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Deodand
post Thu 27th May 2010, 1:37pm
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deodand is David Gerard. Thanks for the tip offs people. Looks like the soldier wasp from the hive has invaded WR. No where's that insecticide? laugh.gif


I don't know if that's right or not.



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Deodands: Deodands are humanoids which look like handsome, muscular human men, but with "dead black lustreless skin and long slit eyes." They are strong, murderous, and carnivorous creatures, but can be killed with offensive spells, which they fear.



I wish I was that kind of deodand; being handsome and muscular would be nice. A deodand is a piece of personalty that kills someone, such as a horse kicking someone in the face. In the Good Ol Days ™ these deodands would be confiscated by a representative of the King and sold off, the money being used to pay for charitable or beneficial purposes to make up for the harm caused by the whole "death" thing. All nice and smiley, except it being the 16th century the money was normally spent on hookers, wine and the good life.
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A Horse With No Name
post Thu 27th May 2010, 3:23pm
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A deodand is a piece of personalty that kills someone, such as a horse kicking someone in the face.


And I was trying to stay out of this conversation. hrmph.gif

The keys to the Deodand lock aren't difficult to sort out. In fact, the choice of the "deodand" as a name pretty much gives it away. rolleyes.gif


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post Thu 27th May 2010, 5:32pm
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QUOTE(A Horse With No Name @ Thu 27th May 2010, 4:23pm) *

QUOTE(Deodand @ Thu 27th May 2010, 9:37am) *
A deodand is a piece of personalty that kills someone, such as a horse kicking someone in the face.


And I was trying to stay out of this conversation. hrmph.gif

The keys to the Deodand lock aren't difficult to sort out. In fact, the choice of the "deodand" as a name pretty much gives it away. rolleyes.gif


Well, yes. If one was paying attention to the identified user's recent editing activity, his (my?) choice of commenting here would also be explained.

How does a horse work locks?

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post Thu 27th May 2010, 6:03pm
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For that “unfresh” feeling …



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post Thu 27th May 2010, 7:52pm
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 27th May 2010, 6:29am) *

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Gerard's monster rangeblock STILL to this day stands as the peak of WP trying to get back at somebody in the real world who is thumbing their nose at it. It's a bigger rangeblock, covering more IP addresses used by real people, than WP ever tried to implement even against GRAWP.

How do those compare to the rangeblocks against me? Mike Umbricht blocked something like a quarter-million IPv4 addresses in Greater Boston, Mike Lifeguard blocked half a million IPv4 addresses nationwide, and Ottava block an astronomical number of IPv6 addresses worldwide to silence me.


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pinch.gif Ottava, you really are an incredible prick.
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post Thu 27th May 2010, 7:57pm
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 1:11am) *

Gerard's monster rangeblock STILL to this day stands as the peak of WP trying to get back at somebody in the real world who is thumbing their nose at it. It's a bigger rangeblock, covering more IP addresses used by real people, than WP ever tried to imiplement even against GRAWP.{{citation needed}}


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post Thu 27th May 2010, 10:04pm
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QUOTE(Jon Awbrey @ Thu 27th May 2010, 12:57pm) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 1:11am) *

Gerard's monster rangeblock STILL to this day stands as the peak of WP trying to get back at somebody in the real world who is thumbing their nose at it. It's a bigger rangeblock, covering more IP addresses used by real people, than WP ever tried to imiplement even against GRAWP.{{citation needed}}




At the time I understood Gerard's rangeblock to be on of those IPv4/8 blocks (class B), which means that it potentially blocks something like 255^3 = 16.58 million addresses. Of course, how many it really gets depends on who owns the blocks.

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post Thu 27th May 2010, 10:09pm
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That's a Class A network. Class B is IPv4/16.
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post Thu 27th May 2010, 10:38pm
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That's a Class A network. Class B is IPv4/16.

I believe Class B is 24 bits. The range of a rangeblock isn't counted the same way as the range of the network itself. One of these slash numbers is 32 bits minus the other. Thus, a block against a /24 Class B range (IPv4/24) would be a 32 bits - 24 bits = a "/8" rangeblock (the biggest WP allows its admins).

I know it's counterintitive, but the larger the /N number is for the range, the larger the range is, but the SMALLER the /N bit number of the rangeblock, the wider the rangeblock. Not the least of the problem is that "block" here is being used in two senses of the word, as in an (edit)block against a (number)block (bloc).

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[Edit] Okay, looking up the class system, I see that a /8 CIDR bloc covering a 24 bit range can either be labeled "256 B" or "1 A." So call the rangeblock of that whatever you like. It basically blocks IPv4 addresses of NNN.xxx.xxx.xxx for any x.
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post Fri 28th May 2010, 3:07am
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MIT has a Class A network, 18.xxx.xxx.xxx. The MIT Media Lab has a Class B Subnet, 18.85.xxx.xxx.

At home I use two Class C Subnets, 192.168.181.xxx and 192.168.182.xxx, of the Class B Private Network, 192.168.xxx.xxx.
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post Fri 28th May 2010, 3:10am
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It basically blocks IPv4 addresses of NNN.xxx.xxx.xxx for any x.


That's only 10 addresses.

In other words, the population of Utah.

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post Fri 28th May 2010, 3:46am
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 3:07am) *

MIT has a Class A network, 18.xxx.xxx.xxx. The MIT Media Lab has a Class B Subnet, 18.85.xxx.xxx.

At home I use two Class C Subnets, 192.168.181.xxx and 192.168.182.xxx, of the Class B Private Network, 192.168.xxx.xxx.

Don't confuse and mislead us with your dark IPv4 arts, necromancer!
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Confusion is the first step toward Enlightenment.

I'm installing one of these on Saturday, hooked up to a wireless access point, and accessed remotely with the help of dyndns.com.

But I'm just a sorcerer's apprentice.
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post Fri 28th May 2010, 4:44am
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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 10:38pm) *

I believe Class B is 24 bits. The range of a rangeblock isn't counted the same way as the range of the network itself. One of these slash numbers is 32 bits minus the other. Thus, a block against a /24 Class B range (IPv4/24) would be a 32 bits - 24 bits = a "/8" rangeblock (the biggest WP allows its admins).

The default setting (below) does not appear to be over-ridden on any project.
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    'IPv4' => 16, # Blocks larger than a /16 (64k addresses) will not be allowed
    'IPv6' => 64, # 2^64 = ~1.8x10^19 addresses
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Have you seen any blocks larger than /16? That would imply some kind of duplicity and skulduggery.

Well, I have heard some apocryphal anecdotes about an admin blocking 0.0.0.0/0 on a bad day, evidently before Feb. 2004 (and perhaps immediately so).

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I know it's counterintitive, but the larger the /N number is for the range, the larger the range is, but the SMALLER the /N bit number of the rangeblock, the wider the rangeblock.

Yet somehow the button will block the same range denoted by the numbers you enter, so your sentence doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. huh.gif

Having been a victim of "collateral damage" myself I decided one day to figure out how they work. The simplest explanation is that blocking A.B.C.D/N affects all addresses which have the first N bits in common with A.B.C.D.

So if (WXYZ & RRRR) == (ABCD & RRRR)—where "&" is the bitwise AND (or "B&" jajaja) operator and RRRR is a bit-mask composed of N ones and (32 − N) zeroes—then W.X.Y.Z cannot edit.

The A.B.C.D in question need not be first IP in the range denoted by A.B.C.D/N, but it is customary to write it that way.

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 12:52pm) *
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He'll have to get a whole lot prickier to even approach Gerard's staggering levels of prick.
(And don't forget that Gerard's "wife" still plays with dolls.)

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QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 7:52pm) *

QUOTE(Moulton @ Thu 27th May 2010, 6:29am) *

QUOTE(Milton Roe @ Thu 27th May 2010, 1:11am) *
Gerard's monster rangeblock STILL to this day stands as the peak of WP trying to get back at somebody in the real world who is thumbing their nose at it. It's a bigger rangeblock, covering more IP addresses used by real people, than WP ever tried to implement even against GRAWP.

How do those compare to the rangeblocks against me? Mike Umbricht blocked something like a quarter-million IPv4 addresses in Greater Boston, Mike Lifeguard blocked half a million IPv4 addresses nationwide, and Ottava block an astronomical number of IPv6 addresses worldwide to silence me.


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Ottava: I have become death, destroyer of IP access


pinch.gif Ottava, you really are an incredible prick.



The link didn't work for me, but that sounds like something I would have said in response. Moulton was freaking out that night when I blocked IPv6 and my response was just to go: "Mwah ha ha ha ha ha!"
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QUOTE(Ottava @ Fri 28th May 2010, 4:04pm) *
The link didn't work for me...

I sent you the post in a PM.
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QUOTE(Moulton @ Fri 28th May 2010, 8:51pm) *

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The link didn't work for me...

I sent you the post in a PM.


My PMs were disabled in the process of a moderator trying to humiliate me by disabling any ability for me to defend myself as I was lied about. So, I don't have any.
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