From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Fri Jan 16 21:54:40 2009
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:54:40 -0500
Subject: [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
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<270a3c6a0901161314l3fc8c1b9xd591e70066d6846b@mail.gmail.com>
<9bcedf260901161337n4916a759l27b115361295bd2c@mail.gmail.com>
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Forwarded with DS's permission.

Newyorkbrad

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Shankbone <davidshankbone at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 4:45 PM
Subject: Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
To: Newyorkbrad <newyorkbrad at gmail.com>, Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia.com>




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Eco LeeTage <ecol7430 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
To: David Shankbone <davidshankbone at gmail.com>


Well, I am very angry to have someone like SDJ harassing me online by
advertising that he is willing to send private correspondence out.

SDJ is not being stalked. We live in different parts of the USA and I have
no way to reach him.

The RfA, like Wikipedia, is no big deal.

I am sorry you feel victimized. No need to respond.

Be happy.




On 1/16/09, David Shankbone <davidshankbone at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That is *never* okay to do, and I feel betrayed by you. As someone who
> was victimized by stalking myself, I find it shocking that you were *
> winning* your RfA and still did this. What's wrong with you?! This isn't
> how you handle disagreements.
>
> I put my own reputation on the line for you, and you basically hurt me when
> you did this. I'm very angry.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Eco LeeTage <ecol7430 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> I have left Wikipedia and had an outsider scramble my password in order
>> not to come back. I did swing by for one last look and saw SDJ doing his
>> act at ANI. I also saw your comments there expressing concern. Please post
>> this message for me:
>>
>> "Eco here, saying goodbye (again?). Regarding SDJ and the "stalking" --
>> as usual, SDJ is exaggerating. Yes, I called his place of work (a school) to
>> inform his principal that he was playing games on Wikipedia during work
>> hours. I have no interest in having future communications with SDJ and will
>> do my best to forget him and this Wiki world. You are welcome to delete,
>> protect, block my account, whatever. Eco has left the building."
>>
>> Thanks
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From jayjg99 at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 00:42:27 2009
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:42:27 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30901161354l6053f8c1v526f1784d30d738c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9bcedf260901161312o51d5745fk1469923ef881db4@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161314l3fc8c1b9xd591e70066d6846b@mail.gmail.com>
<9bcedf260901161337n4916a759l27b115361295bd2c@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161345n3cd1793bke5d35d6e304d9bc5@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30901161354l6053f8c1v526f1784d30d738c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry to sound clueless, but who is SDJ?
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From rlevse at cox.net Sun Jan 18 00:44:43 2009
From: rlevse at cox.net (Randy Everette)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:44:43 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9bcedf260901161312o51d5745fk1469923ef881db4@mail.gmail.com><270a3c6a0901161314l3fc8c1b9xd591e70066d6846b@mail.gmail.com><9bcedf260901161337n4916a759l27b115361295bd2c@mail.gmail.com><270a3c6a0901161345n3cd1793bke5d35d6e304d9bc5@mail.gmail.com><c52819d30901161354l6053f8c1v526f1784d30d738c@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F6E89DFF72946B3BD43A0AC5320509E@EveretteCentral>

User:S. Dean Jamison, renamed to SDJ yesterday I believe.



r/

Randy Everette

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[mailto:arbcom-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of jayjg
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:42 PM
To: Arbitration Committee mailing list
Subject: Re: [arbcom-l] [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage



Sorry to sound clueless, but who is SDJ?
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From carcharothwp at googlemail.com Sun Jan 18 00:58:26 2009
From: carcharothwp at googlemail.com (Carcharoth)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 00:58:26 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
In-Reply-To: <2F6E89DFF72946B3BD43A0AC5320509E@EveretteCentral>
References: <9bcedf260901161312o51d5745fk1469923ef881db4@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161314l3fc8c1b9xd591e70066d6846b@mail.gmail.com>
<9bcedf260901161337n4916a759l27b115361295bd2c@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161345n3cd1793bke5d35d6e304d9bc5@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30901161354l6053f8c1v526f1784d30d738c@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>
<2F6E89DFF72946B3BD43A0AC5320509E@EveretteCentral>
Message-ID: <206791b10901171658w6b1c49c8vf244bcb966d20d57@mail.gmail.com>

Don't think Jayjg got this reply... We will need to get used to this.

On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Randy Everette <rlevse at cox.net> wrote:
> User:S. Dean Jamison, renamed to SDJ yesterday I believe.
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From jayjg99 at gmail.com Sun Jan 18 01:27:51 2009
From: jayjg99 at gmail.com (jayjg)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:27:51 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] [Arbcom-l] Fwd: For David, from Eco Lee Tage
In-Reply-To: <6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9bcedf260901161312o51d5745fk1469923ef881db4@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161314l3fc8c1b9xd591e70066d6846b@mail.gmail.com>
<9bcedf260901161337n4916a759l27b115361295bd2c@mail.gmail.com>
<270a3c6a0901161345n3cd1793bke5d35d6e304d9bc5@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30901161354l6053f8c1v526f1784d30d738c@mail.gmail.com>
<6a8d9d700901171642k1c77e0b2vb661e598f47a1634@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a8d9d700901171727r2ab18d97j76a0143223c9e164@mail.gmail.com>

Ignore this, I've caught up now.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM, jayjg <jayjg99 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry to sound clueless, but who is SDJ?
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From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 15:46:40 2009
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:46:40 -0500
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez: so you think that forcing
her to "out" herself is a good thing then?
In-Reply-To: <1f476df50902171410v18db4a45n9c657a689179d276@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f476df50902171410v18db4a45n9c657a689179d276@mail.gmail.com>
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The below e-mail was circulated to a few people (the author is FieryAngel on
Wikipedia Review). I am forwarding it with his permission. I'd welcome any
thoughts that people might have on this issue as I find it troublesome.

Newyorkbrad

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Oscar Lechien <oscarlechien at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Subject: Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez: so you think that forcing her to "out"
herself is a good thing then?
To: Jimmy Wales <jwales at wikia-inc.com>
Cc: Gregory Kohs <thekohser at gmail.com>, Anthony DiPierro <dipierro at gmail.com>,
Judd Bagley <writerjudd at gmail.com>, "Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)" <
newyorkbrad at gmail.com>, CoolHandLuke at gmail.com, Alison Cassidy <
cooties at mac.com>, Kato Kato <kato90125 at googlemail.com>, Somey <
Sophiapediac at gmail.com>


http://alisavaldesrodriguezblog.blogspot.c...y-lesbians.html

I stupid set about trying to rid Wikipedia of the sexuality stuff, in hopes
> of minimizing the very real danger to me and my family at the hands of these
> obsessed and dangerous detractors. It only made the issue bigger, in
> particular because a man named David Shankbone, who is a self-proclaimed
> editor at Wikipedia (and frustrated writer) became obsessed with me too.


David has been hounding this woman for weeks because of a statement that
she made about her sexuality. He has posted twice about this on his blog.
He has wikilawyered over this information being included on her article. He
has written on your talkpage, Jimbo, talking about the "good press" this has
gotten, after convincing "After Ellen" to run with this story (and a nice
promo blurb for him, too....).

You have said nothing. And you have done nothing.

How is this woman's situation any different than what happened to you after
the Rachael Marsden business? And how does knowing that this woman is
bisexual or not add anything to our understanding of why she is notable? Is
Flaubert therefore a transsexual because he said that "Madame Bovary" was
him? Is Proust suddenly proven heterosexual because his heroine is named
"Albertine", instead of "Albert"?

More importantly, would a reputable encyclopedia print this information?
No. Would the National Enquirer? Probably not, because she's not
*that*kind of notable.

Finally, she says that because she is of Cuban origin and from a politically
left family, that giving out this information would be potentially dangerous
to her and to her family. What information do you have that disproves this?

When are you people going to figure out that you do not have the right to
treat people's personal lives in this manner? When are you going to take
steps to discipline people who carry on attack campaigns such as this? And
when are you finally going to apologize for all of the people who have been
hurt by these kinds of people?
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From: sam.blacketer at googlemail.com (Sam Blacketer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:22:23 +0000
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez: so you think that
forcing her to "out" herself is a good thing then?
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30902180746rb37f624r8b38ae98b1b2c512@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1f476df50902171410v18db4a45n9c657a689179d276@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30902180746rb37f624r8b38ae98b1b2c512@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e75b49f70902181122w2586c330o18b964f96afc4998@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) <
newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> The below e-mail was circulated to a few people (the author is FieryAngel
> on Wikipedia Review). I am forwarding it with his permission. I'd welcome
> any thoughts that people might have on this issue as I find it troublesome.
>

I am not so sure. I think the Wikipedia aspect to the nasty harassment that
this author received is relatively incidental.

The problems seem to have started when an interview she gave to a completely
different site achieves a wider currency than she expected. It seems that
her answer was poorly phrased and open to misunderstanding. The information
from the interview is added to her biography the day it is published but it
is a fairly minimal and neutral entry (
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=235477368
).

I take note of the fact that Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez admits in her blog entry
that attempting to remove this information from Wikipedia was stupid.
However David Shankbone is only involved once in reverting her:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=260395435.
His subsequent questions on the talk page are pointed but relevant, and I
don't read them as wikilawyering. On the other hand, the IP identified as
the subject makes legal threats. It was not apparent that the IP was the
subject of the article until later.

I don't think we have any jurisdiction over David Shankbone's blog. I also
think that AfterEllen.com's interviews would normally count as a reliable
source for the comments of the subjects of the interview. If the article on
it is right, AfterEllen.com is ultimately owned by Viacom. The subsequent
run-in between the editor and Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez happened nearly two
months after her sexuality was removed from the article.

The absolute extent of the case against David Shankbone would be that he
regards it as unambiguously good news when it is much more nuanced. But is
he harassing her? Not so far as I can see (if anything it is the other way
round). There's no evidence he encouraged the editor of AfterEllen.com to
follow up on Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez' interview - in fact she only seems to
have spotted the dispute very late on.

The nasty harassment of Alisa Valdes-Rodriguez which she mentions was
already going on when she was nine. The controversial interview was
accurately written up in her biography but has been out of it for two
months. Ultimately the fact is that WP:BLP is not a licence for subjects to
remove anything from their biographies that they do not want reported.

--
Sam Blacketer
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From newyorkbrad at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:08:31 2009
From: newyorkbrad at gmail.com (Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia))
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:08:31 -0400
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Your Wikipedia star, David Shankbone
In-Reply-To: <14b1e7be0904150405h4087a762ld1203527f7da131e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14b1e7be0904150405h4087a762ld1203527f7da131e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>

Please see e-mail below. I consider Shankbone's conduct egregious and would
like to consider banning him.

Newyorkbrad

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gregory Kohs <thekohser at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 7:05 AM
Subject: Your Wikipedia star, David Shankbone
To: "Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)" <newyorkbrad at gmail.com>, Jimmy Wales <
jwales at wikia-inc.com>


http://blog.shankbone.org/2009/04/14/greg-...edia-dramatica/

Yeah, I really honestly believe that Davis Shankbone has "nothing" to do
with the fact that Encyclopedia Dramatica loves to feature me, and the
"fact" that my 5-year-old daughter is not of my seed. I can surely see why
Shankbone's blog was given the featured placement on the Planet Wikimedia
blog feeder, and how he's coddled on Wikipedia.

Thank you, guys, for not having intervened with Shankbone a year ago, when
we told you he was nothing but trouble.

Greg
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From sydney.poore at gmail.com Wed Apr 15 14:23:37 2009
From: sydney.poore at gmail.com (FloNight)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:23:37 -0400
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Your Wikipedia star, David Shankbone
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14b1e7be0904150405h4087a762ld1203527f7da131e@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16032ea0904150723w1c1f9b2cn83e451c6fe889473@mail.gmail.com>

Why has he not been banned by the Community?

Sydney

On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
<newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Please see e-mail below.? I consider Shankbone's conduct egregious and would
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From carcharothwp at googlemail.com Wed Apr 15 14:27:52 2009
From: carcharothwp at googlemail.com (Carcharoth)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:27:52 +0100
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Your Wikipedia star, David Shankbone
In-Reply-To: <c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14b1e7be0904150405h4087a762ld1203527f7da131e@mail.gmail.com>
<c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <206791b10904150727w5b79c5a0m411364e9bd3f13b3@mail.gmail.com>

Can someone remind me of whether and how we deal with off-wiki
conduct? I followed some of the debates on this, but am not full up to
speed. What does it actually say in our policies, for example?

Yes, I agree blogs like that are bad, but is this one of those slippery slopes?

Carcharoth
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From jwales at wikia-inc.com Wed Apr 15 14:34:06 2009
From: jwales at wikia-inc.com (Jimmy Wales)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 10:34:06 -0400
Subject: [arbcom-l] Fwd: Your Wikipedia star, David Shankbone
In-Reply-To: <16032ea0904150723w1c1f9b2cn83e451c6fe889473@mail.gmail.com>
References: <14b1e7be0904150405h4087a762ld1203527f7da131e@mail.gmail.com> <c52819d30904150708j132f0916v309edaea375c1232@mail.gmail.com>
<16032ea0904150723w1c1f9b2cn83e451c6fe889473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49E5F05E.2040802@wikia-inc.com>


FloNight wrote:
> Why has he not been banned by the Community?


I think because he chooses his victims wisely is the main reason. A
terrible but sad truth is that people often have failures of objectivity
when someone unpopular (Kohs) is being picked on.

> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia)
> <newyorkbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Please see e-mail below. I consider Shankbone's conduct egregious and would
>> like to consider banning him.