The Chipster goes on strike, -- cabal in disarray? Options

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Fred Bauder is acting in a surprisingly NPOV fashion. Of course, the great thing about Fred is that he can turn on a dime.

[The Joy]

"Hardindr?"

Hmmm....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Chamber

Maybe not relevant. Maybe an attempt at WP:POINT by the Chipster?

[Herschelkrustofsky]

And, the latest: JzG claims that the Wikipedia Review is behind all of this. Another loyal reader!

[dtobias]

Fred Bauder is acting in a surprisingly NPOV fashion. Of course, the great thing about Fred is that he can turn on a dime.

I've long suspected he flips a coin every time he makes a comment, vote, proposal, or mailing list post, to decide whether to be completely fair and reasonable, or totally nutty. It's similar to how the Batman villain Twoface flips a coin to decide whether to be good or evil.

[nobs]

JzG says

Will has been tireless in monitoring this issue. Will is regarded with great respect by those who are not fighting one or the other corner of this fight, and I do indeed urge ArbCom to look into his actions, to support them, and to congratulate him on a difficult job, done well and against very considerable opposition.

In relation to the Motion brought by Fred on my behalf,

1. I voted for Will for Admin, 21 June 2005.

2. I encouraged another user in the Nobs, et al case to settle his differences with Will

3. I declared on this Forum, 16th January 2007, " I would have voted for Will Beback for Arb if I had been allowed to back in December."

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Fred Bauder is acting in a surprisingly NPOV fashion. Of course, the great thing about Fred is that he can turn on a dime.

I've long suspected he flips a coin every time he makes a comment, vote, proposal, or mailing list post, to decide whether to be completely fair and reasonable, or totally nutty. It's similar to how the Batman villain Twoface flips a coin to decide whether to be good or evil.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

Another interesting wrinkle in all this is the relatively sane role played by Thatcher131. What do we know about him/her? I am inclined to nominate Thatch for the next Honest Admins awards dinner.

[Somey]

What do we know about him/her? I am inclined to nominate Thatch for the next Honest Admins awards dinner.

We know he doesn't like WR much, for one thing... though he clearly does read much of what's discussed here.

You're presumably referring to this ArbCom Clerk's statement, correct? My assumption would be that Mr. Thatcher, being a right-winger himself, resents Berlet's and King's characterization of Larouche as a right-wing extremist ideologue/demagogue, or whatever right-wing (insert epithet here) thing they happen to be calling him this week. Other than that, he's just stating the obvious - Berlet and King are obviously as far from "neutral" as it's possible to get on the subject.

[Daniel Brandt]

Another interesting wrinkle in all this is the relatively sane role played by Thatcher131. What do we know about him/her? I am inclined to nominate Thatch for the next Honest Admins awards dinner.

Sorry, but I'll have to vote against that: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=107602592

I don't know who he is, but I know where he is. He's in Rochester, New York.

http://auralmoon.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329

From hostmask search:
Thatcher-131 (n=Thatcher@cpe-72-226-224-86.rochester.res.rr.com) 72.226.224.86 | ROAD RUNNER * UNITED STATES
Thatcher (n=Thatcher@urmc-nat18.urmc.rochester.edu) 128.151.71.18 | UNIVERSITY OF ROCHESTER * UNITED STATES

[GlassBeadGame]

Another interesting wrinkle in all this is the relatively sane role played by Thatcher131. What do we know about him/her? I am inclined to nominate Thatch for the next Honest Admins awards dinner.

Sorry, but I'll have to vote against that: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=107602592

"Bloody brilliant."

[guy]

I don't know who he is, but I know where he is. He's in Rochester, New York.

There are quite a few WP people round there. Why has nobody accused them of being all socks?

[jorge]

You're presumably referring to this ArbCom Clerk's statement, correct? My assumption would be that Mr. Thatcher, being a right-winger himself, resents Berlet's and King's characterization of Larouche as a right-wing extremist ideologue/demagogue, or whatever right-wing (insert epithet here) thing they happen to be calling him this week. Other than that, he's just stating the obvious - Berlet and King are obviously as far from "neutral" as it's possible to get on the subject.

Somey I don't think you could call LaRouche right wing, he's more on the lines of extreme marxist left.

[Yehudi]

Somey I don't think you could call LaRouche right wing, he's more on the lines of extreme marxist left.

I don't think that his views are inteelectually coherent enough to be placed on the right-left scale.

And to think that if it weren't for Wikipedia, I'd never have heard of him. Isn't Wikipedia great!

[jorge]

Somey I don't think you could call LaRouche right wing, he's more on the lines of extreme marxist left.

I don't think that his views are inteelectually coherent enough to be placed on the right-left scale.

And to think that if it weren't for Wikipedia, I'd never have heard of him. Isn't Wikipedia great!

I'm not so sure, the extreme marxist left in the UK is known for being anti-environmentalist like LaRouche and being homophobic- a quote from Larouche:

"They did not want, on the one hand, to estrange the votes of a bunch of faggots and cocaine sniffers, the organized gay lobby, as it's called in the United States. (I don't know why they're "gay", they're the most miserable creatures I ever saw!"

[Herschelkrustofsky]

I don't think that his views are inteelectually coherent enough to be placed on the right-left scale.

And to think that if it weren't for Wikipedia, I'd never have heard of him. Isn't Wikipedia great!

Well, it's no secret that I consider Wikipedia to be an Unreliable Source on the subject of LaRouche. My personal take is that LaRouche's views are not simplistic enought to be placed on the right-left scale. I am generally unimpressed by both Rightists and Leftists.

[Somey]

Well, it's no secret that I consider Wikipedia to be an Unreliable Source on the subject of LaRouche. My personal take is that LaRouche's views are not simplistic enought to be placed on the right-left scale.

Exactimundo! Depending on who you talk to, Larouche is either "impossible to poitically categorize," or "ideologically incoherent," or simply "all over the frickin' place." I tend to hold the latter view of him, myself...

Anyhoo, the way I see it, Berlet & Co. are accusing Larouche of being a fascist mostly because Larouche has been accusing them of being fascists. Larouche has probably accused almost everybody of being fascists at some point or other, but some people take it all personal-like, I guess...

More to the point, this "Case of Walter Lippmann" book is chock-full of claims and theories that seem designed specifically to really, really piss off all sorts of people. There's the Rockefellers, "Atlanticists," "Fabians" (presumably a code-word for British socialist intellectuals and their ilk), "monetarists," "aristotelians" (always lower-cased!), "proto-Tories," "Neo-Fabians" (whose ranks supposedly include Noam Chomsky), "heteronomists" (evidently this was his word for cultural-diversity advocates), environmentalists, drug addicts, the Carter Administration, the UN, the Tudors, the Hapsburgs, Albrecht von Wallenstein, Oliver Wendell Holmes, Andrew Jackson, Milton Friedman, Interpol (not the band, though he probably wouldn't have liked them either), "non-Euclidians" (I wonder if he read any H.P. Lovecraft?)... the guy attacks both ends of the political spectrum and the middle too, all at the same time! And to top it all off, here's what Lyndon Larouche says about Martin Luther:

Although the protestant leaders who defended and led the German peasants of the early sixteenth century were honest protestants, at that point Martin Luther himself was not primarily a religious leader, but a religious figure who had become also a conscious pawn and political agent of the Fugger and related interests. Hence, Luther could earlier oppose the papacy for looting Germany, and yet, consistently, support the destruction of entire sections of the German economy by the Fuggers. In that respect, Martin Luther of the period following the Diet of Worms was consciously a "political intelligence" agent, of a monetarist-feudal faction, whose crimes in that respect rank in principle with those of Joseph Goebbels.

For context, note that "Fugger" refers to an Augsburg-based Christian banking family, and also that at this point in the book, the editor/proofreader has obviously given up and allows Larouche to use the phrase "in that respect" redundantly in the same sentence.

Either way, this anti-Luther connect-the-dots rhetoric is straight out of the Jayjg/SlimVirgin playbook. Slimmy and Mantanweissland could have practically written it themselves.

Nevertheless, I'd be lying if I stated that there isn't any material in there that could be interpreted as anti-Semitic if cherry-picked, because there is. But only if cherry-picked. The problem for people like Dennis King and Chip Berlet is that if they want to bash Larouche, they have to make the case that he's anti-semitic, racist, and homophobic - because those are their constituencies, and not enough people are going to be offended by his tirades against "neo-Fabians" and "monetarists."

[Jonny Cache]

Ha Ha, we made you say "Fuggers" —

Jonny

[Kato]

I've moved an offtopic discussion about Conservapedia and the Democrats to the Politics forum

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=13390

[Somey]

Ha Ha, we made you say "Fuggers"...

Imagine what it must have been like for the wives. As soon as one of 'em has a kid, suddenly she's "Mother Fugger."

[Jonny Cache]

Ha Ha, we made you say "Fuggers" …

Imagine what it must have been like for the wives. As soon as one of 'em has a kid, suddenly she's "Mother Fugger".

And when her kinder have kinder she becomes a Großmutter Fugger.

Jonny