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Posted by: The Wales Hunter

Too much detail to go into here, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal on Wiki. Of course, they're an admin... blink.gif

Posted by: dtobias

And they even got the domain name http://www.bathrobecabal.org/ to use as a redirect to this page. (Congrats on them for having sufficient cluefulness to use a .org top level domain for this organization page instead of a silly .com address.)

Posted by: Jonny Cache

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:05am) *

And they even got the domain name http://www.bathrobecabal.org/ to use as a redirect to this page. (Congrats on them for having sufficient cluefulness to use a .org top level domain for this organization page instead of a silly .com address.)


I think we have just found DT's obsession. I know his «com.org.ism» doesn't look like much, but I'm sure it betokens untold secrets.

Jonny cool.gif

Posted by: The Wales Hunter

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal makes good reading, too.

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name. As someone mentions in the discussion, does that mean the next time their article is up for AFD, all they have to do is buy a domain name, redirect and it will be kept?

Posted by: Kato

What on earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong/Penguin_Cabal? Ryulong's "Penguin Cabal"?

Can someone dig up the post where Ryulong was deleting other people's user pages because they "took up disk space"? Does anyone remember that?

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:32am) *

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name.


I spent about $550 getting Wikipedia Review registered as a business entity in Pennsylvania, launching the website, and designing and buying letterhead, etc.

That didn't seem to carry any weight in Jimbo & Co.'s reinterpretation of what one "can" and "cannot" do on Wikipedia, after the fact.

Greg

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:00am) *

Too much detail to go into here, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal on Wiki. Of course, they're an admin... blink.gif


More like Facebook. You have to be a admin to join this creepy little club of losers. Still, this is a great spot WH.

Posted by: thekohser

QUOTE(GlassBeadGame @ Mon 28th January 2008, 11:26am) *

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:00am) *

Too much detail to go into here, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal on Wiki. Of course, they're an admin... blink.gif


More like Facebook. You have to be a admin to join this creepy little club of losers. Still, this is a great spot WH.


The other day, I spotted a WP User page that was completely decked out to emulate a Facebook profile. I should have mentioned it. Sorry, but there's no way I'd find it again, but it's out there, and I'm sure we'll see more copying it.

Greg

Posted by: Moulton

I saw that too, some weeks ago. An impressive achievement in geekly coding.

Posted by: dtobias

It's http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mike_Halterman&oldid=177531330, which has since removed that style.

Posted by: Error59

It was Gurch. He had it deleted in a fit of pique.

Posted by: Moulton

Gurch sounds about right.

Posted by: The Wales Hunter

Gurch quit because he refused to accept the essay Wikipedia is Failing...

Posted by: DoctorHver

QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:49pm) *

What on earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong/Penguin_Cabal? Ryulong's "Penguin Cabal"?

Can someone dig up the post where Ryulong was deleting other people's user pages because they "took up disk space"? Does anyone remember that?


He also privent pepole form moving them also. wacko.gif

But it is unlimneated truth that wikipedia is like MySpace it is full with buch of idots. blink.gif

* administrative note: removed duplicate post - Nathan

Posted by: Moulton

I think the word you are looking for is unmitigated.

Posted by: LaraLove

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:32am) *

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal makes good reading, too.

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name. As someone mentions in the discussion, does that mean the next time their article is up for AFD, all they have to do is buy a domain name, redirect and it will be kept?


Actually, I didn't register the domain. That was the_undertow, so perhaps you should start another thread on him. He's actually way more MySpace on wiki than I am. Good times. Does this mean I've "made it"? No? Damn.

Posted by: GlassBeadGame

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 28th January 2008, 4:24pm) *

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:32am) *

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal makes good reading, too.

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name. As someone mentions in the discussion, does that mean the next time their article is up for AFD, all they have to do is buy a domain name, redirect and it will be kept?


Actually, I didn't register the domain. That was the_undertow, so perhaps you should start another thread on him. He's actually way more MySpace on wiki than I am. Good times. Does this mean I've "made it"? No? Damn.


You understand that we think your page is a symptom of dysfunction, right?

Posted by: Derktar

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 28th January 2008, 1:24pm) *

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:32am) *

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal makes good reading, too.

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name. As someone mentions in the discussion, does that mean the next time their article is up for AFD, all they have to do is buy a domain name, redirect and it will be kept?


Actually, I didn't register the domain. That was the_undertow, so perhaps you should start another thread on him. He's actually way more MySpace on wiki than I am. Good times. Does this mean I've "made it"? No? Damn.

Welcome LaraLove. Unfortunately you'll have to ramp up the abuse if you want to get mentioned here more.

Posted by: KamrynMatika

This has got to be the most retarded thing I've seen with a while. 'Creepy little club of losers' sounds about right, GBG.

Posted by: dogbiscuit

Lara

Now you are here, I suggest you have a good read of this thread, and then decide whether your user page is such a good idea.

To be clear, that is not a threat of future vandalism by me or anyone else, just some friendly advice having had my eyes opened. Fortunately Jimbo's spanking site is no more.

Oh, and after you have looked back at Wikipedia, think about where else you have shared your personal information so prominently under GFDL.

Posted by: Eva Destruction

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:31pm) *

Lara

Now you are here, I suggest you have a good read of this thread, and then decide whether your user page is such a good idea.

To be clear, that is not a threat of future vandalism by me or anyone else, just some friendly advice having had my eyes opened. Fortunately Jimbo's spanking site is no more.

Oh, and after you have looked back at Wikipedia, think about where else you have shared your personal information so prominently under GFDL.

What he's (I assume) alluding to here, is that photos of children posted on Wikipedia/Commons regularly turn up on some highly dubious sites, and Wikimedia doesn't have the ability/inclination (delete according to your opinion of Jimbo) to prosecute image abusers and/or stalkers. That is not a threat, just a warning that these things do happen.

Posted by: LaraLove

QUOTE(Eva Destruction @ Mon 28th January 2008, 7:07pm) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:31pm) *

Lara

Now you are here, I suggest you have a good read of this thread, and then decide whether your user page is such a good idea.

To be clear, that is not a threat of future vandalism by me or anyone else, just some friendly advice having had my eyes opened. Fortunately Jimbo's spanking site is no more.

Oh, and after you have looked back at Wikipedia, think about where else you have shared your personal information so prominently under GFDL.

What he's (I assume) alluding to here, is that photos of children posted on Wikipedia/Commons regularly turn up on some highly dubious sites, and Wikimedia doesn't have the ability/inclination (delete according to your opinion of Jimbo) to prosecute image abusers and/or stalkers. That is not a threat, just a warning that these things do happen.


I've got pics of my kids up on a couple sites. There are pics of kids on baby sites, magazine websites, hospital and school websites. I'm not worried about it. I'm also not worried about what personal information I have made available. But thanks for the concern. As for the BRC, I don't really care what people think. We find it amusing. We're a group of admins that don't take the site or the "position" too seriously and mock those that do, basically. It mocks the "admin cabal", to put it simply.

Posted by: Jonny Cache

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Mon 28th January 2008, 4:24pm) *

QUOTE(The Wales Hunter @ Mon 28th January 2008, 10:32am) *

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/User:LaraLove/Bathrobe_Cabal makes good reading, too.

Apparently, a reason to keep is was because otherwise LaraLove would have wasted cash on registering the domain name. As someone mentions in the discussion, does that mean the next time their article is up for AFD, all they have to do is buy a domain name, redirect and it will be kept?


Actually, I didn't register the domain. That was the_undertow, so perhaps you should start another thread on him. He's actually way more MySpace on wiki than I am. Good times. Does this mean I've "made it"? No? Damn.


Welcome to the Fray.

Because the Review is a very diverse community, you are likely to get many splintered spins on this issue.

For my part, I always thought that it was a good idea if people could have a bit of personal office space, with potted plants and posters and plenty of laughs at the water cooler.

But I hope you understand that many of the people you are talking to here have had the very distressing experience of seeing what they regarded as their personal spaces violated by Mobs Of Brown Shirts (MOBS) who call themselves Wikipedia Administrators for decorating those spaces with far less elaborate luxuries than you have managed to indulge yourself with.

People who have been abused in this way are likely to regard this situation as yet another proof of the double standard, the favoritism, the hypocrisy, the inconsistency, and the all-round unfairness with which we find Wikipedia so rife.

Jon Awbrey

Posted by: LaraLove

QUOTE(Jonny Cache @ Mon 28th January 2008, 11:42pm) *

Welcome to the Fray.

Because the Review is a very diverse community, you are likely to get many splintered spins on this issue.

For my part, I always thought that it was a good idea if people could have a bit of personal office space, with potted plants and posters and plenty of laughs at the water cooler.

But I hope you understand that many of the people you are talking to here have had the very distressing experience of seeing what they regarded as their personal spaces violated by Mobs Of Brown Shirts (MOBS) who call themselves Wikipedia Administrators for decorating those spaces with far less elaborate luxuries than you have managed to indulge yourself with.

People who have been abused in this way are likely to regard this situation as yet another proof of the double standard, the favoritism, the hypocrisy, the inconsistency, and the all-round unfairness with which we find Wikipedia so rife.

Jon Awbrey

I feel ya. I'm right there with ya. I don't like the stuffy admins, and they know as much. I def don't fall in that cat. I had Editor for Deletion (WP:EFD) after the original from User:R was deleted. That was drama. I gave it away. I don't care enough to be bothered by what people put on their userpages and subpages. As long as it doesn't violate any real policy, like CIV, NPA, and BLP.

I did want to note, 'cause I thought it funny considering that the thread is titled "Wikipedia is not MySpace", that my userpage was actually mentioned on a radio station in the UK this month as being "Better than a MySpace one." Good times.

LaraLove

Posted by: Nathan

The layout is pretty spiffy, I have to admit.

Posted by: dogbiscuit

QUOTE(LaraLove @ Tue 29th January 2008, 4:06am) *

I've got pics of my kids up on a couple sites. There are pics of kids on baby sites, magazine websites, hospital and school websites. I'm not worried about it. I'm also not worried about what personal information I have made available. But thanks for the concern. As for the BRC, I don't really care what people think. We find it amusing. We're a group of admins that don't take the site or the "position" too seriously and mock those that do, basically. It mocks the "admin cabal", to put it simply.


Okie, dokie. Over the weekend, I was rather taken aback by just how far the abuse site hosted by Wikia Inc had gone and had joined the flippant response to WR together with that. Odd little notes about personalities on your page also flagged a concern.

There are some nasty people around and I would be careful about wearing the "notable to WR" badge with pride. The user page is a fun and innocent reason to be here. WR enjoys observing the inconsistencies of Wikipedia and how some people get chased away for having fun, and others, usually admins, it is allowed. It is one of the little power games that get played to keep the innocent editors in their place.

However, some people do not approve of fraternising with the enemy, and it just just struck me that your happy go lucky ways might lead you into trouble without realising it.

Anyway, welcome. A new perspective is always refreshing. Lots of very serious people here.

Posted by: Lar

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 29th January 2008, 3:16am) *

However, some people do not approve of fraternising with the enemy, and it just just struck me that your happy go lucky ways might lead you into trouble without realising it.


Hey! I'm happy go lucky, how come I didn't get that warning when I turned up here? Double standard indeed... smile.gif

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)

Posted by: dogbiscuit

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:48am) *

QUOTE(dogbiscuit @ Tue 29th January 2008, 3:16am) *

However, some people do not approve of fraternising with the enemy, and it just just struck me that your happy go lucky ways might lead you into trouble without realising it.


Hey! I'm happy go lucky, how come I didn't get that warning when I turned up here? Double standard indeed... smile.gif

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)


Well, for a start, you were wise in the Ways of WikiPolitics before you arrived here. And I am older and wiser than a month ago. blink.gif

I haven't really made up my mind on whether Wikipedia being a social network a bad thing. It doesn't worry me overly, and I think life should be fun. If fun and social networking is a tool to build an encyclopedia, then I'd rather encourage that than WikiDrama. Networking probably is not an effective tool, and it simply becomes another area to legislate and control people over with the current politics. Where networks have a purpose, for example, the many projects, they seem to struggle with doing the right thing due to self-reinforcement in the long term.

Posted by: guy

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:48am) *

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)

Just in case anyone wants to judge for themselves:

FORUM Image

Lar is eitther the orange chap in the middle or the bearded one at the back.

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(guy @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:31pm) *

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:48am) *

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)

Just in case anyone wants to judge for themselves:

FORUM Image

Lar is eitther the orange chap in the middle or the bearded one at the back.

The kid in the orange at the front is the WikiMediaFoundation's new legal adviser and general counsel.

Posted by: BobbyBombastic

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:48am) *


Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe...

I guess you haven't looked at http://www.wikipedia-watch.org/hivemind.html lately... unsure.gif



























just kidding cool.gif

Posted by: the_undertow

QUOTE(Kato @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:38pm) *

QUOTE(guy @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:31pm) *

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:48am) *

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)

Just in case anyone wants to judge for themselves:

FORUM Image

Lar is eitther the orange chap in the middle or the bearded one at the back.

The kid in the orange at the front is the WikiMediaFoundation's new legal adviser and general counsel.


All this over userspace? I think that defending myself about 'not being a loser' is probably a loser thing to do, so hey, what the fuck, this thread is pretty rad. I like it here.

Posted by: DoctorHver

Here is the unlimneted proof that Wikipedia is MySpace:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales

Posted by: Kato

QUOTE(the_undertow @ Tue 29th January 2008, 7:16pm) *

QUOTE(Kato @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:38pm) *

QUOTE(guy @ Tue 29th January 2008, 6:31pm) *

QUOTE(Lar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:48am) *

Perhaps it's because you will find no pics of me in a bathrobe on my user page (for which readers are grateful, I am sure)

Just in case anyone wants to judge for themselves:

FORUM Image

Lar is eitther the orange chap in the middle or the bearded one at the back.

The kid in the orange at the front is the WikiMediaFoundation's new legal adviser and general counsel.


All this over userspace? I think that defending myself about 'not being a loser' is probably a loser thing to do, so hey, what the fuck, this thread is pretty rad. I like it here.

Grrrreat!

Posted by: tarantino

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:05pm) *

And they even got the domain name http://www.bathrobecabal.org/ to use as a redirect to this page. (Congrats on them for having sufficient cluefulness to use a .org top level domain for this organization page instead of a silly .com address.)


They're fretting about it over on wikien-l, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2008-January/089250.html

QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:49pm) *

What on earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong/Penguin_Cabal? Ryulong's "Penguin Cabal"?

Can someone dig up the post where Ryulong was deleting other people's user pages because they "took up disk space"? Does anyone remember that?


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Akira-otomo/UserBoxes/Penguin_Cabal.
QUOTE
04:54, 29 January 2008 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Akira-otomo/UserBoxes/Penguin Cabal" ‎ (CSD G1: Patent nonsense)

Posted by: DoctorHver

QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:05pm) *

And they even got the domain name http://www.bathrobecabal.org/ to use as a redirect to this page. (Congrats on them for having sufficient cluefulness to use a .org top level domain for this organization page instead of a silly .com address.)


They're fretting about it over on wikien-l, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2008-January/089250.html

QUOTE(Kato @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:49pm) *

What on earth http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ryulong/Penguin_Cabal? Ryulong's "Penguin Cabal"?

Can someone dig up the post where Ryulong was deleting other people's user pages because they "took up disk space"? Does anyone remember that?


http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=User:Akira-otomo/UserBoxes/Penguin_Cabal.
QUOTE
04:54, 29 January 2008 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) deleted "User:Akira-otomo/UserBoxes/Penguin Cabal" ‎ (CSD G1: Patent nonsense)


Talking about none sence on Jimbo Trivia Bank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_humor

Posted by: the_undertow

QUOTE(tarantino @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:42pm) *

QUOTE(dtobias @ Mon 28th January 2008, 3:05pm) *

And they even got the domain name http://www.bathrobecabal.org/ to use as a redirect to this page. (Congrats on them for having sufficient cluefulness to use a .org top level domain for this organization page instead of a silly .com address.)


They're fretting about it over on wikien-l, http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2008-January/089250.html


shit, that doesn't even make any sense. hosting implies that wikipedia is providing the service, when bathrobecabal.org obviously hosted by a 3rd party. i've never seen this shit. but thanks for the compliment about the '.org.' i figured a super-secret, yet openly-hosted cabal was more of an organization that a commercial endeavor.

a small airline vs. a group of admins in their bathrobe...what kind of fucked up analogy is this?

laters.

Posted by: LamontStormstar

QUOTE(guy @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:31am) *

FORUM Image




Wikipedia has a lot of furries as administrators.

Posted by: Lar

QUOTE(LamontStormstar @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:13pm) *

QUOTE(guy @ Tue 29th January 2008, 11:31am) *

FORUM Image




Wikipedia has a lot of furries as administrators.

Dude you need to look more closely there smile.gif Anyone who has the hots for that particular tiger is going to have a very rough time of it. LEGO fur is about as opposite of furry as you can get smile.gif Ever step on a LEGO brick? Ouch.

We built that thing (and the big cereal box, and Snap/Crackle/Pop) for the cash, large models are actually rather boring compared to the smaller scale stuff most LEGO hobbyists build. Money from that project got the club a trailer to haul stuff around in, and enabled doing a lot of charity events we otherwise would have been passed up on for lack of funds to cover expenses. (the club gets a LOT of requests to do layouts at various charity events, not all can be honored... LEGO is very popular at events designed for families)

But that's probably more detail than you wanted. smile.gif And not very on topic.

Posted by: Moulton

Full disclosure: Lego also has a close relationship to the MIT Media Lab, where Lego Logo and the Lego Computer Brick were developed.

Posted by: the_undertow

QUOTE(Moulton @ Wed 30th January 2008, 3:52pm) *

Full disclosure: Lego also has a close relationship to the MIT Media Lab, where Lego Logo and the Lego Computer Brick were developed.


the only saving grace is that its not made of those shitty tyco blocks. obviously the builder has some serious cash reserves.

Posted by: Lar

QUOTE(the_undertow @ Wed 30th January 2008, 8:37pm) *

the only saving grace is that its not made of those shitty tyco blocks. obviously the builder has some serious cash reserves.


Not any more, they went bankrupt a year or two after they bought that statue. (it was a work for hire) And most LEGO fans consider Tyco the "best" of the clones, better than Megabloks.

Posted by: Ryulong

QUOTE(Lar @ Wed 30th January 2008, 11:16pm) *

QUOTE(the_undertow @ Wed 30th January 2008, 8:37pm) *

the only saving grace is that its not made of those shitty tyco blocks. obviously the builder has some serious cash reserves.


Not any more, they went bankrupt a year or two after they bought that statue. (it was a work for hire) And most LEGO fans consider Tyco the "best" of the clones, better than Megabloks.


MegaBloks were decent. They added a nice range of color. The only problem I ever had with them were that the thinner plate pieces were always bent out of shape.

Posted by: the_undertow

QUOTE(Ryulong @ Thu 31st January 2008, 5:21am) *

QUOTE(Lar @ Wed 30th January 2008, 11:16pm) *

QUOTE(the_undertow @ Wed 30th January 2008, 8:37pm) *

the only saving grace is that its not made of those shitty tyco blocks. obviously the builder has some serious cash reserves.


Not any more, they went bankrupt a year or two after they bought that statue. (it was a work for hire) And most LEGO fans consider Tyco the "best" of the clones, better than Megabloks.


MegaBloks were decent. They added a nice range of color. The only problem I ever had with them were that the thinner plate pieces were always bent out of shape.


there is just something about an erector set that i find much more satisfying.

Posted by: Moulton

The problem with erector sets is that it's tedious fastening everything with nuts and bolts. The best part about the erector set was the electric winch (which we drove off the transformer from the Lionel train set. But that meant we mostly built cranes.