Poetlister he/she/it?, What is this bugger on about? Options

[MaliceAforethought]

From: John Vandenberg <jayvdb@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 00:06

This is the most recent email

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Subject: In strictest confidence
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:08:46 +0000
From: Londoneye <wendy.appleby@uclmail.net>
To: Jack Merridew <wiki.jack.merridew@gmail.com>

Jack

I believe that I can trust you, because you will understand what I am
talking about.

I am Longfellow.

Are you familiar with the case of Poetlister? This was one of the
great sockpuppeting cases. I was, admittedly partly through my own
fault, charged with being one of the socks and blocked on both WP and
Commons. Quillercouch (Poetlister renamed) was an admin on WS and had
to resign, though the account was never blocked.

One of the people involved had his e-mails hacked and was identified.
Poetlister's enemies smeared him with a lot of nonsense and
half-truths, and made him an object of ridicule across the Internet.
He had to resign from his job. He very gallantly took full
responsibility for everything, even though he was scarcely acting
alone, so my name has - thankfully - never come out.

You will realise that I very firmly don't want it revealed that I am
Longfellow. The checkusers and bureaucrats all know, and that's a few
people too many already. If Poetlister's enemies were even aware of
my existence, they might try to cause me trouble; while I believe that
there is nothing they could possibly find against me, it would be
seriously annoying.

On the basis of this, you may or may not want to vote in the RfA;
that's your decision. However, I would please ask you not to mention
this e-mail to anyone, or hint that I have contacted you.

With best wishes for the festive season.

Wendy

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From: Herby <herbythyme@fmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:44

Fascinating. I confess this was a quick read and it is early but...

Is this guy still trying to make out he is a woman for a start - it was
his inability to sustain this illusion that made me realise what he was
up to last time among other issues. Londoneye was someone I kept a very
close eye on on Commons and was - I think - a declared puppet account of
PL. I don't recall the name Wendy from any emails I had though. It is
always possible that this is disinformation but the user was highly
devious and may have decided enough of the active CUs from the time are
not around much and it is worth another try. Londoneye persona told us
on Commons that they wanted to be an admin though I doubt that would
have happened. I can only echo comments on other mails - any project
should be careful about rights being granted and certainly advanced
rights which is what this user was after. Last time the fact that I was
fairly sure a sock had CU rights stopped me posting some things on list.

N

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From: Sydney Poore <sydney.poore@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 08:13

Your memory is correct. Before I made my oppose comment on WS, I reviewed our old emails from Londoneye. He was signing with the name Anna back then.
ALL Wikisource need to be alert for his attempt to elevate a pack of users to admin and higher perm. Since he is using a variety of IP we are going to watch to other little signs that it is him.

Sydney aka FloNight

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From: Sydney Poore <sydney.poore@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 08:17


(Correction)

ALL wikis need to be alert.....

Sydney


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From: Herby <herbythyme@fmail.co.uk>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 08:32


Didn't think Wendy rang a bell - although I think Amy was used at some stage, there were a variety of female persona's.

Nice to know the info retrieval system is not too impaired (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/smile.gif)

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From: Nicholas Michalowski <nmichalo@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 15:52

For those interested: I am one of the people Poetlister contacted me
at some point using wikisource's email user. Back when Kalki was
being investigated for sockpuppets at WQ.

Here is a quick description of our interaction. Poetlister randomly
asked me if I was interested in any further information about Cirt and
Kalki. I didn't notice his email until the matter was resolved. But
when I did I had asked him about past tensions between Cirt and Kalki
(he said there were none.), I also asked him to tell me about his own
story and why thekohser was happy to see Poetlister in trouble. The
first place I had ever heard of Poetlister was a blog link found at
thekohser's WQ talk page. I thought the list might find it
interesting how he described his own past behavior. So that part is
quoted below.

Effectively at this point I invited him to wikibooks. For which I
will probably justly receive some guff. More exactly what I said was
that thekohser's case made it clear that WB's community consensus was
not to look at other WMF wiki's (or elsewhere) when determining
blocks, and he was still in good standing at WB as far as I knew. He
then told me which book he planed to edit and which username he
planned to use, and mentioned a couple links I never got around to
looking at until his name popped up on this list again this week. It
seemed a bit much to copy all the back and forth emails, but if people
really curious I could share.

--thenub314

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From: "Poetlister ." <poetlister@gmail.com>
To: Thenub314 <nmichalo@math.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:44:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Wikisource e-mail
From poetlister@gmail.com Fri Nov 26 12:44:52 2010

I see that you are a fellow mathematician. :-)

[Edit - removed opinions about Cirt and Kalki not relevant to this
conversation.]


My own history is very
complex, so apologies for the length of what
follows. I was one of a group of editors who were in contact with
each
other and one or two of them may have used each other's accounts. I
managed
to annoy SlimVirgin. She asked Kelly Martin to checkuser me. This
led to
us being blocked. There was a howl of protest from people who said we
were
all good editors, and we were unblocked. (Later, Kelly said that her
initial view was that her checkuser did not justify the block and she
had
been bullied into saying that it did.)

We made a very stupid mistake: some of us used photos on our user
pages that
were not us. This was to have major consequences.

I became an admin on WQ. I also became active on Wikipedia Review and
was
made a staff (roughly, bureaucrat and checkuser). This was a stupid
move;
as the only admin in the history of the Review with an identified
unblocked
WP account, I was the main target for the anti-Review people on WP,
even
though I was generally acknowledged as a moderating influence on the
Review. I was blocked again. For the second time, there was a howl
of
protest.

On the Review, Greg Kohs was angry that there had twice been all these
protests against my blocks but not against his block. Further, there
were
many grumbles at the way he was using the Review to push his
commercial
website and he wrongly held me responsible for this. I never wanted
any
animosity, but he has a very long memory for every slight or perceived
slight. Meanwhile, I had become a bureaucrat on WQ and was in the
middle of
a RfA on WS. The powers that be on WP capitulated and unblocked me.
Greg
was the only prominent member of the Review not to congratulate me.
He
repeatedly argued that I should not have pressed for an unblock, still
less
edited WP after the unblock. He even criticised my article on Paul
Cohn, a
labour of love to my favourite lecturer.

At this point, certain e-mail accounts were hacked. I don't know who
did
it, though I'm told that there is evidence that it was User:Antidote,
who
had been exposed as a sockpuppet master by User:Runcorn. Information
from
this hacking reached Proabivouac and FT2. They used this to identify
Runcorn, a senior British civil servant with his own article on WP.
They
pretended to have proof that several accounts, including me, were the
same
person. FT2 approached Runcorn's employers and made a fuss. Runcorn
felt
obliged to resign. He very nobly agreed to pretend that he was indeed
all
of these accounts, though in fact his only other account was Cato, a
checkuser on WQ. FT2 got a blogger called Cade Metz to post an
article
about this, which would be screamingly funny if it didn;t have such
serious
consequences for Runcorn. The article on Runcorn was speedy deleted,
and
attempts were made to delete the one on his brother, though that was
defeated at AfD. I had to leave WP, WQ, WS and the Review, though I
still
follow events closely.

Sorry for the length, but you did ask!

[Milton Roe]

Okay, folks, count the lies in this Poetlister letter from above. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)


From: "Poetlister ." <poetlister@gmail.com>
To: Thenub314 <nmichalo@math.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 18:44:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Wikisource e-mail
From poetlister@gmail.com Fri Nov 26 12:44:52 2010

I see that you are a fellow mathematician. :-)

[Edit - removed opinions about Cirt and Kalki not relevant to this
conversation.]


My own history is very complex, so apologies for the length of what
follows. I was one of a group of editors who were in contact with
each other and one or two of them may have used each other's accounts. I
managed to annoy SlimVirgin. She asked Kelly Martin to checkuser me. This
led to us being blocked. There was a howl of protest from people who said we
were all good editors, and we were unblocked. (Later, Kelly said that her
initial view was that her checkuser did not justify the block and she
had been bullied into saying that it did.)

We made a very stupid mistake: some of us used photos on our user
pages that were not us. This was to have major consequences.

I became an admin on WQ. I also became active on Wikipedia Review and
was made a staff (roughly, bureaucrat and checkuser). This was a stupid
move; as the only admin in the history of the Review with an identified
unblocked WP account, I was the main target for the anti-Review people on WP,
even though I was generally acknowledged as a moderating influence on the
Review. I was blocked again. For the second time, there was a howl
of protest.

On the Review, Greg Kohs was angry that there had twice been all these
protests against my blocks but not against his block. Further, there
were many grumbles at the way he was using the Review to push his
commercial website and he wrongly held me responsible for this. I never wanted
any animosity, but he has a very long memory for every slight or perceived
slight. Meanwhile, I had become a bureaucrat on WQ and was in the
middle of a RfA on WS. The powers that be on WP capitulated and unblocked me.
Greg was the only prominent member of the Review not to congratulate me.
He repeatedly argued that I should not have pressed for an unblock, still
less edited WP after the unblock. He even criticised my article on Paul
Cohn, a labour of love to my favourite lecturer.

At this point, certain e-mail accounts were hacked. I don't know who
did it, though I'm told that there is evidence that it was User:Antidote,
who had been exposed as a sockpuppet master by User:Runcorn. Information
from this hacking reached Proabivouac and FT2. They used this to identify
Runcorn, a senior British civil servant with his own article on WP.
They pretended to have proof that several accounts, including me, were the
same person. FT2 approached Runcorn's employers and made a fuss. Runcorn
felt obliged to resign. He very nobly agreed to pretend that he was indeed
all of these accounts, though in fact his only other account was Cato, a
checkuser on WQ. FT2 got a blogger called Cade Metz to post an
article about this, which would be screamingly funny if it didn;t have such
serious consequences for Runcorn. The article on Runcorn was speedy deleted,
and attempts were made to delete the one on his brother, though that was
defeated at AfD. I had to leave WP, WQ, WS and the Review, though I
still follow events closely.

Sorry for the length, but you did ask!

[Poetlister]
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Comment from Milton:

The last paragraph is very precious. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif)

Shoiuld this be put it in the Poetlister file, as a denial appendix?

At this time, "Londoneye" is pretending by mail to be "wendy.appleby@uclmail.net." And Poetlister is referring to "the senior civil servant" who is Runcorn, in the third person. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/sick.gif) All of this is only 6 months ago.

[powercorrupts]

MB (I strongly suspect) has been emailing a bunch of people on WR as Wendy Appleby via thegibbon and Gruntled at least. He's got a few other obvious socks here too. In total he's probably got stacks of accounts here, and who knows on Wikipedia - he's certainly capable of getting another admin account. As I said here a few days ago (on this Cirt page), he still seems to have some semi-admirers. I've been in two minds about ringing UCL just in case the appleby is a nicked email - although I can't believe he's quite that stupid. He really pissed me off a few weeks ago when he sent me a picture of a young woman to try again to prove who he was. The guy's primarily a pervert if you ask me - a female impersonator and control freak. There was nothing to gain in the lengths he went to emailing me other than impersonation/power-related kicks, primarily because he knew Kohs was winding me up at the time. He clearly hates that guy, though I don't know the actual reasons why.

[Herschelkrustofsky]

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From: Londoneye <wendy.appleby@uclmail.net> PoetThing
To: Jack Merridew <wiki.jack.merridew@gmail.com>

...Poetlister's enemies smeared him with a lot of nonsense and
half-truths, and made him an object of ridicule across the Internet.
He had to resign from his job. He very gallantly took full
responsibility for everything, even though he was scarcely acting
alone, so my name has - thankfully - never come out.

This is a classic Poetlisterism. He would often have one of his socks write tear-jerking tributes to the courage and selflessness of one of his other socks.

[Somey]

...has been emailing a bunch of people on WR as Wendy Appleby via thegibbon and Gruntled at least. He's got a few other obvious socks here too.

Obvious and active, or are you including obvious and inactive? I agree that "thegibbon" was probably him, but that account only posted 7 times and hasn't posted in over a year. Though now I see he's been logging in with that one, apparently... I guess if people are getting annoying PM's from him, that would be a good reason to suspend it.

I mean, to some extent there's value in keeping "communications channels" open, but only if he isn't going to needlessly annoy people. And of course, it's annoying to have one's intelligence insulted.

I've been in two minds about ringing UCL just in case the appleby is a nicked email - although I can't believe he's quite that stupid.

I suspect he might do it if he thought he could get away with it. A lot of people stop using their "campus" e-mail addresses after they graduate, assuming they ever used them at all, and forget all about them - and passwords can often be very easy to guess, if the person doesn't think that could happen to him/her.

...he knew Kohs was winding me up at the time. He clearly hates that guy, though I don't know the actual reasons why.

Yeah, how did that get started, anyway? You'd think I'd remember that, but other than his taking exception to a remark Mr. Kohs made about how "Poetlister" should quit Wikipedia-related activities altogether because it was a waste of time and a constant source of needless personal abuse, I can't think of anything. The sad thing is that GK meant that particular remark out of sincere concern for "Poetllister's" general well-being, still thinking (at the time) that he was probably a she, and of course the reaction was far more male-like than female-like - again proving that he wasn't as clever as he believed he was.

[thekohser]

Yeah, how did that get started, anyway? You'd think I'd remember that, but other than his taking exception to a remark Mr. Kohs made about how "Poetlister" should quit Wikipedia-related activities altogether because it was a waste of time and a constant source of needless personal abuse, I can't think of anything. The sad thing is that GK meant that particular remark out of sincere concern for "Poetllister's" general well-being, still thinking (at the time) that he was probably a she, and of course the reaction was far more male-like than female-like - again proving that he wasn't as clever as he believed he was.

MB making me an enemy of his team of socks was lacking in any rationale. It was a bad move, frankly, in his game of charades.

[The Joy]

In an e-mail to me, he claims that he has no socks on WR. He also wanted me to give this message:

There are a couple of things I'd like said on WR, if you'd be so kind please. Alison is busy denying anything to do with my last ban, but she worked actively with Timothy Usher to "out" me via the PoetGuy article on ED until the other ED admins slapped her down. Don't let her pretend that she wasn't worse than other ED admins. And don't let her pretend that she was motivated by sympathy for "real Poetlister". She refused to remove [G.H., (redacted)]'s photo and a link to her place of work from Talk:PoetGuy. (Michael Suarez eventually did that.)

And if Tarantino isn't Timothy Usher, they're totally hand in glove. Minor4th asked Tarantino if he was Timothy Usher, and he just laughed. He needs to be asked "Are you Timothy Usher, and if you aren't him, are you meatpuppeting by posting his comments?"

[Milton Roe]

...he knew Kohs was winding me up at the time. He clearly hates that guy, though I don't know the actual reasons why.

Yeah, how did that get started, anyway? You'd think I'd remember that, but other than his taking exception to a remark Mr. Kohs made about how "Poetlister" should quit Wikipedia-related activities altogether because it was a waste of time and a constant source of needless personal abuse, I can't think of anything. The sad thing is that GK meant that particular remark out of sincere concern for "Poetllister's" general well-being, still thinking (at the time) that he was probably a she, and of course the reaction was far more male-like than female-like - again proving that he wasn't as clever as he believed he was.

Meanwhile, I had become a bureaucrat on WQ and was in the middle of a RfA on WS. The powers that be on WP capitulated and unblocked me. Greg was the only prominent member of the Review not to congratulate me. He repeatedly argued that I should not have pressed for an unblock, still less edited WP after the unblock. He even criticised my article on Paul
Cohn, a labour of love to my favourite lecturer.

Greg didn't CONGATULATE Poetlister on his unblock! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/huh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/ohmy.gif) How horrid.


Actually, what happened was that in August 2008, WR had become polarized over whether Poetlister was being abused on WP, and whether or not Yehudi was somehow in cahoots with her. John A and a number of other editors began to feel that there was a certain cabal on WR. Greg got crap from a number of people defending a number of (what we now know as) Baxter socks.

One should read this August thread. In this message:

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=123693

Greg said: The situations are so different, and your inability to thoughtfully consider this fact, leads me to give up on trying to explain it to you, Yehudi/Taxwoman/Poetlister/Guy

A lot of people, including Somey and others, had been laughing at, or hating on, JohnA and Greg for being so paranoid as to make connections between ANY of these people.

Okay, flash forward a week to Sept 1, Der Tag: suddenly everybody notices Guy is gone and has taken all his messages with him. Very odd. A week after THAT, in early September, Poetgate begins and it's suddenly clear WHERE Guy went, and WHY his messages were gone. We've been royally screwed and Greg was totally correct.

Reading this thread from August, it becomes clear that Greg is the ONLY person to be making these connections on this board at the time, although Proabivouac immediately chimes in and confirms. He had started the thing a couple of weeks earlier, with suggestions that Yehudi and Poetlister were somehow connected. But at the time, he had no hard info. Greg Kohs simply realizes before anybody else, that not only is Proab right, but it's even worse than he imagines.

Read this thread in hindsight. It should make some people humble and it should totally clarify why Baxter hates Kohs right behind Usher.

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=119164

Enjoy.

[Somey]

There are a couple of things I'd like said on WR, if you'd be so kind please....

This is the sort of thing I mean, actually. Why make a point of repeating this stuff? Everyone who's interested has already made up their minds, and the last thing he should want is more people getting interested, especially now. But every e-mail and PM and post-from-an-alternate-account just increases the chances that someone is going to "look further into it," thinking they're going to "get to the bottom of it." It only makes sense if we assume that he's only doing it for the attention, but if that's true, then he should be doing this stuff on Wikipedia, not here on WR. (That's not to say he isn't doing it on Wikipedia, just that he really should leave us alone unless he's got something new and exciting, and presumably also exculpatory.)

[Alison]

There are a couple of things I'd like said on WR, if you'd be so kind please. Alison is busy denying anything to do with my last ban, but she worked actively with Timothy Usher to "out" me via the PoetGuy article on ED until the other ED admins slapped her down. Don't let her pretend that she wasn't worse than other ED admins. And don't let her pretend that she was motivated by sympathy for "real Poetlister". She refused to remove [redacted - G.H's] photo and a link to her place of work from Talk:PoetGuy. (Michael Suarez eventually did that.)

What a load! (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif) Myself and Suarez were in contact during that time and I agreed to it. Which is also why I thanked him on his talk page after it was removed. He's on here, so he can speak for himself. I also worked directly with G.H., your ex-colleague, to clean up the shit you dished out in her name. Needless to say, she was upset and annoyed, to say the least. Some people on here already know the details and frankly, this mewling 'poetlister-as-victim' is making me ill.

I also personally deleted from commons, those images that you claimed were of you;

(show/hide) 17:03, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:Poetlister2.jpg" ‎ (Out of project scope: Likely copyright issues) (view/restore) (global usage; delinker log)
(show/hide) 17:02, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:Londoneye user.jpg" ‎ (Out of project scope: Dubious circumstances behind source of original image. The uploader is not at fault here, but there is strong evidence to indicate that the subject/owner has not consented to its use here.) (view/restore) (global usage; delinker log)
(show/hide) 17:02, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:Poetlister.JPG" ‎ (Out of project scope: Likely copyright issues) (view/restore) (global usage; delinker log)
(show/hide) 17:02, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:RachelBrown.jpg" ‎ (Out of project scope: Dubious circumstances behind source of original image. The uploader is not at fault here, but there is strong evidence to indicate that the subject/owner has not consented to its use here.) (view/restore) (global usage; delinker log)
(show/hide) 16:05, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "Commons:Deletion requests/Category:Taxwoman" ‎ (Empty category or gallery: Deletion requested) (view/restore)
(show/hide) 14:33, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "Category:Taxwoman" ‎ (Empty category or gallery) (view/restore)
(show/hide) 14:32, 5 September 2008 Alison (talk | contribs | block) deleted "File:Taxwoman.jpg" ‎ (Copyright violation: Dubious circumstances behind source of original image. The uploader is not at fault here, but there is strong evidence to indicate that the subject/owner has not consented to its use here.) (view/restore) (global usage; delinker log)

You've been repeatedly on (the old) ED, spilling dirt on other people. I know this, tho' you'll deny it. Let's not forget Latexwiki, etc, etc. And on it goes. Every word that spills out of your mouth is laced with pure lie (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/tongue.gif) And remember - it wasn't me that posted the pictures of those women all over the internet - it was you (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/angry.gif)

[Alison]

And another thing; can we please remove references to the RL name of one of PoetGuy's victims above, please? It's not fair to have her name associated with all this, esp. given that PoetGuy misappropriated it in the first place, and she was totally innocent in all this?

[The Joy]

And another thing; can we please remove references to the RL name of one of PoetGuy's victims above, please? It's not fair to have her name associated with all this, esp. given that PoetGuy misappropriated it in the first place, and she was totally innocent in all this?

Redacted on my post.

[Jack Merridew]

The email at the top is what I got, and flipped. PoetGuy seems to have missed that my en:unban was delayed by several months because the whole Sept+/-'08 investigation was ongoing/about to land. The "water was hot", and not suitable for an unban while a prior unban was blowing-up in their faces. And reading that thread, I found:
http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title...30&oldid=765419
where I also gave the Ottava-psycho credit for Horace (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/wink.gif)

[SB_Johnny]

Apparently "Poetlister" is now globally locked, though I have no idea where one would find the discussion on that.

He's asking to have his account detached on WV. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

[Milton Roe]

Apparently "Poetlister" is now globally locked, though I have no idea where one would find the discussion on that.

He's asking to have his account detached on WV. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/laugh.gif)

Where is mike.lifeguard when you really NEED the *^%$#?

[Milton Roe]

Methinks the "leaked" arbs were feeding their CU's in 2008 some IPs that they got off WR:

In particular see this message from Sept. 10, 2008

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&sh...ndpost&p=128858

Anyway, Londoneye isn't just some chick named Wendy, who got "caught up in" MB's editing of lists of British Jews. Londoneye is the user who added MB's dead brother to List of British Jews 19 Dec. 2005. Then, two days later, after SlimVirgin deleted him, saying there was no evidence he was Jewish, user:Londoneye RE-ADDED him. Which provoked Slim's wrath, which was one of the things that ended up nailing part of the MB sockfarm.

So-- MB has never met this woman who is bent on memorializing his own dead brother? ORLY?

You could say that Londoneye just got caught up in Jewish topics, but it goes into MB's private life, also. Ilford County High School, where MB and his dead brother went to school, has been edited by MB socks Poetlister, Rachel Brown, Runcorn, AND Londoneye. (IMG:smilys0b23ax56/default/blink.gif) And also by MB sockfarm IPs IP:81.134.14.236 and IP:84.9.13.191. The last two are interested in the Totteridge article, which is about a small former suburb of London where MB lives. As also are Poetlister (as Quillercouch), RachelBrown, Runcorn and Londoneye. An even smaller article on the Totteridge and Whetstone tube station is interesting for having been edited by Quillercouch/Poetlister, Runcorn, RachelBrown AND Londoneye. The rest of that article about that small tubestation (often edited within hours of RachelBrown) is added by an IP address IP:204.155.226.22 which gave us all some puzzlement. We very strongly suspected this IP was PoetLister/Quillercouch because it made an edit within 4 minutes of a Poetlister edit, to a gay rights legal article that hadn't been touched for 5 months (and wouldn't be edited for 5 months more), and it was interested in Totteridge. Yet it belongs to the lawfirm Dechert LLP, yet MB work(ed) at the Dept of Health (one of the other IPs). But we found out today, from the ArbCom leaks, that Dechert LLP is where MB's wife works (or worked then). So now that fits.

So that's the skinny. This sweet little Wendy/Londoneye has supposedly never met MB, but memorializes his dead brother in a list of Jews, edits on the the high school of MB and his deceased brother, edits on the London suburb where they live, AND the article on the tube station they use to get there. And the last is rarely edited except by MB socks, including IP edits from the workplace of MB AND the (different) workplace of his wife.

Cute little Wendy, not a family friend, has been stalking their articles, stocking their old schools, their suburb, AND the little tube station article which they edit from two workplaces, and their dead relative. Riiiiiiight.

Look, the Wendy/Londoneye that emerges from THAT fantasy, is creepier even than MB! Anybody reading this is invited to use their brain to guess whether or not this story holds water.

Poor MB. The internet never forgets. A shame WR keeps all this crap in the tarpit, since MB himself refuses to stay submerged, and keeps coming up into the real world in a sort of Lovecraftian way. Or like some fossil from the La Brea tarpits here in Los Angeles. And every time it happens, we need to clean off some more goop from our own tarpitted stuff, and sling it up here again.

Milton Roe (Curator of the Paged Museum)

[Abd]

Okay, about Poetlister's global lock, I asked.

Matana responded with this:

hello, the discussion is here Requests for comment/Poetlister and Cato. You may also see theose local blocks on those accounts. best Matanya 22:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

So, I've now asked the obvious question, from that discussion.

Should I be ducking?

[Zoloft]

Okay, about Poetlister's global lock, I asked.

Matana responded with this:

hello, the discussion is here Requests for comment/Poetlister and Cato. You may also see theose local blocks on those accounts. best Matanya 22:24, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

So, I've now asked the obvious question, from that discussion.

Should I be ducking?

Poetlister is a con man. He's obsessed with controlling people from his keyboard. I'd roll away from him, or if I was an admin on WV, ban him and every one of his socks there. Trust me, there will be socks.

[EricBarbour]

Should I be ducking?

Poetlister is a con man. He's obsessed with controlling people from his keyboard. I'd roll away from him, or if I was an admin on WV, ban him and every one of his socks there. Trust me, there will be socks.

Yes, Abd, you have got to realize what a crazy person PL is. He is completely toxic, and you absolutely cannot trust him.
Do not believe anything he says, or that anyone else says in his support. He is a remarkably adept user of sock accounts--more so than anyone else I've seen lately.

[Ottava]

I hope people realize why things regarding Poetlister on Wikisource, Wikiversity, etc, was so troubling for many of those with first hand experience with him.