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The ‘Undue Weight’ of Truth on Wikipedia

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By Timothy Messer-Kruse • For the past 10 years I've immersed myself in the details of one of the most famous events in American labor history, the Haymarket riot and trial of 1886. Along the way I've written two books and a couple of articles about the …
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I was waiting for some drone to make this argument:

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Putting that kind of external pressure on an article, even if he is factually correct and has sources to back up his argument, sounds like a pretty basic case of conflict of interest to me.


Is this an poor attempt at humor? It almost reads like parody.
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QUOTE(iii @ Thu 16th February 2012, 3:37am) *

I was waiting for some drone to make this argument:

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Putting that kind of external pressure on an article, even if he is factually correct and has sources to back up his argument, sounds like a pretty basic case of conflict of interest to me.


Is this an poor attempt at humor? It almost reads like parody.

It's a natural extension of having a belief that any knowledge of a subject disqualifies you from editing and COI is a way of expressing that. One day, we will see the combination of COI, OWN and 3RR and we will find that anyone who has made more than three edits to an article will be banned from Wikipedia for taking undue interest in what they are editing.
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 16th February 2012, 9:43am) *

QUOTE(iii @ Thu 16th February 2012, 3:37am) *

I was waiting for some drone to make this argument:

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Putting that kind of external pressure on an article, even if he is factually correct and has sources to back up his argument, sounds like a pretty basic case of conflict of interest to me.


Is this an poor attempt at humor? It almost reads like parody.

It's a natural extension of having a belief that any knowledge of a subject disqualifies you from editing and COI is a way of expressing that. One day, we will see the combination of COI, OWN and 3RR and we will find that anyone who has made more than three edits to an article will be banned from Wikipedia for taking undue interest in what they are editing.

One argument that has so far been neglected is that the article in the Chronicle was a clear WP:CANVASSING violation. It was clearly a non-neutral message, and it was directed at a select audience – scholars – that might be supportive of the poster's stance, and has led to an influx of new editors who had no prior interest in the article. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/fear.gif)

Discussion is still rumbling on on the Foundation list. Mike Godwin has involved himself with a few posts.
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Wed 22nd February 2012, 9:01am) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Thu 16th February 2012, 9:43am) *

QUOTE(iii @ Thu 16th February 2012, 3:37am) *

I was waiting for some drone to make this argument:

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Putting that kind of external pressure on an article, even if he is factually correct and has sources to back up his argument, sounds like a pretty basic case of conflict of interest to me.


Is this an poor attempt at humor? It almost reads like parody.

It's a natural extension of having a belief that any knowledge of a subject disqualifies you from editing and COI is a way of expressing that. One day, we will see the combination of COI, OWN and 3RR and we will find that anyone who has made more than three edits to an article will be banned from Wikipedia for taking undue interest in what they are editing.

One argument that has so far been neglected is that the article in the Chronicle was a clear WP:CANVASSING violation. It was clearly a non-neutral message, and it was directed at a select audience – scholars – that might be supportive of the poster's stance, and has led to an influx of new editors who had no prior interest in the article. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/fear.gif)

Discussion is still rumbling on on the Foundation list. Mike Godwin has involved himself with a few posts.


It's getting some airtime on NPR. From Andrew Lih:

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(Wednesday) I'll be on NPR's Talk
of the Nation radio show with Timothy Messer-Kruse himself, to talk
about his experiences.

Tune in, and feel free to send questions/comments my way (that are helpful!)


Keep the pressure on and maybe we can get more people to realize that having the unwashed in charge of one of the highest ranking sites on Google is not a good thing.
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iii   I have quoted some of this fantastic article in co...  
dogbiscuit   This is what happens when crowdsourcing is used a...  
thekohser   From the excerpted text, it certainly does sound l...  
HRIP7   His account is MesserKruse. From his talk page: ...  
Malik Shabazz   Regretfully, I haven't finished reading Timoth...  
thekohser   Short of blowing up the encyclopedia (and I know ...  
Malik Shabazz   [quote name='Malik Shabazz' post='297745' date='M...  
nableezy   By the way, the entire article has been posted he...  
thekohser   [quote name='Malik Shabazz' post='297750' date='M...  
iii   [quote name='nableezy' post='297756' date='Mon 13...  
lilburne   :[ When has the "spirit of fair use" ...  
mbz1   It is actually quite a funny, or should I say ...  
iii   Short of blowing up the encyclopedia (and I know s...  
iii   And then we get idiotic commentary like this. App...  
mbz1   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wi...  
iii   Source-scolding of a very ignorant sort seems to b...  
mbz1   And for the record Here's a post at Gwen Gale...  
mbz1   Keep the pressure on and maybe we can get more ...  
thekohser   Please forgive my ignorance, but could you please...  
SB_Johnny   Keep the pressure on and maybe we can get more p...  
iii   Keep the pressure on and maybe we can get more...  
HRIP7   NPR audio and transcript here.  
mbz1   And yet another wikipidiot wrote http://en.wikiped...  
dogbiscuit   Note the battleground mentality. Surely the idea ...  
Fusion   they have got through the [b]rights of passage in...  
thekohser   they have got through the [b]rights of passage i...  
Fusion   [quote name='Fusion' post='298097' date='Fri 17th...  
Mister Die   The fact that Wikipedia to begin with allows peopl...  
Emperor   The fact that Wikipedia to begin with allows peop...  
SB_Johnny   The fact that Wikipedia to begin with allows peo...  
Emperor   [quote name='Emperor' post='298089' date='Fri 17t...  
Jon Awbrey   RE: The ‘Undue Weight’ of Truth on Wikipedia  
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SB_Johnny   Jimbo apparently thinks it's to his advantage ...  
lilburne   "The Great Unwashed" but it might also r...  
Michaeldsuarez   One argument that has so far been neglected is th...  
EricBarbour   Just a minor followup: Here are the schmucks on M...  
lilburne   Just a minor followup: [url=http://www.metafilte...  


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