Slim & Jay: Gone?, Linda and "Jay", bye Options

[WordBomb]

We know that Jayjg had the Onex page in his browser and accidentally pasted it onto wikipedia. We also know that he quickly used oversight to remove his error and that oversight is a tool that is meant to only be used to remove information that is libelous or which reveals personal information about someone. Why then, would Jayg so quickly use oversight to remove this link if it didn't give some sort of hint about his identity? My guess is that Jayjg is either an employee of Onex or of Gerry Schwartz or has some sort of other personal or professional link with them or with Schwartz' other main enterprise, the "Council on Israel Jewish Advocacy".

If that's true, then it's a good catch. But can you prove it?

I think that if there were a link between Jayjg and Onex, that the WP stub on Gerry Schwartz would be in better shape than it is.

[blissyu2]

We know that Jayjg had the Onex page in his browser and accidentally pasted it onto wikipedia. We also know that he quickly used oversight to remove his error and that oversight is a tool that is meant to only be used to remove information that is libelous or which reveals personal information about someone. Why then, would Jayg so quickly use oversight to remove this link if it didn't give some sort of hint about his identity? My guess is that Jayjg is either an employee of Onex or of Gerry Schwartz or has some sort of other personal or professional link with them or with Schwartz' other main enterprise, the "Council on Israel Jewish Advocacy".

If that's true, then it's a good catch. But can you prove it?

I think that if there were a link between Jayjg and Onex, that the WP stub on Gerry Schwartz would be in better shape than it is.

But wouldn't that be just too obvious?

[jorge]

I think that if there were a link between Jayjg and Onex, that the WP stub on Gerry Schwartz would be in better shape than it is.

He would be more likely to avoid it I think.

[BobbyBombastic]

I think that if there were a link between Jayjg and Onex, that the WP stub on Gerry Schwartz would be in better shape than it is.

He would be more likely to avoid it I think.

Or use a sock on it. Might be a good place to look.

[Tops]

...I really can't see how Wales is going to change his attitude to Israel/Palestine articles as his motivation for starting Wikipedia was clearly, and he even stated as much to destroy the established educational sources that he perceived had a Liberal/Academic bias on issues such as Israel/Palestine.

Where did Jimbo say that?

[Chris Croy]

I doubt Jay will be banned but it does look like he's tried the patience of his more senior allies. FloNight, who was basically Jay and SV's candidate for ArbComm, has turned against him and decided not to stand in the way of the case going to ArbComm. This is a major reversal!

Let's assume for a moment you're right: FloNight was a mere pawn of Jay and SV. IF we accept that as true, what makes you think accepting an arbcom case means she's going to act against Jay and SV? She could just as well use it as an opportunity to ban some of their opposition.

I suppose it can only be absolutely verified by another person with Oversight capacity who can examine Jay's oversights from July 31 immediately prior to 5:51 wikitime.

Not even another person with Oversight powers can see an oversighted edit. The only people who can do so are people with developer-level access to the server.

[LamontStormstar]

I hear rumors that Jayjg got fired. Is this true?

[blissyu2]

I hear rumors that Jayjg got fired. Is this true?

Fired from where? His job or Wikipedia? I didn't think he was in a paid position at Wikipedia.

[LamontStormstar]

I hear rumors that Jayjg got fired. Is this true?

Fired from where? His job or Wikipedia? I didn't think he was in a paid position at Wikipedia.

That he was booted off Wikipedia. If so, it's something silent.

[blissyu2]

That he was booted off Wikipedia. If so, it's something silent.

I think its too early to say such things.

[Jonny Cache]

I hereby award this thread the:

Most Naive Discussion Of The Wik Prize (MostNaive.WP).

It is just barely possible for wikiphreaks like Iago and Lady Mack to go on vacation for a couple of wiks, or even be Kourt-o'th'-Krimson-Kink-Ordered to a ½-way ½-wit house to dry out for 28 days or so, but it is simply Not A Possibility for them to go quietly into that state of massive decompensation that really and truly leaving the Wikphoundation Empire would mean for them.

If you believe that, then you probably believe that Rove & Rumsfeld are not still reading Dubya his lines.

So I'm guessing that one or both of two things have happened:

• They are both — if ever they were 2 — already augmenting the portfolios of some old parallel or sleeper accounts, even better protected than their former accounts — and notice how the diversions of Wikipufferphish have almost made the use of TOR defensible now, especially for "special" cases.
• They have been Wikipromoted to Wikipeterprince and Wikipeterprincess of Wikia, Inc.

Once a Prince or Princess in NORNIA,
Always a Prince or Princess in NORNIA.

Jonny

This post has been edited by Jonny Cache: Mon 13th August 2007, 11:02am

[jorge]

...I really can't see how Wales is going to change his attitude to Israel/Palestine articles as his motivation for starting Wikipedia was clearly, and he even stated as much to destroy the established educational sources that he perceived had a Liberal/Academic bias on issues such as Israel/Palestine.

Where did Jimbo say that?

He definitely said he wished to destroy the established reference sources and he is a "libertarian" which is basically a right wing anarchist. Put that together with the clear preferential treatment he has given to people like Jayjg and SlimVirgin and it's not really hard to to see his intentions.

So I'm guessing that one or both of two things have happened:[list]
[*] They are both — if ever they were 2 — already augmenting the portfolios of some old parallel or sleeper accounts, even better protected than their former accounts — and notice how the diversions of Wikipufferphish have almost made the use of TOR defensible now, especially for "special" cases.

Jonny

I already know which is Jay's meatpuppet (i.e. someone who he is telling what to do but not him personally making the edits) .

[gomi]

She's baaaaaaaack!

[blissyu2]

By her standards, that's still away. Only when I see her making 100 edits/day will I declare that she's *REALLY* back.

[Ampersand]

Why farming?

[blissyu2]

Why farming?

Factory farming is apparently cruelty to animals, according to SlimVirgin at least. So she had to abuse the 99% of editors who disagree with her, and then claim she was being bullied. Just because she insists its cruelty to animals, while everyone else in the world insists its not. She also needs the Wikipedia article to suggest its cruelty to animals.

[Kato]

Why farming?

Factory farming is apparently cruelty to animals, according to SlimVirgin at least. So she had to abuse the 99% of editors who disagree with her, and then claim she was being bullied. Just because she insists its cruelty to animals, while everyone else in the world insists its not. She also needs the Wikipedia article to suggest its cruelty to animals.

I don't think SV is alone in believing that factory farming is the biggest cause of cruelty to animals.

[Somey]

I'm afraid I have to agree in this case - factory farming, especially of pigs and chickens, is exceptionally nasty. It's often enough to turn people who see it close-up into vegetarians.

Personally I can't, or at least don't, fault Slimmy for her position(s) on animal rights... though the tactics are pretty much the same, of course.

[blissyu2]

Yeah well forgive my ignorance and my "I don't care!" attitude. I get meat, it tastes nice, ergo I eat it. I couldn't care less where it came from, and as far as I am concerned, its not my problem. However, in saying that, I would never be cruel to any sentient being, animal or person, not unless they did something awful of course. I had a cat bite me on the wrist once, so I kicked it up the backside in response. But I think that being cruel to sentient beings just for the sake of being cruel is wrong. However, I think that killing an animal for the sake of food is reasonable. When we have kept animals for food, we always made sure that they died quickly and painlessly, but we still killed them and ate them. I don't have a problem with that. So I guess you'd call me neutral on the whole issue. In other words, both animal rights people and farmers think I suck. lol. So I tend to stay out of the whole thing, way out. They are entitled to their opinions.

Many of my relatives (cousins etc) are big time in to animal rights, and as far as I know each and every one of them is a major drug addict. That doesn't necessarily mean that the two are related, but you know, they seem to be.

[JohnA]

I'm afraid I have to agree in this case - factory farming, especially of pigs and chickens, is exceptionally nasty. It's often enough to turn people who see it close-up into vegetarians.

Personally I can't, or at least don't, fault Slimmy for her position(s) on animal rights... though the tactics are pretty much the same, of course.

I don't blame Slim for her opinions on animal rights. I do blame her for censoring and slandering any other opinion other than her own.