It's open season for Malleus, Admins have their dicks out Options

[Eppur si muove]

Over at Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Indef_block_of_Malleus_Fatuorum_requires_review and assorted other places there are some cunts (to borrow Malleus's terminology) who resent the fact that some people respect productive editors who may occasionally be a bit rude more than the idiots who block them. Just goes to show that really do think Wikipedia is an MMORPG and not an exercise in creating an encyclopedia.

[Ottava]

Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

I have to say, at least Cla is constantly going after the right people to go after if you think going after people is good.



Casliber

remember the subjunctive

I think the subjunctive has gone the way of Malleus. Perhaps it needs to be constantly banned, too. However, I doubt such a thing would cause any drama.

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[Malleus]

Doc, serious question - what is your fixation on Malleus? I don't really get why you are going after him. There are actual people in power that need to be removed and the best way to do that is with such trench warfare. Why target Malleus? He has no power, isn't respected by the WMF, etc. It seems a little backwards and it kinda makes you look like a bully.

Do I feel that way about you? Nah. You know I like you regardless of what you think about me. But I also feel the same way about Malleus. I just find it odd.

Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me. But in the Christmas spirit let me say this; you and I haven't always seen eye to eye Ottava, and I've no reason to believe that we always will in the future, but I think the way you were treated by ArbCom was disgraceful. Wikipedia is certainly not a better place as a result of your extended exile. Quite the opposite really.

[Ottava]

Who cares what Doc claims to think, certainly not me.

You have a point. But I care about this.

StrawCat's additions were absolute rubbish, as are the adding of templates that question cited material. I am bothered by the guy taking a nice metaphor that Johnson didn't feel needed to be explained and then using really crappy sources to ruin it. Looking at some of the changes Sandy didn't revert, it changes quite a bit of the tone, makes the paragraphing choppy, etc. Like the removal of the "although" regarding Tory disconnects the reader from easily seeing that Tories didn't necessary think the way Johnson did on those issues.

He claims in his summary "The 'although' presupposes that Tories and Jacobites were antagonistic; this was not necessarily the case", which makes it obvious that he never read any of the source material.

Then you have things like adding a "dubious" template. The source clearly says "It must be said, to begin with, that Johnson is not, and does not wish to be, a critical ''theorist''." It is hard to be more blunt than that, but this guy, without any sources nor any background, adds a dubious template.


This is why you need to be able to edit, because I can't protect the page from such outright disruption and trolling. Dozens of my pages get that treatment, especially when people randomly change language to say the opposite of the source material or add templates claiming that the source can't possibly say what it most blatantly says. And yet, if you get banned, no one will be there to defend -that- page.

So stop your fucking whining, get unblocked during the ArbCom case, and fix that damn page instead of just leaving without any one able to do it. Because Sandy doesn't bother to listen to me and I don't sock, so you are the only one who will even bother. There are tens of thousands of page hits, but these pages take people with the actual sources and knowledge to know what is right or wrong.

ArbCom wont bother to let me, an expert, fix the pages. They claim that I only want my preferred version and they use my desire to have these pages to actually reflect the source material, not have original research, and not have plagiarism as proof I need to be banned. I have plenty of emails saying such things, and even Jclemens recently said it to me and it is sad that people bothered to let him back in. Risker and Roger Davies, two of Sandy's pets, are some of the worst when it comes to content as they actively oppose fixing pages. So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

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[Malleus]

So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.

[Ottava]

So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.

Stop being such a damn baby. It isn't about you. It is about the damn articles. Grow a pair, get the unblock, and fix the fucking pages.

Aren't you British? Whatever happened to keeping your chin up and taking it like a man. Instead, you are cowering in the shadows like a damn frog.

I can't fix that page. You bloody well can. I wish I was able to cuss like you, attack people like you, etc. My mistake was complaining about an admin unilaterally declaring that I was on probation and another pair of people passing around all of my personal information while tag teaming me for a year. You don't have those problems.

So stop the bitching and get the damn unblock and fix that damn article already before you really get me pissed off. You agreed to work on the Samuel Johnson page to begin with and ensure that such an important topic was well written. I'll be damned if I let you get away with not holding up to your promise.

[The Joy]

So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.

Stop being such a damn baby. It isn't about you. It is about the damn articles. Grow a pair, get the unblock, and fix the fucking pages.

That certainly is the pot calling the kettle black.

[Ottava]

So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.

Stop being such a damn baby. It isn't about you. It is about the damn articles. Grow a pair, get the unblock, and fix the fucking pages.

That certainly is the pot calling the kettle black.

Um, I don't think you know what that phrase means. I'm banned. Malleus isn't. He had the chance to be unblocked now. Somey, Mr. Kohs, and many others can testify that I have appealed my ban many times with no success. After all, they are BCC'd to all of my communications with ArbCom just so that there is a record (because they refuse to make anything public).

[The Joy]

So if you really want to say screw you to ArbCom, you get your unblock for right now and fix these pages while you still can.

I can't fix anything Ottava, and I'm certainly not going to be asked to be unblocked. Never have, never will.

Stop being such a damn baby. It isn't about you. It is about the damn articles. Grow a pair, get the unblock, and fix the fucking pages.

That certainly is the pot calling the kettle black.

Um, I don't think you know what that phrase means. I'm banned. Malleus isn't. He had the chance to be unblocked now. Somey, Mr. Kohs, and many others can testify that I have appealed my ban many times with no success. After all, they are BCC'd to all of my communications with ArbCom just so that there is a record (because they refuse to make anything public).

Anyone can be unblocked/unbanned. You just have to promise not to be antagonistic and argumentative and agree to severe restrictions to keep you in line until you prove you have changed your ways. You also have to stay away from anyone that you previously pissed off and never talk badly about them in public even if they libel and unnecessarily castigate you. Even Grawp could be unbanned if he showed repentance and adhered to the Wiki-Way. Greg was unblocked for a while before they clamped down on him again. You could do the same.

[Ottava]

Malleus, I am banned. You are not. You choose not to return. I have very little ability to affect change on Wikipedia and fix problems. You have a lot of ability. You are refusing to do so because of whatever personal reason.

If anything, you are insulting me and everyone else by putting your own ego above the articles of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You have a chance to make it a better encyclopedia. You have the ability to do something a lot of people here can't. Stop the games.

And true colors? What the hell does that mean? That I think you should go and fix the page? You don't ever talk to me anymore. You don't ever keep watch over pages we worked on. You don't do anything to fix the thousands of errors and problems I have pointed out. You don't even try to get me unbanned so I can fix it all myself. I tell you to go and fix it and you claim that I am suddenly showing my true colors? Really? That is rather screwed up.

Unlike you, I will always continue to say that you shouldn't be banned and try to work with people in my limited capacity to ensure that such is true. You, instead, apparently only do things out of your own self interest. Just be glad that not everyone in this world is like you. Hell, I lost a lot of support when I stuck up for Mattisse, Peter Damian, etc. and your group attacked me for doing the right thing.

Why don't you get some integrity and do what is right instead of what satisfies your own pride? Get the damn unblock, fix the damn page, and show that you can be better than the rest of them.

Anyone can be unblocked/unbanned. You just have to promise not to be antagonistic and argumentative and agree to severe restrictions to keep you in line until you prove you have changed your ways. You also have to stay away from anyone that you previously pissed off and never talk badly about them in public even if they libel and unnecessarily castigate you. Even Grawp could be unbanned if he showed repentance and adhered to the Wiki-Way. Greg was unblocked for a while before they clamped down on him again. You could do the same.

You assume that I didn't do 100% what they said to do and even more so without having them change the goal posts.

You also assume that Grawp or Greg, who were not content contributors and banned for other reasons were some how comparable. And I don't remember ArbCom unblocking either party. The community already said they wanted me unblocked twice and that is why ArbCom refuses to allow it to go to a community vote.

Hell, there were 3 proposals to unban me recently with a 50/50 split and Iridescent would have been the deciding vote. Iridescent knew about it. Had 3 months to respond to it. Was there quite a few times during that time. Even though Iridescent claimed he would unblock me and stated that to the committee before, he didn't appear and that gave a handful of Arbs the ability to say that I will never be unbanned. There is no system because it is all just nonsense.

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[RMHED]

If anything, you are insulting me and everyone else by putting your own ego above the articles of

Pity the poor articles, for who will save them now that Saint Mally has been martyred?

[Malleus]

If anything, you are insulting me and everyone else by putting your own ego above the articles of

Pity the poor articles, for who will save them now that Saint Mally has been martyred?

Someone else I guess. Or maybe nobody. Who gives a shit?

[RMHED]

If anything, you are insulting me and everyone else by putting your own ego above the articles of

Pity the poor articles, for who will save them now that Saint Mally has been martyred?

Someone else I guess. Or maybe nobody. Who gives a shit?

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

[Malleus]

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

I did. I believed in the idea and wasted a lot of time there arguing with pricks like you who haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about.

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[RMHED]

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

I did. I believed in the idea and wasted a lot of time there arguing with pricks like you who haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about.

Ah, if only you could've ferreted out all those pricks and disposed of them. Mind you that would still leave the cunts and Jimmy the cuntmeister general.

[Malleus]

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

I did. I believed in the idea and wasted a lot of time there arguing with pricks like you who haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about.

Ah, if only you could've ferreted out all those pricks and disposed of them. Mind you that would still leave the cunts and Jimmy the cuntmeister general.

You're clearly trying to suggest that you know who I am in real life, so why not come round to my house in the new year for a knuckle sandwich?

[RMHED]

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

I did. I believed in the idea and wasted a lot of time there arguing with pricks like you who haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about.

Ah, if only you could've ferreted out all those pricks and disposed of them. Mind you that would still leave the cunts and Jimmy the cuntmeister general.

You're clearly trying to suggest that you know who I am in real life, so why not come round to my house in the new year for a knuckle sandwich?

I'd prefer turkey with a dash of mayonnaise.

[Malleus]

You do Eric, you do. Please don't insult us by pretending otherwise.

I did. I believed in the idea and wasted a lot of time there arguing with pricks like you who haven't got the faintest idea what they're talking about.

Ah, if only you could've ferreted out all those pricks and disposed of them. Mind you that would still leave the cunts and Jimmy the cuntmeister general.

You're clearly trying to suggest that you know who I am in real life, so why not come round to my house in the new year for a knuckle sandwich?

I'd prefer turkey with a dash of mayonnaise.

Sorry, there's only knuckles with a taste of blood on offer.