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Michaeldsuarez
post Tue 28th February 2012, 5:17am
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Mon 27th February 2012, 3:21pm) *

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67609655:

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{{vk}} I see blue top and skin colour bikini bottom. What do you see? It illustrates a young girls Sukumizu with two parts. Seems to me she is even way past puberty. Honi soit qui mal y pense! --[[User:Paddy|Paddy]] ([[User talk:Paddy|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:31, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67610393:

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{{vk}}, agree with analysis by {{user|Niabot}}. And also {{user|Paddy}} has it right — it's a skin-colour bikini bottom. -- '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 20:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Why are these people claiming to know that it's a "skin-colour bikini bottom"? How do they know the intentions of the artist / uploader? Can they read the artist's mind from behind a computer screen? How many children wear skin-colored swimwear? How many parents want their children to be paraded around a school pool in skin-colored swimwear? The people on Commons are denying the obvious and are making up excuses for the uploader to use later.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67623145:

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{{vk}}:Uh...I think it's not child pornography, and users could use it on "Hentai" or "Ecchi".The quality is poor because it is created by mouse...--[[User:KOKUYO|KOKUYO]] ([[User talk:KOKUYO|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 03:48, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


This is a comment by the image's creator. The text in bold obviously indicates that it is supposed to be a bottomless lolicon. Paddy and Cirt are wrong.
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post Tue 28th February 2012, 12:34pm
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67632314

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I am appalled and disgusted at how Michaeldsuarez tells the closing sysop how to weigh Cirt's and my vote! --[[User:Paddy|Paddy]] ([[User talk:Paddy|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


Paddy is "appalled and disgusted" that I suggested that wrong assumptions should be weighed less.

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post Tue 28th February 2012, 12:41pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 28th February 2012, 5:17am) *

This is a comment by the image's creator. The text in bold obviously indicates that it is supposed to be a bottomless lolicon. Paddy and Cirt are wrong.

While it may be legal in some jurisdictions, as I have often pointed out, UK law deliberately closed the loophole of using artificial images to avoid pornography prosecutions and it would certainly be illegal in the UK. It doesn't really matter what Wikipedians say it is, it is down to a reasonable person's interpretation.

I think at some point Wikimedia will push the wrong buttons and it will be subject to a proper investigation. Jimbo panicked about it once, but did not solve the problem - the problem being the people running Commons who have a Free Culture attitude that is designed not to tolerate compromise. Now Jimbo is basing himself in the UK, he will find he cannot use the "they are not illegal" argument and his purge was long ago now to show that there was not the will to complete the task, it was for show.

The root cause of many of these problems is that wider Internet culture which makes it appear morally correct to defend freedoms of those who demand the right to indulge their whims. My biggest problem is that we see that WikiCulture gets dragged into the real world and here we have a group basically suggesting child porn is fine and it is a problem with the real world being closed minded or old fashioned.

In the real world I don't have a problem with people finding physically mature under-age teenagers sexually attractive, but then there is an adult responsibility not to take advantage of someone who might be mature physically but cannot be presumed to be mature mentally and socially (and an adult responsibility to discourage immature children from taking advantage of immature children, though Wikipedia culture seems to suggest that consensual underage sex is just educational). This is worse because it is encouraging sexual interest in children who are not mature physically, mentally or socially and people are being encouraged to believe that such interactions in the real world are right, proper and appropriate.
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post Tue 28th February 2012, 1:03pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 28th February 2012, 7:34am) *

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67632314

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I am appalled and disgusted at how Michaeldsuarez tells the closing sysop how to weigh Cirt's and my vote! --[[User:Paddy|Paddy]] ([[User talk:Paddy|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


Paddy is "appalled and disgusted" that I suggested that wrong assumptions should be weighed less.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67637614

Now Niabot is in denial. If the character really were wearing a "skin-colored bottom", then why did the image's creator KOKUYO suggest using the image on the "Hentai" or "Ecchi" articles? KOKUYO's suggestion only makes sense if the image were meant to be interpreted sexually, which would mean that the character is bottomless.

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post Tue 28th February 2012, 3:46pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Tue 28th February 2012, 7:34am) *

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I am appalled and disgusted at how Michaeldsuarez tells the closing sysop how to weigh Cirt's and my vote! --[[User:Paddy|Paddy]] ([[User talk:Paddy|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 12:11, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


Paddy is "appalled and disgusted" that I suggested that wrong assumptions should be weighed less.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67644913

Instead of admitting that he or she was wrong about the "skin-colored bottom" that he or she conjured without evidence, Paddy has opted instead to use personal attacks.

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post Tue 28th February 2012, 3:51pm
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Amazing. I post links to the "toothbrush" and "drinking" media search results in Commons and Wikipedia (returning a woman masturbating with a toothbrush and a porn performer drinking her urine, respectively, at the top of the search listing) on Jimbo's talk page, and within minutes, Fæ renames both files and speedies the originals.

I hope the curation effort doesn't stop there.
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post Tue 28th February 2012, 4:11pm
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Tue 28th February 2012, 10:51am) *

Amazing. I post links to the "toothbrush" and "drinking" media search results in Commons and Wikipedia (returning a woman masturbating with a toothbrush and a porn performer drinking her urine, respectively, at the top of the search listing) on Jimbo's talk page, and within minutes, Fæ renames both files and speedies the originals.

I hope the curation effort doesn't stop there.


Yes the place is over a decade old and still full of porn pics, but you just fixed it.
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post Tue 28th February 2012, 4:36pm
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QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Tue 28th February 2012, 3:51pm) *

Amazing. I post links to the "toothbrush" and "drinking" media search results in Commons and Wikipedia (returning a woman masturbating with a toothbrush and a porn performer drinking her urine, respectively, at the top of the search listing) on Jimbo's talk page, and within minutes, Fæ renames both files and speedies the originals.

I hope the curation effort doesn't stop there.

Don't worry, the fight back has already started.

Even more worryingly, Fae's on our side biggrin.gif I just can't keep up. wacko.gif
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post Tue 28th February 2012, 4:56pm
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QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 28th February 2012, 11:36am) *

QUOTE(HRIP7 @ Tue 28th February 2012, 3:51pm) *

Amazing. I post links to the "toothbrush" and "drinking" media search results in Commons and Wikipedia (returning a woman masturbating with a toothbrush and a porn performer drinking her urine, respectively, at the top of the search listing) on Jimbo's talk page, and within minutes, Fæ renames both files and speedies the originals.

I hope the curation effort doesn't stop there.

Don't worry, the fight back has already started.

Even more worryingly, Fae's on our side biggrin.gif I just can't keep up. wacko.gif

Metaphorical references to strange bedfellows should probably be avoided. tongue.gif
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post Wed 29th February 2012, 3:59am
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It is from jimbo's talk:
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And pity the person who is looking for a public domain recording of tolling bells in Commons . --JN466 04:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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post Wed 29th February 2012, 12:26pm
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67643667:

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I recommend to upload it at flickr.com licensed as CC-BY-SA, so that i can upload it at Commons because i think that it is a valuable addition for the content on Commons. Feel free to enjoy the irony. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">/人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人\</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 14:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


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PS: If you want't to keep the recolored version you will need to keep the original as well. This is enforced by the GFDL license which requires that the file history must be kept intact. Otherwise it would be a copyright violation.


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That alone wouldn't even be enough to comply to CC-BY-SA. The GFDL is even more restrictive. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">/人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人\</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 11:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


Niabot apparently enjoys gaming the system.

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post Wed 29th February 2012, 9:33pm
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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Wed 29th February 2012, 7:26am) *

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67643667:

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I recommend to upload it at flickr.com licensed as CC-BY-SA, so that i can upload it at Commons because i think that it is a valuable addition for the content on Commons. Feel free to enjoy the irony. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">/人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人\</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 14:44, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67681141:

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PS: If you want't to keep the recolored version you will need to keep the original as well. This is enforced by the GFDL license which requires that the file history must be kept intact. Otherwise it would be a copyright violation.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67684942:

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That alone wouldn't even be enough to comply to CC-BY-SA. The GFDL is even more restrictive. --[[User:Niabot| <span style="color:#000;white-space:nowrap">/人<span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span> ‿‿ <span style="color:#B0485F">◕</span>人\</span>]] [[User talk:Niabot|<span lang="ja">苦情処理係</span>]] 11:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


Niabot apparently enjoys gaming the system.


http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67699762:

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{{vk}} I fail to see any pornography in this and besides [[:en:Legal status of cartoon pornography depicting minors#United States]] states that there are no issues whatsoever to host any illustrations on Commons as long as they are not obscene. It is also in scope since some of the derivatives are in use. --[[User:Stefan4|Stefan4]] ([[User talk:Stefan4|<span class="signature-talk">talk</span>]]) 19:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)


It looks as if Niabot's "make a derivative in order to prevent the original from being deleted" strategy is paying off for him or her.
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QUOTE(mbz1 @ Wed 29th February 2012, 3:59am) *

It is from jimbo's talk:
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And pity the person who is looking for a public domain recording of tolling bells in Commons . --JN466 04:41, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


Just noting here that the search result for "tolling bells" in Wikipedia itself is even worse than it is in Commons.
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67740964

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...&oldid=67767595

Now Paddy (real name: Patrick-Emil Zörner, aka Paddyez, Email address: paddyez@yahoo.de) is simply asking for trouble.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Paddyez

Before anyone accuses me of outing, Paddy outed himself:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...+z%C3%B6rner%22

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Paddy

People believe that they could support child porn and get away from it while acting obnoxious.

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QUOTE(Michaeldsuarez @ Sun 4th March 2012, 3:37am) *

Before anyone accuses me of outing, Paddy outed himself:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...+z%C3%B6rner%22

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Paddy

People believe that they could support child porn and get away from it while acting obnoxious.

I hope that you are not intending to imply that Paddy supports child porn, because your statement could be interpreted in that way. I am sure that he has no interest in that type of thing. He seems to be just an average fellow with completely normal tastes.

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I hope that you are not intending to imply that Paddy supports child porn, because your statement could be interpreted in that way. I am sure that he has no interest in that type of thing. He seems to be just an average fellow with completely normal tastes.

Heh heh. For the clueless, Sankaku Complex is perv central for anime fans who like loli.
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Heh heh. For the clueless, Sankaku Complex is perv central for anime fans who like loli.


http://www.sankakucomplex.com/search/?gquery=wikipe-tan

The first result on that internal search engine... lol

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/04/11/w...sts-child-porn/
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:...and_votes/Paddy

Only an egotistical person would start a RfA with "I am infamous".

Paddy dewiki username is "Paddy":

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...392&oldid=32858

Paddy was a dewiki sysop:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...lock&user=Paddy

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...lete&user=Paddy

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...tect&user=Paddy

Angela desysopped him in April 2005 for some reason:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...APaddy%40dewiki

Edit: Perhaps the following was the reason:

http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...d=5335012#Paddy

Edit 2: Paddy was a Commons sysop as well:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?t...ge=User%3APaddy

Then he was desysopped due to inactivity:

http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?titl...y%40commonswiki

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Recent deletions in Commons:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:...ge_Scenario.png (the forced bondage fellatio image that was brought up on Jimbo's talk page)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:...otel_Karada.png

It turns out they were both from a lot grabbed off the "adorable-teens.net" porn site ...
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