WikiAnswers vs Wikianswers, Seth tries to figure out the confusion Options

[Kato]

There is a confusion going on surrounding the various "WikiAnswers" sites on the net - between Wikia and Answers.com.

Andrew Lih writes:

WikiAnswers is not Wikianswers. There is wiki.answers.com, and then there is answers.wikia.com. And confusingly, Wikianswers.com points to one of them.

Did you get that? Well you’re not the only one who didn’t.

Seth Finkelstein has a good rundown on this latest confusion among the companies spun off from the Wikipedia Revolution.

His blog and his Guardian article are pretty unequivocal:

"In my opinion, Wikia’s relaunch of its site using the name Wikianswers is sleazy and unethical in the face of the far more well-known and successful Answers.com" [site].

For those who don’t know, Answers.com has been a major donor and supporter of the Wikimania conference over the years, as has Wikia, which makes this showdown all the more intriguing.

[Random832]

The "official line" from none other than Angela:

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/Is_wikianswe...iki.answers.com

[dogbiscuit]

The "official line" from none other than Angela:

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/Is_wikianswe...iki.answers.com

One wonders, with that answer, what legal right Wikia have in the trading name WikiaAnswers? Do Wikia own the rights, is it their trademark to grant permission for.

Random - supplementary question required.

[One]

She seems to be right. Wikianswers has been around since at least May 2006, while WikiAnswers was not renamed until at least November 2006, when FAQ Farm was acquired. http://ir.answers.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=217782 Looks like that's the first time they even used "WikiAnswers," and FAQ Farm was still the main name for a few more months.

And now this very thread might be cited as evidence of market confusion in some future trademark suit rumblings.


EDIT: I didn't realize that the PTO had prosecution histories for trademark applications online. Answers.com has answered three office actions and does not yet have a Federal trademark in WikiAnswers--examiner seems to think it's a generic term with no secondaryal meaning, but I have no reidea what that means. I hate trademark.

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[Doc glasgow]

This is the first time I'd ever seen Wikianswers, so I clicked on one of the questions suggested on its mainpage:



What is a doughnut?

A doughnut is all that is heavenly put in a pastry and has had a hole cut in it because the poeple that make them know they are delicious and want to taste test them!

Well, nice to know it is up to the usual high standards of a Wales-endorsed project: (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)


It's a joke-site? Right?

""Wikianswers uses the unique characteristics of a wiki to form the very best answer to any question." Jimmy Wales founder of Wikipedia and Wikianswers"

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[Eva Destruction]

Who founded Wikipedia?

Larry Sanger and Jimbo Wales

See how long that lasts.

[Doc glasgow]

Who founded Wikipedia?

Larry Sanger and Jimbo Wales

See how long that lasts.

I was tempted to vandalis amend that with The Truth ™ to say Jimmy alone. But, suprisingly Wikia needs an e-mail to account create.

So I can write an encyclopaedia with no checks on me, but they need more to let me answer a doughnut question?

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[Eva Destruction]

Honestly, this is like shooting fish:

Can a male dog get a girl pregnant?
Can I give my cat morphine to sedate him?
Can snorting kool-aid kill you?
Do all animals have skeletons?
Do men masturbate in the shower?
Do people lick girls' buttholes?

Jimbo, with all due respect this site would be improved by redirecting it to Last Measure.

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[dtobias]

Do men masturbate in the shower?

The answer provided by the site:

Yup. Men masturbate pretty much anywhere.

(Though I seem to remember hearing somewhere that there's actually a law in the state of Pennsylvania making it illegal to masturbate... has this ever been enforced?)


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[One]

(Though I seem to remember hearing somewhere that there's actually a law in the state of Pennsylvania making it illegal to masturbate... has this ever been enforced?)

If only there were a Web 2.0 site to submit such questions...

Someone should ask Random's question of WikiAnswers to see what they say.

[dogbiscuit]

She seems to be right. Wikianswers has been around since at least May 2006, while WikiAnswers was not renamed until at least November 2006, when FAQ Farm was acquired. http://ir.answers.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=217782 Looks like that's the first time they even used "WikiAnswers," and FAQ Farm was still the main name for a few more months.

And now this very thread might be cited as evidence of market confusion in some future trademark suit rumblings.


EDIT: I didn't realize that the PTO had prosecution histories for trademark applications online. Answers.com has answered three office actions and does not yet have a Federal trademark in WikiAnswers--examiner seems to think it's a generic term with no secondaryal meaning, but I have no reidea what that means. I hate trademark.

Ah, that was the point I was getting at. The problem it seems is that Wiki has been established as the generic term for editable web pages (or whatever) and Answers is a pretty generic term, and bolting them together in an unimaginative way doesn't help, so as nobody bothered to register a trademark (or the name itself was rejected by the trademark office), I would guess that nobody has exclusive rights.

Therefore it hints that Sue is being misleading to suggest that it is Wikia's right to determine who gets to use the name. If they'd used something like WiQandA they would have had a case (dashes down the road to register it).

[Bottled_Spider]

Do men masturbate in the shower?

The answer provided by the site:

Yup. Men masturbate pretty much anywhere.

(Though I seem to remember hearing somewhere that there's actually a law in the state of Pennsylvania making it illegal to masturbate... has this ever been enforced?)

I'd love to know. Apparently there's an old law still in force in the British Isles that legally entitles a resident of the Isle of Man to kill a Scottish person on sight. Bad history, y'see. Could be an urban myth - I don't know - but it would be interesting to find out what happens in the event of shit happening. I myself have been there several times and have survived, so things are probably OK. I'd see if it's been asked in WikiAnswers, or whatever, but I can't be arsed.

[One]

She seems to be right. Wikianswers has been around since at least May 2006, while WikiAnswers was not renamed until at least November 2006, when FAQ Farm was acquired. http://ir.answers.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=217782 Looks like that's the first time they even used "WikiAnswers," and FAQ Farm was still the main name for a few more months.

And now this very thread might be cited as evidence of market confusion in some future trademark suit rumblings.


EDIT: I didn't realize that the PTO had prosecution histories for trademark applications online. Answers.com has answered three office actions and does not yet have a Federal trademark in WikiAnswers--examiner seems to think it's a generic term with no secondaryal meaning, but I have no reidea what that means. I hate trademark.

Ah, that was the point I was getting at. The problem it seems is that Wiki has been established as the generic term for editable web pages (or whatever) and Answers is a pretty generic term, and bolting them together in an unimaginative way doesn't help, so as nobody bothered to register a trademark (or the name itself was rejected by the trademark office), I would guess that nobody has exclusive rights.

Therefore it hints that Sue is being misleading to suggest that it is Wikia's right to determine who gets to use the name. If they'd used something like WiQandA they would have had a case (dashes down the road to register it).

Again, I don't know much about this process, but the trademark examiner seems to be rejecting answer.com's application for want of "acquired distinctiveness." See the trademark prosecution history. The examiner's first office action (July 11, 2007) seems to say what you said above Wiki = generic, Answers = generic, and they need to show more distinctiveness.

[Milton Roe]

[quote name='Eva Destruction' date='Thu 12th February 2009, 3:43pm' post='156037']
Honestly, this is like shooting fish:

Shooting fish is hard due to light diffraction and very nasty splashing. Also illegal most places.

Can a male dog get a girl pregnant?

No, and this makes Brian Griffin happy.

Can I give my cat morphine to sedate him?

Actually, yes. The idea that morphine makes cats crazy is a myth. Vets use many drugs in this class on cats, and would use morphine too if they weren't so paranoid about keeping it in stock around their employees.

Can snorting kool-aid kill you?

No, but it's very painful. See Wikipedia Arbcom.

Do all animals have skeletons?

No. Many Wikipedia editors are invertebrates. Jimbo Wales is said to be an animal, but his skeletons are kept in the closet along with many other Wikipedian things.

Do men masturbate in the shower?

Only Kevin Spacey does this. A kitten dies every time he does, and God cries.

Do people lick girls' buttholes?

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ermm.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/hmmm.gif) Was there a shower part on this one? Kittens still die anyway.



The Answer Man

[UseOnceAndDestroy]

The "official line" from none other than Angela:

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/Is_wikianswe...iki.answers.com

Wikia/wikipedia are struggling to look like they have new ideas. Reminds of the time Jimbo claimed Google was "copying" wikia search - and getting demolished by Matt Cutts.

[Eva Destruction]

Apparently there's an old law still in force in the British Isles that legally entitles a resident of the Isle of Man to kill a Scottish person on sight. Bad history, y'see. Could be an urban myth - I don't know - but it would be interesting to find out what happens in the event of shit happening. I myself have been there several times and have survived, so things are probably OK. I'd see if it's been asked in WikiAnswers, or whatever, but I can't be arsed.

You're safe on the Isle of Man; its "within the city walls of York" where Scotsmen need to worry, as do Welshmen in Chester after sunset.

[dogbiscuit]

The "official line" from none other than Angela:

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/Is_wikianswe...iki.answers.com

Wikia/wikipedia are struggling to look like they have new ideas. Reminds of the time Jimbo claimed Google was "copying" wikia search - and getting demolished by Matt Cutts.

Glad to see the Wikia project is so active - check out the last date on that blog.

[privatemusings]

Ok, own up..... who is 'roflrofl'?

Whomever they may be, I answered their question as best I could;

Where is the Wikimedia Foundation office?

cheeky.......

[privatemusings]

Whilst reminding myself of this storm-in-a-teacup broo ha ha, I popped a note into the wiki talk page about the photo, and got a response pretty immediately from Cary.

I like Cary, and it seems he feels there is a security issue, so I've removed the info as no big deal. I think it's a bit silly / disingenuous to cite such a risk in limiting the information permitted at the article, but can't find the time or energy to care, to be honest - so will wander away from this one.....

[LaraLove]

Can snorting kool-aid kill you?

No, but it's very painful. See Wikipedia Arbcom.

Haha. Milton, you are brilliant. They were all funny, but this was the first one that really made me chortle.

[Random832]

Whilst reminding myself of this storm-in-a-teacup broo ha ha, I popped a note into the wiki talk page about the photo, and got a response pretty immediately from Cary.

Aeron chairs, huh.

[dogbiscuit]

Whilst reminding myself of this storm-in-a-teacup broo ha ha, I popped a note into the wiki talk page about the photo, and got a response pretty immediately from Cary.

Aeron chairs, huh.

That picture is great as a mirror for Wikipedia - I wonder if they will ever get to Featured Office status?

[Bottled_Spider]

Apparently there's an old law still in force in the British Isles that legally entitles a resident of the Isle of Man to kill a Scottish person on sight. Bad history, y'see. Could be an urban myth - I don't know - but it would be interesting to find out what happens in the event of shit happening. I myself have been there several times and have survived, so things are probably OK. I'd see if it's been asked in WikiAnswers, or whatever, but I can't be arsed.

You're safe on the Isle of Man; its "within the city walls of York" where Scotsmen need to worry

I'd never heard of that one. I've always wondered why York folks look at me funny. I used to think it was my habit of muttering to myself and asking perfect strangers highly inappropriate questions. I was right, then.

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:
1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.
2. It is an act of treason to place a postage stamp bearing the British monarch upside-down.
3. In Liverpool, it is illegal for a woman to be topless except as a clerk in a tropical fish store.
4. Mince pies cannot be eaten on Christmas.
5. In Scotland, if someone knocks on your door and requires the use of your toilet, you must let them enter.
6. A pregnant woman can legally relieve herself anywhere she wants, including in a policeman's helmet.
7. The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the king, and the tail of the queen.
8. It is illegal to avoid telling the tax man anything you do not want him to know, but legal not to tell him information you do not mind him knowing.
9. It is illegal to enter the Houses of Parliament in a suit of armour.
10. In the city of York it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.

Phew! I often carry around strange things, but never a bow and arrow. I'm safe.

Whilst reminding myself of this storm-in-a-teacup broo ha ha, I popped a note into the wiki talk page about the photo, and got a response pretty immediately from Cary.

Aeron chairs, huh.

That picture is great as a mirror for Wikipedia - I wonder if they will ever get to Featured Office status?

I'm scared. You see that creature beneath the table? The thing shaped like a cat, but probably isn't? I've got the fear. Bad.

[Eva Destruction]

#9 I can't see the issue with – some of them are outdated, but that one's just as relevant today as it's ever been. Try walking into your local Parliament/Assembly/Congress/State Capitol/any other major public building kitted out in a bullet-proof vest and see how long it takes before security hauls you off to "ask you a few questions".

[tarantino]

Whilst reminding myself of this storm-in-a-teacup broo ha ha, I popped a note into the wiki talk page about the photo, and got a response pretty immediately from Cary.

Aeron chairs, huh.

That picture is great as a mirror for Wikipedia - I wonder if they will ever get to Featured Office status?

Here's a promotional video that includes scenes inside and outside WMF headquarters.

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:P...00-15fps-en.ogg

[LaraLove]

Here's a promotional video that includes scenes inside and outside WMF headquarters.

http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/File:P...00-15fps-en.ogg

Is there an image anywhere available in which Sue has made some sort of attempt to make herself look professional?

[Jon Awbrey]

Is there an image anywhere available in which Sue has made some sort of attempt to make herself look professional?

I remember seeing some kind of airbrushed, blow-dryed, solarized publicity head-shot on her old CBC page that was kinda nice.

Or was that Rachel Marsden ???

I forget …

Ja Ja (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/boing.gif)

[Sarcasticidealist]

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:

Source? I ask because the internet epidemic of so-called "loony laws" is sort of a pet peeve of mine. Virtually all of them are hoaxes, and it's telling that virtually none of them are accompanied by citations of the relevant statute (most of them are expressly stated or implied to be statutory). Besides that, many of them are prefaced with a place (e.g. "In Peace River, Alberta...") that doesn't have a government with jurisdiction to enact the alleged law - would the City of York really have the authority to legalize the murder of Scotsmen even if it wanted to? Snopes puts it well in the first couple of paragraphs here.

(The newer version of Balderdash, the board game, includes a category in which players are given the beginning of an alleged such law, and then invited to guess the end of it. For example, I was once given something along the lines of "In Florida, it is illegal to use an elephant...". I finished with "...commit bank fraud", which I felt should have gotten me some points, since, in probable contrast to the so-called "correct answer", it actually is illegal to commit bank fraud in Florida, with or without an elephant.)

So yeah, I'm not saying that your particular list is nonsense, but that's my immediate assumption with these things until I see evidence otherwise.

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[Eva Destruction]

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:

Source? I ask because the internet epidemic of so-called "loony laws" is sort of a pet peeve of mine. Virtually all of them are hoaxes, and it's telling that virtually none of them are accompanied by citations of the relevant statute (most of them are expressly stated or implied to be statutory). Besides that, many of them are prefaced with a place (e.g. "In Peace River, Alberta...") that doesn't have a government with jurisdiction to enact the alleged law - would the City of York really have the authority to legalize the murder of Scotsmen even if it wanted to? Snopes puts it well in the first couple of paragraphs here.

(The newer version of Balderdash, the board game, includes a category in which players are given the beginning of an alleged such law, and then invited to guess the end of it. For example, I was once given something along the lines of "In Florida, it is illegal to use an elephant...". I finished with "...commit bank fraud", which I felt should have gotten me some points, since, in probable contrast to the so-called "correct answer", it actually is illegal to commit bank fraud in Florida, with or without an elephant.)

So yeah, I'm not saying that your particular list is nonsense, but that's my immediate assumption with these things until I see evidence otherwise.

"The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the king, and the tail of the queen" is a genuine English (not British) law inherited from the Vikings via the Normans and still in force (although they're invariably immediately donated to an appropriate research institution by the Receiver of Wreck). Wikipedia's Royal Fish article does an adequate job in summarising the background. In Scotland, it only applies to whales over 25 feet long (reliable source should you really care).

[Bottled_Spider]

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:

Source? I ask because the internet epidemic of so-called "loony laws" is sort of a pet peeve of mine.

My strategy is simply to believe everything I read. Simplifies life enormously.

"The head of any dead whale found on the British coast automatically becomes the property of the king, and the tail of the queen" is a genuine English (not British) law......

And an eminently sensible one, if you ask me. I assume, then, that the middle bit of the whale belongs to the finder? Super. It would go well with my collection of dead seals.

[Milton Roe]

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:
1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif) No, only in the House of Lords. Since Spencer Perceval

[Bottled_Spider]

I've just looked it up, and that law is in the top-ten of silly, still-extant laws:
1. It is illegal to die in the Houses of Parliament.

(IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif) No, only in the House of Lords. Since Spencer Perceval

That's one for the lawyers, eh? The House of Lords being one of the Houses of Parliament, all in the same building. Guy Fawkes had the right idea about how to treat the place. The "White House incident" in 1814, by the way, was an accident. It was my great great great-ish grandad. He only intended to burn some curtains; a harmless prank, but shit happened. As for poor old Spence, he was the one who was shot and said "I am murdered". Mr. Obvious!

[EricBarbour]

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That's one for the lawyers, eh? The House of Lords being one of the Houses of Parliament, all in the same building. Guy Fawkes had the right idea about how to treat the place. The "White House incident" in 1814, by the way, was an accident. It was my great great great-ish grandad. He only intended to burn some curtains; a harmless prank, but shit happened. As for poor old Spence, he was the one who was shot and said "I am murdered". Mr. Obvious!

[Milton Roe]

The "White House incident" in 1814, by the way, was an accident. It was my great great great-ish grandad. He only intended to burn some curtains; a harmless prank, but shit happened.

Lenny Bruce. "Okay. I'll admit it. We Jews did kill Christ. What can I say? It was a party. It got out of control...."

[michael]

WikiAnswers is amazingly stupid. The things some people ask blindside me. I've always had a great deal of respect for the WMF projects and have never vandalized, but dear lord, I'm tempted to troll with bad answers there.

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[The Wales Hunter]

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_do_you_eat

Q. How do you eat?

A. Put food in mouth. Chew. Swallow. Repeat.

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_do_you_finger_a_girl

Q. How do you finger a girl?

A. With your finger. you stick 2 fingers into her pussy and move it in and out until she squirts

[Milton Roe]

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_do_you_eat

Q. How do you eat?

A. Put food in mouth. Chew. Swallow. Repeat.

http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_do_you_finger_a_girl

Q. How do you finger a girl?

A. With your finger. you stick 2 fingers into her pussy and move it in and out until she squirts

Hey, this could turn into a compendium of all the world's knowledge. Quick, do more. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[Bottled_Spider]

Hey, this could turn into a compendium of all the world's knowledge. Quick, do more. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

Tut. That would be totally off-topic. Perish the thought. Everyone seems to be too busy criticizing the awful Wiki answers thing (or is it answers Wikia?) to notice Answers.com. I input two of the entries given above, and the difference in "tone" of the answers is shocking.

"How do you eat" elicited this brilliant response. Now that's what I call an answer.

"How do you finger a girl" was disappointing, in the sense that it didn't tell me how to do it, but as you can see here it gave a lot of links to, erm, Wiki Answers (or answers Wikia, or whatever). Simple Wiki admins & checkusers will be delighted with most of those links, so, guys, don't skimp on that "bookmark this page" button.

[Eva Destruction]

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[dtobias]

"How do you eat" elicited this brilliant response. Now that's what I call an answer.

There doesn't seem to have been any intelligence (natural or artificial) put into that reply... it just produces, by an automated query, the entries for "eat" in a variety of reference sources, including Wikipedia, where the entry concerns a U.K. restaurant chain of that name.