing your title and official duties for the purposes of sarcasm, not because I actually believed you might be advising in me in your official capacity.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
LaraLove
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:38pm
Post #25


Wikipedia BLP advocate
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,741
Joined: Mon 28th Jan 2008, 7:53pm
Member No.: 4,627



Oh, let's be real. It was dramatic. And he'll be back.

Nothing new here. Happens all the time. Doesn't matter. So move along, we've got shit to do and we're a man down.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
A Horse With No Name
post Wed 15th July 2009, 7:45pm
Post #26


I have as much free time as a Wikipedia admin!
*********

Group: Regulars
Posts: 4,471
Joined: Mon 26th Jan 2009, 1:54pm
Member No.: 9,985



QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 3:38pm) *

Oh, let's be real. It was dramatic. And he'll be back.

Nothing new here. Happens all the time. Doesn't matter. So move along, we've got shit to do and we're a man down.


I second that. And thank goodness it was some dull idiot who did nothing. It would have been awful to lose an intense in-your-face neurotic clown of the Guy Chapman/Uncle G/Tanthalas39/Durova/WMC school of fools. Hell, we can afford to lose 20 Rootologys -- but if we lose Uncle G, it will be a tragedy.

This post has been edited by A Horse With No Name: Wed 15th July 2009, 7:46pm
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Apathetic
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:09pm
Post #27


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 594
Joined: Sun 3rd Aug 2008, 7:36pm
Member No.: 7,383

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 3:30pm) *

fully protected his talk page (with a dramatic protection summary), and placed {{retired}} at the top.


I guess all that explanation to him about why admins should not semi-protect their talk pages even if they aren't currently active went in one ear and out the other.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
MZMcBride
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:15pm
Post #28


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 671
Joined: Wed 25th Mar 2009, 5:02am
Member No.: 10,962

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 3:33pm) *

MZMcBride and Everyking criticize Rootology for being "dramatic." Interesting.

He's got a great essay there. I'll miss him.

Says the person who (dramatically) plots takeovers and revolutions on this site. smile.gif

You can't miss a person who hasn't left. Perhaps Rootology is really leaving for good, but we can't possibly know that for sure. The fact that he has already resumed editing seems like a pretty strong indication, though.

P. S. I hadn't noticed the blanking and protection of his Editor review and his Request for adminship. I think this exit is the new standard-bearer for dramatic goodbyes. Good grief.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
One
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:17pm
Post #29


Postmaster General
********

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,553
Joined: Tue 25th Dec 2007, 10:49am
Member No.: 4,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?

This post has been edited by One: Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
LaraLove
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm
Post #30


Wikipedia BLP advocate
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,741
Joined: Mon 28th Jan 2008, 7:53pm
Member No.: 4,627



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) *

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?

Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so.

I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you.

Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
everyking
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:26pm
Post #31


Postmaster
*******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 2,368
Joined: Mon 27th Mar 2006, 7:24am
Member No.: 81



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:33pm) *

MZMcBride and Everyking criticize Rootology for being "dramatic." Interesting.

He's got a great essay there. I'll miss him.

To be clear, I'll miss him too--he was a good editor, and he was particularly valuable in discussions on governance matters because he recognized very clearly that the project needs reform. Unfortunately, he got the idea that the ArbCom, rather than the community, could or should be the driving force behind reform. I'd love to see him back, but not as a member of the advisory council.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
One
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:26pm
Post #32


Postmaster General
********

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,553
Joined: Tue 25th Dec 2007, 10:49am
Member No.: 4,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) *

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?

Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so.

I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you.

Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you.
I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."

Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.. Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong.

This post has been edited by One: Wed 15th July 2009, 8:31pm
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
gelugor
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:32pm
Post #33


Neophyte


Group: Contributors
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun 5th Oct 2008, 7:55pm
Member No.: 8,550



QUOTE
I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."


This isn't the first time Rootology has done something dramatic, has he? He's going to be back eventually, whether it's a day, a week, or a month or two.

User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
MZMcBride
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:35pm
Post #34


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 671
Joined: Wed 25th Mar 2009, 5:02am
Member No.: 10,962

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) *

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?

Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so.

I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you.

Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you.
I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."

Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong.

I'll try to refrain from answering the question you asked that I not answer. But in response to the semi-protection "incident" in particular, I think it's important to point out that one of Rootology's arguments for semi-protecting his own talk page was that he was "just about to go on a long break" (paraphrased). This was in late June. I think that's a pretty good example of why my frustration with Rootology has been growing. Read into that whatever you will.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
One
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:37pm
Post #35


Postmaster General
********

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,553
Joined: Tue 25th Dec 2007, 10:49am
Member No.: 4,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:35pm) *

I'll try to refrain from answering the question you asked that I not answer.

No, feel free to answer. I only asked if others knew in case you weren't willing.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
gelugor
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:39pm
Post #36


Neophyte


Group: Contributors
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun 5th Oct 2008, 7:55pm
Member No.: 8,550



QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:35pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) *

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:24pm) *

QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:17pm) *

Oh yeah, I've been meaning to ask, what is your beef with him? Can someone else explain it to me?

Someone has to have a beef with another in order to be bemused or annoyed by the dramatic and unnecessary way they choose to attempt to depart the project? I don't think so.

I'm all about going out in protest and drawing some attention to your cause, don't get me wrong. BTDT, but it's sort of silly to do these sorts of things so often. Being dramatic is best when infrequent, otherwise, you're not really "being dramatic" after a while... rather, you're just being you.

Of course, by "you", I don't necessarily mean you.
I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."

Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong.

I'll try to refrain from answering the question you asked that I not answer. But in response to the semi-protection "incident" in particular, I think it's important to point out that one of Rootology's arguments for semi-protecting his own talk page was that he was "just about to go on a long break" (paraphrased). This was in late June. I think that's a pretty good example of why my frustration with Rootology has been growing. Read into that whatever you will.


Well seeing how he's now fully "retired", wasn't announcing a long break just pussyfooting? Oh, and he edited as if nothing happened after his first announcement.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Apathetic
post Wed 15th July 2009, 8:43pm
Post #37


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 594
Joined: Sun 3rd Aug 2008, 7:36pm
Member No.: 7,383

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) *


Just wondering because MZM ... (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong.

It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy.

...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's "His damn user talk page".

(Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.)

This post has been edited by Apathetic: Wed 15th July 2009, 8:48pm
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
LaraLove
post Wed 15th July 2009, 9:01pm
Post #38


Wikipedia BLP advocate
******

Group: Regulars
Posts: 1,741
Joined: Mon 28th Jan 2008, 7:53pm
Member No.: 4,627



QUOTE(One @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:26pm) *

I agree with that last point. Should be a limit on "retiring."

Just wondering because MZM was also all over Rootology's noindexing thing, and (along with Xeno), was agitated about him being among the dozens of admins with semi-protected pages.... Seemed like there was some history, but I may be wrong.
MZ takes a strict stance on protection in all cases.

QUOTE(Apathetic @ Wed 15th July 2009, 4:43pm) *

It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy.

...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's "His damn user talk page".

(Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.)
That pretty well blew me away, too. I think Luke is the only arb you'll see making such comments on- or off- wiki. At least, he's the only one I've seen do so.

And I hate that "your talk page belongs to the community" line. Right, whatever. I get that a lot, too. Let the civility police try to enforce something on my talk page.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
One
post Wed 15th July 2009, 9:03pm
Post #39


Postmaster General
********

Group: Contributors
Posts: 2,553
Joined: Tue 25th Dec 2007, 10:49am
Member No.: 4,284

WP user page - talk
check - contribs



QUOTE(Apathetic @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:43pm) *

It's pretty simple (and has nothing specifically to do with rootology) - I just think admins (and editors in general) should be accountable to users, including IPs and new users. Semi-protection (and, by extension, full-protection) of an administrators' user talk page without justification and a history of severe abuse (as exists in at least some of the "dozens of admins" you mention) is thus inappropriate and runs counter to the protection policy.

...and I am still astonished that a sitting arbitrator thinks it's completely fine because it's "His damn user talk page".

(Which, of course, it isn't. It belongs to the community.)

I didn't realize you were Xeno. Out of curiosity, how many other admins with semi-protected pages have either of you harassed since then?

At any rate, Rootology has just informed me that he really has retired--saying farewell on the ACPD pages hardly counts as resumed editing. I find his announcement more credible than, say, Giano, who has a track record. Rootology quit this place cold turkey, after all. I hope it's just a long absence, but right now he seems to mean it.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post
Nerd
post Wed 15th July 2009, 9:19pm
Post #40


Über Member
*****

Group: Regulars
Posts: 672
Joined: Sat 30th May 2009, 7:52pm
From: Cloud cuckoo land
Member No.: 11,945



QUOTE(MZMcBride @ Wed 15th July 2009, 8:30pm) *

Seeing Rootology leave immediately brought to mind User:NoSeptember/Leaving and WP:DIVA.


Funny how several on that list have retired. For real.

And yeah, he blanked his editor review and RFA and fully protected them. The only thing that achieves is DRAMA. No one even cared about either of those pages until he suddenly did that. Pointless.
User is offlineProfile CardPM
Go to the top of the page
+Quote Post

6 Pages V < 1 2 3 4 > » 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
1 User(s) are reading this topic (1 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)
0 Members:

 

-   Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 20th 11 17, 11:55am