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The "LaRouche 1" ArbCom case established that "Original work which originates from Lyndon LaRouche and his movement may be removed from any Wikipedia article in which it appears other than the article Lyndon LaRouche and other closely related articles," and that "Wikipedia users who engage in re-insertion of original research which originated with Lyndon LaRouche and his movement or engage in edit wars regarding insertion of such material shall be subject to ban upon demonstration to the Arbitration Committee of the offense."

Ah, but what constitutes "Original work which originates from Lyndon LaRouche and his movement"? This phrase has acquired a remarkably elastic definition. Consider this quote from Pope John Paul II, removed by Will Beback as "LaRouche-sourced material," although there is no source cited. Presumably most pronouncements by the Pope get published by the Vatican, although we don't know in this case.

Increasingly, "Original work which originates from Lyndon LaRouche and his movement" has been taken to mean "opinions with which LaRouche might conceivably agree." Aside from Will Beback/Willmcw/User2004, the other hyper-vigilant defender against creeping LaRouchism is User:172, who waged a mammoth battle at the article "Privatization" to prevent inclusion of material on a conference on the privatization of national security functions ( see the lengthy debate on the talk page.) !72 argued that the material ought to be deleted because it sounded like something LaRouche might consider to be important. My edit, which triggered a revert war by 172, was sourced to the Princeton University transcript of the conference proceedings.

Recently, User:Tsunami Butler made a fruitless appeal to the ArbCom, which included an entertaining sampler of recent complaints on Will Beback's talk page. Predictably, this was ignored by the ArbCom.

In the course of the discussion, however, Will Beback announces his latest exploit, which I tracked down to the ANI archive. Will reverts two edits: one edit, in article "Laissez-faire," mentions George Schultz and Milton Friedman as laissez-fair advocates that went so far as to call for drug legalization. This edit was sourced to the Wikipedia articles on George Schultz and Milton Friedman, and sure enough, they did that. However, Will Beback pounces, calling it a "LaRouchism." Similarly, in the article "Free Trade," Will Beback comes to the rescue against an edit which references Henry Carey and Friedrich List, and includes a quote from William McKinley -- "remove LaRouche concepts," he writes. He also threatened to ban HonourableSchoolboy for that one.

So now, if you are an admin and you want to ban someone, you can accuse them of holding an opinion similar to one of LaRouche.
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John Train, according to his Who's Who in America (1984-85) entry, was "Founder, mng. editor Paris Review, 1952-54."

Paris Review, according to The New York Times, December 26, 1977, p. 37, was founded and funded by the CIA. Other founders of Paris Review were Peter Matthiessen and George Plimpton, both witting CIA agents. By 1987 John Train was president of the Afghanistan Relief Committee, which received money in 1985 and 1986 from the National Endowment for Democracy. NED was created by Congress to funnel money to foreign groups so that the CIA wouldn't have to create so many fronts and that kept getting exposed.

For Chip Berlet to even attend the John Train meetings about LaRouche, and rub shoulders with all those high-level spooks, indicates to me that he is in bed with them.

Yet good ol' SlimVirgin wrote on January 6, 2005:
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There's no evidence that Roy Godson is an intelligence operative and the weasel catch-all phrase "representatives from intelligence-linked funding sources" is typical Brandt and typical LaRouche.

Holy crap. Even a publication by Political Research Associates, Chip Berlet's propaganda factory, concedes that Godson is spook-connected:
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The Consortium is directed by NSIC Washington director Roy Godson, a consultant since 1982 to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, which oversees covert operations. He has also been a consultant to the National Security Council. The Consortium engages many current and retired intelligence agency employees.... (The Coors Connection by Russ Bellant, 1990, page 48, preface by Chip Berlet)

One might expect Chip Berlet to correct SlimVirgin's obvious error, but no, it serves his purpose in this case so he lets it go. It's all propaganda for Berlet and SlimVirgin, which means that it's all in the service of a higher purpose. Facts cannot be allowed to get in the way of the mission.
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Herschelkrustofsky   Searching for LaRouche under the bed  
nobs   Personally, I know little of LaRouche and have nev...  
JohnA   Incredibly there are people who are still convince...  
Jonathan   HK, could you give me some background as to who th...  
taiwopanfob   HK, could you give me some background as to who t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   HK, could you give me some background as to who t...  
nobs   [quote name='Jonathan' post='22618' date='Mon 12th...  
Herschelkrustofsky   On [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cb...  
nobs   Reagan adopted LaRouche's recommended verson o...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Reagan adopted LaRouche's recommended verson ...  
nobs   [quote name='Poetlister' post='22669' date='Mon 12...  
guy   The Duggan story, as it appeared in the British p...  
Herschelkrustofsky   The Duggan story, as it appeared in the British ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Are we on the same planet? I know Elizabeth Sym...  
nobs   She's linked to the CheneysBeware of employing...  
guy   She's linked to the Cheneys, procurred a big ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   HK, could you give me some background as to who t...  
Poetlister   Apart from this forum, I have only come across LaR...  
Herschelkrustofsky   :blink:  
nobs   :blink: HK, let's get Dan Brandt involved in t...  
Somey   I remember back in 1988, during one of his Preside...  
nobs   She was Minister for Defence Procurement so it was...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Nobs, whenever the issue of off-topic posting is r...  
nobs   Nobs, whenever the issue of off-topic posting is ...  
Somey   They are:neo-confederate anti-communist LaRouchie ...  
nobs   [quote name='nobs' post='23009' date='Sun 18th Feb...  
Somey   [/quote] Without specifically accusing you of quot...  
nobs   [quote name='nobs' post='23018' date='Sun 18th Fe...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Alright, back to the subject. I'd say that y...  
nobs   Well, HK, you & I have never had this discussi...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Can you clarify what you mean buy this. I'm ...  
guy   The ADL, like Berlet or Dennis King, is not the s...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Careful, HK - given that the ADL is a Jewish orga...  
nobs   Can you clarify what you mean buy this. I'm n...  
Poetlister   The ADL, like Berlet or Dennis King, is not the s...  
anon1234   Yet good ol' SlimVirgin wrote on January 6, 2...  
nobs   [i]Paris Review, according to The New York Times,...  
Herschelkrustofsky   John Train, according to his [i]Who's Who in ...  
Daniel Brandt   I think Ace Hayes probably used the term "Im...  
nobs   I think Ace Hayes probably used the term "I...  
Daniel Brandt   ADL had goons on its payroll when Irwin Suall ran ...  
nobs   ADL had goons on its payroll when Irwin Suall ran...  
nobs   There was a criminal case in California in 1993-9...  
Yehudi   All sorts of people collaborated with South Africa...  
nobs   If it weren't for the ADL, America would be a...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I'm no friend of Lady Symons, but she can...  
nobs   I am hard pressed to think of contemporary politi...  
guy   Suppose we just settle on "spooky," the...  
Herschelkrustofsky   this disambig page. [quote name='Herschelkrustofsk...  
nobs   I think that it is significant that this is the ar...  
Herschelkrustofsky   HK: I posted an account of the LaRouche/John Trai...  
omobomo   I am hard pressed to think of contemporary poli...  
Somey   Only if one is a knee-jerk supporter of the state ...  
guy   Of course, there's always George Galloway, t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   [quote name='omobomo' post='23186' date='Wed 21st...  
nobs   ...when the US Congress put an end to [url=http://...  
guy   I ask this hesitantly, out of curiosity, but keep...  
nobs   I ask this hesitantly, out of curiosity, but kee...  
anon1234   Doesn't that depend on where you're standi...  
Somey   "Masticates"? :huh:  
nobs   "Masticates"? :huh: Yah, chews up, de...  
Herschelkrustofsky   :blink:  
Daniel Brandt   I like George Galloway.  
Herschelkrustofsky   I like [url=http://www.namebase.org/galloway.html...  
nobs   [quote name='Daniel Brandt' post='23226' date='We...  
Poetlister   Guy, for instances, didn't disclose [i]why Ga...  
nobs   Galloway ...won his parliamentary seat ...in a vi...  
guy   That depends, if you consider deleting certain fa...  
nobs   [quote name='nobs' post='23240' date='Wed 21st Feb...  
Daniel Brandt   As usual, Nobs, you get everything half right, and...  
nobs   Spartacus has good information. They read books. T...  
guy   I've just discovered that no less a person tha...  
gomi   ... Lord Rees-Mogg is not someone whom I personal...  
Herschelkrustofsky   Well, there's a broad array of accusations her...  
guy   HK, you should know better than that. EIR is not ...  
Herschelkrustofsky   HK, you should know better than that. EIR is not...  
Herschelkrustofsky   I'm beginning to wonder whether there isn...  
Somey   I'm beginning to wonder whether there isn...  
It's the blimp, Frank   It looks like for the first time, a move by SlimVi...  
Herschelkrustofsky   It looks like for the first time, a move by SlimV...  
Somey   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVirgin/...  
Jonny Cache   [b][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVir...  
Herschelkrustofsky   [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVirgin...  
Uly   I am thinking of some way to protest this, not th...  
anon1234   I am thinking of some way to protest this, not t...  
Castle Rock   [b][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SlimVir...  
Derktar   Interesting that the page was deleted in June, had...  
gomi   Don't forget about http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...  
Somey   Blame Turkey? Anyway, that's probably my faul...  
Kato   172 is fingering what seems to be another innocent...  
nobs   172 is fingering what seems to be another innocen...  
Herschelkrustofsky   172 is fingering what seems to be another innocen...  
It's the blimp, Frank   I've taken a look at Mbhiii's contributi...  
Somey   As I indicated way, way back at the beginning of t...  
Herschelkrustofsky   The edit that 172 singles out is interesting, how...  
gomi   As if further evidence was needed, here is SlimeVi...  
papaya   Nah, there's no need for a conspiracy to expla...  
Cedric   Objectivism and libertarianism are the perfect po...  
papaya   There's no real social structure within the ad...  


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