Boy Scouts are for spanking?, More from Wales talk Options

[Peter Damian]

As part of the increasingly incestuous relationship between the Wales page and WR, see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...for_spanking.3F

Mr. Wales, it may be time for you to either pay more attention to what's happening with this Wikipedia/Wikia relationship, or begin setting down some rules at Wikia along the lines of, "Don't embarrass Wikia or the Wikipedia project with your actions on Wikia or Wikipedia." You'll wonder what I'm talking about? I'm delighted to see that Wikipedia has a GFDL image of some boys involved in the Boy Scouts mission. I'm not so delighted to see that photo copied into a Wikia called "Spanking Art", to enhance an article about Boy Scouts that reads:

While nowadays the Scouting movement prohibits the use of corporal punishment as part of its activities, this was not always so, and in spanking stories they often go hand in hand, especially with Beaver and Cub Scouts. There are also some spanking drawings that show young scouts, e.g. by Comixpank.

Because of the connotations of discipline that comes with scouting, some adult spankophiles like to roleplay/ageplay a boy or girl scout (similar to playing schoolboys).

Exactly what kind of perverts are Wikia and the Wikimedia Foundation enabling, by allowing them free and unfettered access to simple pictures of boys, that are then twisted and exploited on your for-profit company's website, so that they are interwoven into adult perversions and roleplay?

I know I'm not supposed to link there [direct link to WR, horrors], but you really ought to spend a minute or two reviewing this analysis of what's going on, before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation. - John Russ Finley (talk) 02:56, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I see he uses the word 'perverts' for which Giano was temporarily blocked, and I was indef blocked. Be careful John.

Is there a reason that you are complaining on Wikipedia when the problem you have is with Wikia? Another site is using our image (or rather the Wikimedia Commons' image) in accordance with copyright in a way that you find inappropriate. There is nothing that Wikipedia can do. Mr.Z-man 04:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I saw above that this is the place to praise Mr. Wales for his development of Wikia, Inc. I assumed that it would also be the place to bring criticisms of Wikia to light. - John Russ Finley (talk) 04:21, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hey and before you unwittingly spawn a worldwide boycott of Amazon.com, the primary investor in Wikia "Spanking Art", for being a pro-pedophilia corporation has got to be a WP:LEGAL if I saw one. I DEMAND a community ban (as Durova argued in my case).

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[Peter Damian]

See

http://spankingart.wikia.com/wiki/Web_group

Web groups, however, can also cause much frustration because practically all hosts (such as Yahoo! or MSN) regularly delete groups hosted by them without a warning or giving a reason. Such a deletion can be a catastrophe for the group's members -- like a bomb out of a blue sky it extinguishes all files, postings, the list of members, and all other content the group may have built in years of work, without any way to recover any of it. On inquiry, if they do reply at all, they will usually send a standardized reply that says the group "violated their Terms of Service" without specifying any details.

Hurrah for Wikia then!

Maybe David Shankbone (i.e. resident wikid reporter of spanksings-ons) can write up a report for Wikinews!!!

Is that Elonka with the glasses, then?

And it finally dawns on Rlevse

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...alk:Jimbo_Wales

that something ver' wrong here.

And now someone is really really getting it.

Jimbo, in his capacity with Wikia, certainly has the power to get rid of the image even if the use is legally permissible. I am not a lawyer either so I don't know if the use is permissible, but I'm certainly concerned about the possibilities. What do you think the odds are that any person involved in Scouting is going to contribute any Scouting-related photo if a company owned by Jimbo Wales is going to misuse those photos? I can tell you that if this photo stays up, I have contributed my last photo to Wikimedia projects. If this were a third party using it, ok, there isn't much that can be done, or at least whining about it here isn't going to accomplish anything. But it's a company founded/owned/run/whatever by Jimbo and he certainly has the power to do something about it. It's a question of moral obligations. I cannot speak to the legal obligations of personality rights - I am not a lawyer. --B (talk) 22:10, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Teh penny drops

The potential for abuse of images, making wiki look bad, condoning child porn here is huge. Please act, Jimbo. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
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[dogbiscuit]

In the UK, any adult has to be CRB checked (including my 18 year old daughter who has been in the sea scouts for several years and is now a helper). That is jargon for going to the criminal records bureau. That came about because of the Soham murders especially, where it turned out that a person who had come to the attention of the police several times had not been checked when applying to be a school caretaker.

Naively, but having being watching the zoophilia debate (shudder!) I have been CRB checked for being a guide dog puppy walker. It slowly dawns that it is not a joke after all.

The UK Scouting Organisation goes to great lengths to ensure there is a rigorous process to ensure not just physical safety on expeditions, but that there is also a process for parents to be reasonably confident that the people in charge of scouting groups are suitable, including parent helpers who would now be CRB checked even if going along to help with a supervised expedition.

If that was a picture of an English boy scout, the national organisation would be absolutely horrified and would take all possible measures to identify the person involved and ensure they were removed from the scouting organisation. I am not sure what the International relationship is between the organisations, but I am fairly sure that I could contact the right people in the UK to put pressure on both Wikia and The Scouting Association in America.

I am acutely aware that going public with the media is likely to go in the wrong direction: I am a great supporter of the Scouting Movement as a worthy organisation which has been a tremendous help to my family and I would hate this to end up harming them rather than Wikia.

I want to contact the UK movement, but I am not sure I can frame the right wording to translate the technicalities into plain English. Could we work together to come up with a standard letter? Basically it needs to say, "Watch out. Wikia is hosting material which both brings the scouting movement into disrepute and appears to be condoning and encouraging violence against children and sexual abuse."

I am assuming there is little point raising this with the UK police, though I am aware there is a UK branch of Wikia. It would be very interesting to know the legal position.

And in the words of Wikipedia, for all those Wikipedians browsing this, that is a legal threat. You are damaging an organisation I am proud for my family to be involved with. Pass the message on - this will get nasty.

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